• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:04
CET 23:04
KST 07:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1718 users

Magic: The Gathering - Page 630

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 628 629 630 631 632 665 Next
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 03:46:54
November 19 2015 03:45 GMT
#12581
Because you don't get all those "common" nonbasics in Limited?

And seeing as their interactions with anything prior to this set would be totally unchanged, this would just be an update to oracle text, not an errata. Changing {1} to <> doesn't break any existing interactions, it only creates new ones with the new set.
Moderator
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
November 19 2015 03:51 GMT
#12582
Wastes are basic lands which also deal with other interactions like Evolving Wilds. It also reinforces the theme of colourlessness for the set and gives colourless commanders basics to use.

And it's not the first time they've changed this either, so there's already a precedent.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40&type=card
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383101&type=card
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
MoxSapphire
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Denmark7 Posts
November 19 2015 07:34 GMT
#12583
Yup - Besides that, I hope they are real. It's a very fresh direction, and might make limited even better than it is now.
Better lucky than good
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 09:36:47
November 19 2015 09:20 GMT
#12584
On November 19 2015 12:51 Draconicfire wrote:
Wastes are basic lands which also deal with other interactions like Evolving Wilds. It also reinforces the theme of colourlessness for the set and gives colourless commanders basics to use.

And it's not the first time they've changed this either, so there's already a precedent.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40&type=card
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383101&type=card

so barry's land finally made it to print?
I'll believe it when I see it.

EDIT: Well, I'll go eat my hat, the red text says the cards are real www.mtgsalvation.com
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 20:07:33
November 19 2015 20:04 GMT
#12585
On November 19 2015 12:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 10:07 Draconicfire wrote:
They can turn all the colourless mana generators into <> going forward and only use <> in the casting cost for very, very specific cases. It makes sense for Eldrazi since they are colourless incarnate but I can also see them using them for powerful artifacts. You wouldn't even need to print too much Wastes either since a lot of non-basics and creatures produce colourless. But if they print too many cards that require it, that could be bad.

So they're going to errata 20 years worth of cards? What's even the point of wastes then if pretty much every other common nonbasic that produces colourless has some other effect?


This is a fairly small errata actually since it involves no functionality change, and is much smaller in number than changing "enters play" to "enters the battlefield". And the value of wastes is that they are basics and aren't hosed by stuff like "Back to Basics" or "Wave of Vitriol".

On November 19 2015 18:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 12:51 Draconicfire wrote:
Wastes are basic lands which also deal with other interactions like Evolving Wilds. It also reinforces the theme of colourlessness for the set and gives colourless commanders basics to use.

And it's not the first time they've changed this either, so there's already a precedent.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40&type=card
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383101&type=card

so barry's land finally made it to print?
I'll believe it when I see it.

EDIT: Well, I'll go eat my hat, the red text says the cards are real www.mtgsalvation.com


It's not quite Barry's Land since it doesn't enable domain.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 20 2015 00:21 GMT
#12586
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
November 20 2015 00:29 GMT
#12587
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 00:46:33
November 20 2015 00:45 GMT
#12588
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 01:15:33
November 20 2015 01:08 GMT
#12589
That would be unplayably expensive, though. Locking out of colors entirely means it SHOULD cost more than blood moon, but I think if they want it to see play they'd put it at 4 (which they won't, because playable cards of that nature would be incredibly powerful). What deck benefits from using an entire turn past turn 5 locking away opponent lands? It's just interrupting the ramping for decks that want to turbo out ula/kozi

Edit: I have no idea what I'm trying to say with this post.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 20 2015 01:35 GMT
#12590
On November 20 2015 09:45 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.


C for colorless.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 20 2015 14:33 GMT
#12591
On November 20 2015 10:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 09:45 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.


C for colorless.


Ah, but <> is colorless now. Welcome your new <> overlords.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 20 2015 21:25 GMT
#12592
On November 20 2015 23:33 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 10:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:45 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:29 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On November 20 2015 09:21 deth2munkies wrote:
It doesn't say Basic Land - Wastes on it, so I guess it's not really a 6th basic land type. But still, it being a basic land is something that they haven't really done before.


Incoming Bloodmoon Variant?

5cc

"All non-basic lands are now basic Wastes"


Well it'd be 5<><> instead of 5cc. But it could be a thing.

I still think they're reprinting Blood Moon in SOI though.


C for colorless.


Ah, but <> is colorless now. Welcome your new <> overlords.


I'm sure people at Wizards and gatherer will shorthand colorless to {c} much like everyone shorthands the mana cost of bloom moon to 2r instead of copying the red mana icon all the time.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
November 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#12593
I always assumed cc => casting cost

so 5cc would 5 casting cost
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-22 05:02:36
November 22 2015 05:02 GMT
#12594
NVM.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
November 22 2015 06:25 GMT
#12595
I started streaming MTGO because leagues make it very much watchable now. I play Standard & Modern...sometimes draft. http://www.twitch.tv/wholegrn
MoxSapphire
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Denmark7 Posts
November 23 2015 09:25 GMT
#12596
Neat - followed you. Well done at PTBFZ - I ended up 80th :/ I was thinking of streaming some standard leagues with Eureka-rally as well, but haven't really been able to get OBS to work well on Win10.
Better lucky than good
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 24 2015 00:56 GMT
#12597
i did it

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
the courage to be a lazy bum
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
November 24 2015 06:48 GMT
#12598
grats! what are your plans with it?
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 24 2015 07:08 GMT
#12599
On November 24 2015 09:56 ZoW wrote:
i did it

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Yooooo grats bud!
Forever Young
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 24 2015 07:31 GMT
#12600
On November 24 2015 15:48 Whole wrote:
grats! what are your plans with it?

probably going towards legacy staples i need.

+ Show Spoiler +
after i get it back from wizards since it came with edge damage on the back zz
the courage to be a lazy bum
Prev 1 628 629 630 631 632 665 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group B
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
ZZZero.O229
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 322
ProTech132
CosmosSc2 98
ForJumy 60
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 229
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1191
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu507
Other Games
Grubby4791
FrodaN1845
B2W.Neo732
Pyrionflax207
mouzStarbuck158
ToD98
ArmadaUGS79
Maynarde65
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1301
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 55
• Adnapsc2 20
• Reevou 6
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach26
• HerbMon 17
• Michael_bg 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler88
• lizZardDota260
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2726
Other Games
• Shiphtur367
Upcoming Events
OSC
57m
ReBellioN vs HiGhDrA
Shameless vs Demi
LetaleX vs Mute
Percival vs TBD
OSC
10h 57m
Wardi Open
13h 57m
Wardi Open
17h 57m
Replay Cast
1d
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 13h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.