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Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 05:34:58
May 27 2013 05:34 GMT
#7681
I'd imagine 3x DGM would be stupidly slow and involve many weird 4+ color decks. and... yeah be easier than block
Dota 3hard5me
Shadow Sylph
Profile Joined December 2010
United States98 Posts
May 27 2013 05:50 GMT
#7682
On May 27 2013 14:34 Nub4ever wrote:
I'd imagine 3x DGM would be stupidly slow and involve many weird 4+ color decks. and... yeah be easier than block


I've found that in 3x DGM you can actually draft a quick RW deck with Firstblades and burn spells. It's silly because people think Firstblades aren't good and in drafts like DGM/GTC/RTR they aren't, but in 3x DGM everyone plays the slow game so they actually do quite well.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
May 27 2013 05:58 GMT
#7683
IDK, I've always felt firstblades are pretty nuts, at least in an aggro deck. Assuming you can get something thats at least a bear out on t2 you're dropping them to 14 by t3. That's pretty scary if you have anyhting else coming.
Dota 3hard5me
Shadow Sylph
Profile Joined December 2010
United States98 Posts
May 27 2013 06:04 GMT
#7684
Best part is, because everyone is not drafting FBs you can usually pick up 3 mb 4 if you're lucky.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6228 Posts
May 27 2013 06:48 GMT
#7685
Can anybody find anywhere to preorder Modern Masters boxes for less than $300?
good vibes only
FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
May 27 2013 07:22 GMT
#7686
^ would like to know this as well.

On the topic of drafts, generally 1 a week, sometimes 2, sometimes none, but if I can get one in I am generally happy. Drafted a super awesome rwb deck last Friday, so many boros bombs in gtc and dgm, and then some extort creatures, stabwound, and tons of two drops, went 3-1 but the game I lost was because I played like the scrub that I am (ie, did not read what a rare with evolve did, turns out it took my creatures @_@ and still got him down to 1 life in game 3, and he had exactly lethal tapped out with aetherling he dropped the turn before).

On the topic of standard, I am currently looking at getting my hands on playsets of all cards in urw that I think will be playable once the last block rotates out. Only real concern thus far is the lack of draw cards other than azorius charm, but it should still be a super fun deck. So far no huge reveals in m14 that would make me play bant rather than american control after rotation, but we will see
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 07:26:49
May 27 2013 07:22 GMT
#7687
Usually for good deals on things like this you need to be a regular at a LGS and then deal directly with your shop owner. Things like From the Vault are the same way. People that preorder boxes or even a case of each set with regularity at my LGS in the past have been able to get FtV and Modern Masters and such without much markup.

Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
May 27 2013 15:09 GMT
#7688
On May 27 2013 15:48 Meta wrote:
Can anybody find anywhere to preorder Modern Masters boxes for less than $300?

I talked to a local store manager about this, basically the more rare reprints that come out, the more LGS's will drag up the price, and those that DON'T want to raise the price have to in order to keep up. The last time (Commander's Arsenal) he sold at MSRP when everyone was gouging, he was bought out in 2 days and all of them were resold elsewhere.

Drafts are gonna be around $40-50 for the set...yeah.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
May 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#7689
One of the stores I go to presold 30 already at $150, and he has a few more he's doing for $200, so I know I'm definitely splitting one with a friend. He's also making sure he only sells 1 per person to try and avoid hoarding and give everyone a chance to pick it up. I had no idea it would be so damn expensive.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 27 2013 20:34 GMT
#7690
Huh, makes me wonder if he can actually get 30. There was some disputes going on with distributors on who gets how much. Also, this set isn't worth your money, it's hard to justify it unless you hit big to make your money back. People are just bad at math.
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 28 2013 04:19 GMT
#7691
I hope I can find some affluent-er friends to draft this Modern Masters with me. It seems like so many MtG players are slogging it, and I know this makes me sound like some terrible moneyed elitist, but Magic is an expensive hobby, I'm not sure poor people should be playing it! I don't think 70% of players can possibly expect to break even playing it. I would never think of it as an investment, just a game that costs a lot to play.

