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ZigguratOfUr
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On January 14 2016 06:39 dismiss wrote: That's like saying, oh the policemen who beat up some guys paid for their hospital stay afterwards. Great false analogy. Either way recognizing that they were wrong and reinstating those judges is a positive thing. | ||
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TheYango
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On January 14 2016 05:36 RoieTRS wrote: WotC had a great opportunity to change their policy on proxies and actively chose not to change it. I'm glad people are angry about it. This is what should happen all the time when your game caters toward collectors at the expense of players. Unfortunately, Mr. Rosewater and the marketing team are experts at exploitsmanship and dodged drama like gods. Could have used a controversy like this 10 years ago though. IDK how MaRo gets scapegoated here. He's a designer and has literally no input in whatever decision making process led to this. You could blame him for bad set design but how does his name even come up in anything not related to his role of designing Magic cards? Does he even decide what gets reprinted? As far as I'm aware Design just makes mechanics and cards and fleshes out set themes. Actual card/set balance is up to Development, not Design. | ||
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NewSunshine
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On January 14 2016 10:02 TheYango wrote: IDK how MaRo gets scapegoated here. He's a designer and has literally no input in whatever decision making process led to this. You could blame him for bad set design but how does his name even come up in anything not related to his role of designing Magic cards? Does he even decide what gets reprinted? As far as I'm aware Design just makes mechanics and cards and fleshes out set themes. Actual card/set balance is up to Development, not Design. You have to realize, for him knowing what you're talking about is secondary to the main goal of being shitty about Magic's business model. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
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On January 14 2016 11:47 zeratul_jf wrote: Can someone explain to me what happened? I missed the MTG drama apperently They decided to be stricter about fakes. They believe that the quality of the fake should not define whether someone should be punished or not. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On January 14 2016 10:02 TheYango wrote: IDK how MaRo gets scapegoated here. He's a designer and has literally no input in whatever decision making process led to this. You could blame him for bad set design but how does his name even come up in anything not related to his role of designing Magic cards? Does he even decide what gets reprinted? As far as I'm aware Design just makes mechanics and cards and fleshes out set themes. Actual card/set balance is up to Development, not Design. From what MaRo has said on his blog, Design has a decent amount of influence on reprints, initiating many of the reprints for example. However it's ultimately up to development. Also MaRo seems to get blamed by players for everything that has to do with design, most things that have to do with development and on occasion things to do with legal, marketing, business, Magic Duels, MTGO... It comes from being so incredibly public. I can't think of any designers in any games that interact that much with the community. He does a really good job at being a lightning rod for Wizards imo. | ||
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LennX
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On January 14 2016 11:50 TheYango wrote: The new one is WotC going after LGSs for running casual unsanctioned proxy tournaments (e.g. 5 proxy Vintage). rofl so when will kitchen table magic be next? so LGS should only have standard,limited and modern from now? and maybe only standard/limited once the suppot for modern dies | ||
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WindWolf
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On January 14 2016 10:02 TheYango wrote: IDK how MaRo gets scapegoated here. He's a designer and has literally no input in whatever decision making process led to this. You could blame him for bad set design but how does his name even come up in anything not related to his role of designing Magic cards? Does he even decide what gets reprinted? As far as I'm aware Design just makes mechanics and cards and fleshes out set themes. Actual card/set balance is up to Development, not Design. MaRo is a very public figure for Magic. I know that he might not have a say in what has happened, but he is just a public face for Magic | ||
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Gorsameth
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On January 14 2016 15:09 LennX wrote: rofl so when will kitchen table magic be next? so LGS should only have standard,limited and modern from now? and maybe only standard/limited once the suppot for modern dies you are not allowed to use any proxy what so ever, even just a Forest with Plain written on it in marker, in a sanctioned store regardless of whether you are playing in a sanctioned event or just a casual game on a Thursday afternoon between friends. A store can still run Vintage and Legacy all it wants but they all have to be the actual cards (meaning decks are $$) A 'little' bit heavy handed of an approach. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2016 20:10 Gorsameth wrote: you are not allowed to use any proxy what so ever, even just a Forest with Plain written on it in marker, in a sanctioned store regardless of whether you are playing in a sanctioned event or just a casual game on a Thursday afternoon between friends. WotC clarified that the latter case is fine. It's just the store can't be directly involved in the event. However, stores are NOT required to police casual play by players. If players wish to play amongst one another in a tournament-like manner at the store, so long as the store has zero involvement (including no use of Event Reporter), this is not a violation. This seems ridiculously easy to loophole though, and makes it really unclear where the line is drawn. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On January 14 2016 20:17 TheYango wrote: WotC clarified that the latter case is fine. It's just the store can't be directly involved in the event. This seems ridiculously easy to loophole though, and makes it really unclear where the line is drawn. Rofl so yeah now its meaningless again. "Johnny the totally not store employee is holding a personally organized tournament with his own price support that is totally not provided by the store" guess Wizards already backed out of their ruling:p | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 14 2016 20:10 Gorsameth wrote: you are not allowed to use any proxy what so ever, even just a Forest with Plain written on it in marker, in a sanctioned store regardless of whether you are playing in a sanctioned event or just a casual game on a Thursday afternoon between friends. A store can still run Vintage and Legacy all it wants but they all have to be the actual cards (meaning decks are $$) A 'little' bit heavy handed of an approach. You are allowed to use proxies, the statement is that they don't support stores who have any kind of REL tournament that allows proxies. Marking your card (say with an artist's signature) is still allowed. The only thing this changes is that stores can't advertise proxy tournaments. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
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On January 14 2016 20:17 TheYango wrote: WotC clarified that the latter case is fine. It's just the store can't be directly involved in the event. This seems ridiculously easy to loophole though, and makes it really unclear where the line is drawn. The line is drawn In public advertising mainly. Like on the stores FB page, or their online calendar. Wizards does not want a store telling the world to use "fakes/proxies" and so they strongarm in the only way they are allowed to--the prize support they give stores who agree to host their official tournaments. | ||
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deth2munkies
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On January 14 2016 20:22 Gorsameth wrote: Rofl so yeah now its meaningless again. "Johnny the totally not store employee is holding a personally organized tournament with his own price support that is totally not provided by the store" guess Wizards already backed out of their ruling:p No, it just can't be a sanctioned DCI event. If they want to run a tournament and NOT report the results or use the Wizards bracket software and such, then they're free to allow proxies. You just can't use them in sanctioned tournaments. I really don't understand the backlash at all. That's like saying if you want to compete in an official, Blizzard sanctioned online SC2 tournament you have to have a non-pirated copy of the game. | ||
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