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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24814 Posts
June 29 2013 04:38 GMT
#8081
Yea I started playing magic about when DGM came out, so I'm learning to draft utilizing this whole block.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
June 29 2013 04:54 GMT
#8082
M14, draft all the slivers!
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
June 29 2013 05:11 GMT
#8083
People actually like to draft core set? ... bizarre
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 29 2013 05:48 GMT
#8084
On June 29 2013 13:38 micronesia wrote:
Yea I started playing magic about when DGM came out, so I'm learning to draft utilizing this whole block.


I think you should actually start with M13 or AVR queues if you want an easier learning curve, DGR is possibly the most difficult block to draft in Magic history.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24814 Posts
June 29 2013 06:10 GMT
#8085
On June 29 2013 14:48 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 13:38 micronesia wrote:
Yea I started playing magic about when DGM came out, so I'm learning to draft utilizing this whole block.


I think you should actually start with M13 or AVR queues if you want an easier learning curve, DGR is possibly the most difficult block to draft in Magic history.

Well I feel a little better knowing this! At this point I know almost all of the ravnica block cards (even if I don't fully understand how to utilize them) and they are also going to be useful in constructed standard for another year so I will just stick with it until the next set.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
June 29 2013 06:25 GMT
#8086
Do people actually play M13 or AVR? The queues seem always empty.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 29 2013 07:28 GMT
#8087
I get into M13 queues sometimes. M14 will be out soon, so that will definitely be a good starting point as well.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
June 29 2013 08:07 GMT
#8088
Few questions: what's the opinion of people on draft vs sealed? I usually play phantom sealed and then I draft the 3 packs if I get first. Honestly I enjoy myself more in sealed simply because there are more cards so you can build higher quality decks. Maybe there is more variance compared to draft too.

Do people play more draft because it's better to pick money cards & you need less boosters to play; or it is because it's considered more fair? If I want to be good at magic what should I play?

2nd question: actually it's quite easy to get at least 6 points in phantom sealed, so I happen to have some DGM boosters. But they only sell for 2. What do you recommand? Keep them? Open them for voice? What's the probability to open voice anyway?
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 29 2013 08:59 GMT
#8089
On June 29 2013 17:07 mavignon wrote:
Few questions: what's the opinion of people on draft vs sealed? I usually play phantom sealed and then I draft the 3 packs if I get first. Honestly I enjoy myself more in sealed simply because there are more cards so you can build higher quality decks. Maybe there is more variance compared to draft too.

Do people play more draft because it's better to pick money cards & you need less boosters to play; or it is because it's considered more fair? If I want to be good at magic what should I play?

2nd question: actually it's quite easy to get at least 6 points in phantom sealed, so I happen to have some DGM boosters. But they only sell for 2. What do you recommand? Keep them? Open them for voice? What's the probability to open voice anyway?


People prefer to draft because they are gamblers, and opening packs is more rewarding to that aspect of their psychology. Drafting is also slightly less cumbersome since it only requires 3 packs. You can always organize an easy money or team draft at a Magic tournament, but good luck getting opponents for a money sealed. On MtGO it doesn't really matter, play what you enjoy.

Opening packs just doesn't make any sense, since you can draft with them for only an additional .6666 tickets per pack (or free IRL) and get more value that way.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
June 29 2013 11:05 GMT
#8090
On June 29 2013 17:59 Cel.erity wrote:
Opening packs just doesn't make any sense, since you can draft with them for only an additional .6666 tickets per pack (or free IRL) and get more value that way.


The thing is I have much more DGM than GTC and RTR.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 29 2013 11:36 GMT
#8091
On June 29 2013 20:05 mavignon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 17:59 Cel.erity wrote:
Opening packs just doesn't make any sense, since you can draft with them for only an additional .6666 tickets per pack (or free IRL) and get more value that way.


The thing is I have much more DGM than GTC and RTR.


Just sell, then, or hold onto them for a few years. The cards inside are always worth less than the pack price on average, but all out of print block packs gain a little bit of value when MtGO runs nostalgia drafts.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24814 Posts
June 29 2013 15:17 GMT
#8092
On June 29 2013 17:07 mavignon wrote:
Honestly I enjoy myself more in sealed simply because there are more cards so you can build higher quality decks.

The sealed gives you twice as many cards, but doesn't the ability to choose your cards in draft actually mean you will have a stronger deck? Not that it really matters... just curious.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
June 29 2013 15:36 GMT
#8093
On June 30 2013 00:17 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 17:07 mavignon wrote:
Honestly I enjoy myself more in sealed simply because there are more cards so you can build higher quality decks.

The sealed gives you twice as many cards, but doesn't the ability to choose your cards in draft actually mean you will have a stronger deck? Not that it really matters... just curious.

Sealed is a slower format usually so it's actually weaker decks.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 29 2013 19:49 GMT
#8094
Sealed decks have a higher power level, but less synergy. Usually more bombs and removal in each deck since you see 6 packs and choose your colors based on what your best cards are. It's a slower format because you can't choose your curve.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 29 2013 21:39 GMT
#8095
On June 29 2013 14:11 DarthXX wrote:
People actually like to draft core set? ... bizarre


Core is sweet. And this might sound dumb but I think the simplicity reveals the better player.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
EasyPush
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden70 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 23:21:37
June 29 2013 23:16 GMT
#8096
Hi! I just did a draft video of my latest modern masters draft. There were some interesting decisions and some mistakes made. Please critique my play, the casting and anything else!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUtsNzoHEEUv3jltGJeXLiKrHyzADCfkL
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
June 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#8097
On June 30 2013 06:39 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 14:11 DarthXX wrote:
People actually like to draft core set? ... bizarre


Core is sweet. And this might sound dumb but I think the simplicity reveals the better player.

Core is just less fun because less chance for cutesy decks
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 30 2013 06:06 GMT
#8098
So, Aristocrat-esque decks are going to be ridiculous with Xathrid Necromancer. Blood artist, Doomed Traveler, Cartel Aristocrat...I'm like lost at how much value you these cards create.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
June 30 2013 06:50 GMT
#8099
Gonna be so sad when Blood Artist leaves the format, seriously my favorite card in nearly a decade.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24814 Posts
June 30 2013 06:52 GMT
#8100
What does "win the game" mean in magic? If I meet the criteria on a magic card such that it says I win the game, does that actually mean all opponents I can affect lose the game? In other words, in a format where I can not 'see' some opponents, I don't actually win over everybody else, right?
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