This is in no way a post to say that poor people are bad, or poor people are poor because they are flawed or that circumstances may or may not have caused certain things to happen or that people should not do the things they enjoy, et al. If anything, I blame Wizards for the horrible financial barrier to entry. But it does seem unwise for someone in a strap to be trying enjoy Magic at a very deep level.

This post really got away from me. I just want to draft Modern Masters.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
May 28 2013 05:30 GMT
#7692
On May 28 2013 05:34 Judicator wrote:
Huh, makes me wonder if he can actually get 30. There was some disputes going on with distributors on who gets how much. Also, this set isn't worth your money, it's hard to justify it unless you hit big to make your money back. People are just bad at math.


what's the threshold above which they stop being worth it? I would assume you've done the math already... : )
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 28 2013 05:51 GMT
#7693
If I were to come back in Modern with the release of Modern Masters, how would a Ux Gifts Tron deck fare if I just swapped a few cards with more recent improvements?

Pretty excited looking at these reprints.
Forever Young
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 06:21:09
May 28 2013 06:17 GMT
#7694
On May 28 2013 13:19 slyboogie wrote:
I hope I can find some affluent-er friends to draft this Modern Masters with me. It seems like so many MtG players are slogging it, and I know this makes me sound like some terrible moneyed elitist, but Magic is an expensive hobby, I'm not sure poor people should be playing it! I don't think 70% of players can possibly expect to break even playing it. I would never think of it as an investment, just a game that costs a lot to play.

This is in no way a post to say that poor people are bad, or poor people are poor because they are flawed or that circumstances may or may not have caused certain things to happen or that people should not do the things they enjoy, et al. If anything, I blame Wizards for the horrible financial barrier to entry. But it does seem unwise for someone in a strap to be trying enjoy Magic at a very deep level.

This post really got away from me. I just want to draft Modern Masters.


Enjoying magic at a very deep level for almost no money is easy, borrow cards. It's when you want to travel to GPs, etc where it starts costing real money.

Also you can find ways to cut your losses when you draft online to make losses minimal, I've never been able to find that when I draft irl so I consider an irl draft like going to the movies or something like. (I usually draft each set 1 or 2 times in person no more)

Drafts are another story, drafts suck your wallet dry if you do them over and over, and Modern Masters is one of those things that I'm going to be on the sidelines for. When it's a normal draft I ask myelf; do I get about the same enjoyment out of this as I do a movie or dinner out and the answer is usually yes so it's justifiable. I can't pay 50$ for 3 matches though, even with the "upside" of opening rares to sell the risk/reward/what do I get out of that 50$ isn't there.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 28 2013 09:08 GMT
#7695
Been messing around with MTG again lately and could use some advice. I'm looking to make a fun (and budget) deck for Standard. The combo I have been messing with is Realmwright + Crypt Ghast in a B/U deck. Been using Mind Grind and/or Consuming Abberation as the finish, but think maybe could come up with something better. I know it won't be tournament stuff, but idc I just like playing original non-netdecks! Any suggestions?
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 28 2013 09:36 GMT
#7696
On May 28 2013 14:30 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 05:34 Judicator wrote:
Huh, makes me wonder if he can actually get 30. There was some disputes going on with distributors on who gets how much. Also, this set isn't worth your money, it's hard to justify it unless you hit big to make your money back. People are just bad at math.


what's the threshold above which they stop being worth it? I would assume you've done the math already... : )


You basically have to hit on at least one of the money mythics, Confidant/goyf/clique etc. at foil level and non foil. At over 200 per preorder, you feasibly are not going to with 24 packs. Plus with the CHK dragons at he myhtic level if I am reading thr spoiler correctly, GL.

