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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 03:46:54
November 19 2015 03:45 GMT
#12581
Because you don't get all those "common" nonbasics in Limited?

And seeing as their interactions with anything prior to this set would be totally unchanged, this would just be an update to oracle text, not an errata. Changing {1} to <> doesn't break any existing interactions, it only creates new ones with the new set.
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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
November 19 2015 03:51 GMT
#12582
Wastes are basic lands which also deal with other interactions like Evolving Wilds. It also reinforces the theme of colourlessness for the set and gives colourless commanders basics to use.

And it's not the first time they've changed this either, so there's already a precedent.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40&type=card
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383101&type=card
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
MoxSapphire
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Denmark7 Posts
November 19 2015 07:34 GMT
#12583
Yup - Besides that, I hope they are real. It's a very fresh direction, and might make limited even better than it is now.
Better lucky than good
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 09:36:47
November 19 2015 09:20 GMT
#12584
On November 19 2015 12:51 Draconicfire wrote:
Wastes are basic lands which also deal with other interactions like Evolving Wilds. It also reinforces the theme of colourlessness for the set and gives colourless commanders basics to use.

And it's not the first time they've changed this either, so there's already a precedent.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40&type=card
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383101&type=card

so barry's land finally made it to print?
I'll believe it when I see it.

EDIT: Well, I'll go eat my hat, the red text says the cards are real www.mtgsalvation.com
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 20:07:33
November 19 2015 20:04 GMT
#12585
On November 19 2015 12:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 10:07 Draconicfire wrote:
They can turn all the colourless mana generators into <> going forward and only use <> in the casting cost for very, very specific cases. It makes sense for Eldrazi since they are colourless incarnate but I can also see them using them for powerful artifacts. You wouldn't even need to print too much Wastes either since a lot of non-basics and creatures produce colourless. But if they print too many cards that require it, that could be bad.

So they're going to errata 20 years worth of cards? What's even the point of wastes then if pretty much every other common nonbasic that produces colourless has some other effect?


This is a fairly small errata actually since it involves no functionality change, and is much smaller in number than changing "enters play" to "enters the battlefield". And the value of wastes is that they are basics and aren't hosed by stuff like "Back to Basics" or "Wave of Vitriol".

On November 19 2015 18:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 12:51 Draconicfire wrote:
Wastes are basic lands which also deal with other interactions like Evolving Wilds. It also reinforces the theme of colourlessness for the set and gives colourless commanders basics to use.

And it's not the first time they've changed this either, so there's already a precedent.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40&type=card
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383101&type=card

so barry's land finally made it to print?
I'll believe it when I see it.

EDIT: Well, I'll go eat my hat, the red text says the cards are real www.mtgsalvation.com


It's not quite Barry's Land since it doesn't enable domain.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 20 2015 00:21 GMT
#12586
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
November 20 2015 00:29 GMT
#12587
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 00:46:33
November 20 2015 00:45 GMT
#12588
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 01:15:33
November 20 2015 01:08 GMT
#12589
That would be unplayably expensive, though. Locking out of colors entirely means it SHOULD cost more than blood moon, but I think if they want it to see play they'd put it at 4 (which they won't, because playable cards of that nature would be incredibly powerful). What deck benefits from using an entire turn past turn 5 locking away opponent lands? It's just interrupting the ramping for decks that want to turbo out ula/kozi

Edit: I have no idea what I'm trying to say with this post.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 20 2015 01:35 GMT
#12590
On November 20 2015 09:45 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.


C for colorless.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 20 2015 14:33 GMT
#12591
On November 20 2015 10:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 09:45 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.


C for colorless.


Ah, but <> is colorless now. Welcome your new <> overlords.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 20 2015 21:25 GMT
#12592
On November 20 2015 23:33 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 10:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:45 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.


C for colorless.


Ah, but <> is colorless now. Welcome your new <> overlords.


I'm sure people at Wizards and gatherer will shorthand colorless to {c} much like everyone shorthands the mana cost of bloom moon to 2r instead of copying the red mana icon all the time.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
November 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#12593
I always assumed cc => casting cost

so 5cc would 5 casting cost
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-22 05:02:36
November 22 2015 05:02 GMT
#12594
NVM.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
November 22 2015 06:25 GMT
#12595
I started streaming MTGO because leagues make it very much watchable now. I play Standard & Modern...sometimes draft. http://www.twitch.tv/wholegrn
MoxSapphire
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Denmark7 Posts
November 23 2015 09:25 GMT
#12596
Neat - followed you. Well done at PTBFZ - I ended up 80th :/ I was thinking of streaming some standard leagues with Eureka-rally as well, but haven't really been able to get OBS to work well on Win10.
Better lucky than good
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 24 2015 00:56 GMT
#12597
i did it

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the courage to be a lazy bum
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
November 24 2015 06:48 GMT
#12598
grats! what are your plans with it?
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 24 2015 07:08 GMT
#12599
On November 24 2015 09:56 ZoW wrote:
i did it

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[image loading]


Yooooo grats bud!
Forever Young
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 24 2015 07:31 GMT
#12600
On November 24 2015 15:48 Whole wrote:
grats! what are your plans with it?

probably going towards legacy staples i need.

+ Show Spoiler +
after i get it back from wizards since it came with edge damage on the back zz
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