Just aint worth your money. Your basically dropping 10 bucks a pack at which point I would ask why not just buy a Zendikat box.
Get it by your hands...
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
May 28 2013 09:55 GMT
#7697
On May 28 2013 18:36 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 14:30 n0ise wrote:
On May 28 2013 05:34 Judicator wrote:
Huh, makes me wonder if he can actually get 30. There was some disputes going on with distributors on who gets how much. Also, this set isn't worth your money, it's hard to justify it unless you hit big to make your money back. People are just bad at math.


what's the threshold above which they stop being worth it? I would assume you've done the math already... : )


You basically have to hit on at least one of the money mythics, Confidant/goyf/clique etc. at foil level and non foil. At over 200 per preorder, you feasibly are not going to with 24 packs. Plus with the CHK dragons at he myhtic level if I am reading thr spoiler correctly, GL.

Just aint worth your money. Your basically dropping 10 bucks a pack at which point I would ask why not just buy a Zendikat box.


I was genuinely curious where they stand - every booster is, by definition of the current mtg economics, not worth it. The question is by how much.

Luck and 'GL' have nothing to do with it, in the end packs have a certain average value.

But yeah, I was curious about something, instead I got myself into a

'People are bad at math'
'So what's the math'?
'I have no idea'

kind of argument. You rock, yo.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 28 2013 10:24 GMT
#7698
Cant do that on the phone yo.

Why the hell are you doing EV on a sample of 24? Basic stats will tell you sample size will have way too much variance to justify using any conclusions.

Plus you can rough it out at the basic premise if a pack is worth 10+ bucks? Sadly they arent just from glancing at the rares.

Get it by your hands...
Merany
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France890 Posts
May 28 2013 12:05 GMT
#7699
Local store said they were not going to organize any draft for modern masters but they are going to have a few boxes to sell. Hope I can find enough people interested to set up one myself.

I know I'm gonna lose money but I really think it's gonna be very different and a lot of fun!
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 29 2013 02:18 GMT
#7700
On May 28 2013 15:17 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 13:19 slyboogie wrote:
I hope I can find some affluent-er friends to draft this Modern Masters with me. It seems like so many MtG players are slogging it, and I know this makes me sound like some terrible moneyed elitist, but Magic is an expensive hobby, I'm not sure poor people should be playing it! I don't think 70% of players can possibly expect to break even playing it. I would never think of it as an investment, just a game that costs a lot to play.

This is in no way a post to say that poor people are bad, or poor people are poor because they are flawed or that circumstances may or may not have caused certain things to happen or that people should not do the things they enjoy, et al. If anything, I blame Wizards for the horrible financial barrier to entry. But it does seem unwise for someone in a strap to be trying enjoy Magic at a very deep level.

This post really got away from me. I just want to draft Modern Masters.


Enjoying magic at a very deep level for almost no money is easy, borrow cards. It's when you want to travel to GPs, etc where it starts costing real money.

Also you can find ways to cut your losses when you draft online to make losses minimal, I've never been able to find that when I draft irl so I consider an irl draft like going to the movies or something like. (I usually draft each set 1 or 2 times in person no more)

Drafts are another story, drafts suck your wallet dry if you do them over and over, and Modern Masters is one of those things that I'm going to be on the sidelines for. When it's a normal draft I ask myelf; do I get about the same enjoyment out of this as I do a movie or dinner out and the answer is usually yes so it's justifiable. I can't pay 50$ for 3 matches though, even with the "upside" of opening rares to sell the risk/reward/what do I get out of that 50$ isn't there.


Dunno, I have friends who will let me borrow cards but I only really know them from the store. Personally, I'm very surprised when they offer. I have an outdated Maverick Legacy Deck and a Storm Deck, a Modern Scapeshift and Standard Esper deck that isn't fitted for DGM. It cost a lot of money and there are no Jaces or Force of Wills. I mean, I wouldn't say I paid sticker price for my constructed decks but Magic is very expensive.

I primarily draft and there's no way I've broke even, but I never intended to, I think it's a bad idea to think you can. Maybe online.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
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