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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 07:34:27
March 24 2013 05:33 GMT
#6721
Yep, and due to my oversight, my nevermore on angel of serenity died to an abrupt decay....followed by *3* angels of serenity. Yay.

Also, Intrepid Hero is a spectacular card.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
March 24 2013 18:53 GMT
#6722
how the hell does anything beat cloud post in pauper? ive tried three different acclaimed pauper decks, and i've never won against cloudpost--its actually just straight stupid how broken those combos are.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
March 24 2013 21:31 GMT
#6723
On March 25 2013 03:53 EMIYA wrote:
how the hell does anything beat cloud post in pauper? ive tried three different acclaimed pauper decks, and i've never won against cloudpost--its actually just straight stupid how broken those combos are.


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3282

In any black deck. They have the best matchup by far against post.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 25 2013 22:37 GMT
#6724
So...we are heading into the high tide of Standard, aka the time when the card pool is the greatest, aka when the core sets overlap with each other for some epic (stagnant) metagaming. Anyone have wishes/predictions/regrets they want for this last leg of standard?

For me, it'll be the last 6 months of Drownyard activations on your end of turn, regretting playing Humanimator (it's a sweet deck, just not when I played it) when I had the metagame by the proverbial balls and also when the mana base was pretty terrible, wishing that there will be a time in the upcoming months where I can play standard Delver without feeling like a dirty whore or a worthless peasant.

The reason I bring this up now is that honestly, block constructed is more interesting than the last 6 months of standard where decks get hammered out, match ups get hammered out, creativity is at an all time high quickly followed by an all time low. Although, as a control player, I guess I should be jumping for joy because usually this is the best time to be playing a typical control deck.
Get it by your hands...
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
March 25 2013 22:49 GMT
#6725
For me, my wish is that somehow Naya Midrange becomes good again in this metagame full of hyper-aggressive aggro decks, Reanimator decks supplanting midrange, and control starting to come into its own. I like playing fair and turning dudes sideways, and Naya is probably the best colors for that.

I predict that we'll see a cheap, good spell reprinted in M14 (like Lightning Bolt) along with a good, cheap cycling card (Preordain, Ponder, maybe even actual Brainstorm reprint) and for 3 months the metagame will be full of nothing but UWR Delver decks, as the boogeyman comes back one final time to haunt us.

My biggest regret is not sticking with my gut and staying with Reanimator from the start of RTR, as it's been probably the most consistent deck since RTR started.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
March 25 2013 23:28 GMT
#6726
My biggest regret is not having even played magic during the last block, started just in December and now it feels like Innistrad is going to be gone way too soon. Far, far more interesting set than RTR/GTC, and unless Dragon's Maze pulls out something crazy, I'm really going to miss it. Hell, more than half my deck will phase out come october :/
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 26 2013 00:45 GMT
#6727
On March 26 2013 08:28 Audemed wrote:
My biggest regret is not having even played magic during the last block, started just in December and now it feels like Innistrad is going to be gone way too soon. Far, far more interesting set than RTR/GTC, and unless Dragon's Maze pulls out something crazy, I'm really going to miss it. Hell, more than half my deck will phase out come october :/


Welcome to standard, where you have to think about your cards a year ahead of time. ISD was one of the sweetest draft blocks and its unfortunate you missed it while building up your collection.

Heres to Theros not turning out like ass.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 26 2013 01:05 GMT
#6728
Hm. For me it'd probably not getting a playset of Liliana of the Veil earlier. It's suddenly so expensive wow. Maybe it'll drop after ISD rotates hrm.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 01:59:02
March 26 2013 01:54 GMT
#6729
On March 26 2013 10:05 MoonBear wrote:
Hm. For me it'd probably not getting a playset of Liliana of the Veil earlier. It's suddenly so expensive wow. Maybe it'll drop after ISD rotates hrm.


Don't think it will, cards that never go down in price after standard rotation are Legacy/Modern staples and EDH common offenders. Some exceptions are those that drop a little immediately after rotation, but that's usually for stuff in EDH. Think about All is Dust for EDH, I bought one for 10 dollars right after rotation and then flipped it for 14, now that card is like 16-17 and probably going to go even higher to 20+ as it's unlikely to be reprinted.

Lily falls into the Legacy/Modern category, it's the only card I ever purchased knowingly for above market value and opened another one. Now she's like back to how much I bought her for at arguably her highest point (50 bucks). I don't see her going down as she's the only viable 3 drop walker in Modern and Legacy since Blue is so neutered in the former and UBx just plays so well in the latter. That card won't go down unless they introduce some kind of super discard hoser for those formats. 3-Jace doesn't hold a candle to her.

You can attempt to see if she drops (right after rotation), but highly unlikely unless Black becomes unpopular in Legacy or Modern.

Anyways for my speculative cards (for what it's worth), Huntmaster of the Fells will hold or go up in value because that's the RG Solemn Simulacrum with more difficult reprint requirements being a flip card; Terminus, short print set, underdrafted due to how shitty AVR was for limited, mild implications for both EDH and Legacy; then my personal little card I have been amassing...Lingering Souls...because Spectral Procession is a little under 5 bucks and this card is arguably better, also it helps when R&D is on record to admitting that the card is a mistake.

Edit:

You should see if you can pick up Lilys right after rotation through trades when people start playing and start opening random packs. Also ISD packs and boxes are worth the investment, people loved the set for limited, and it's not like the set itself was bad value, Lily at mythic, Snapcaster at rare, enemy colored lands for EDH trades along with the non-basic land cycle in the block (Kessig/Gavony the best imo), Delver/Invisible Stalker at common/uncommon.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
March 26 2013 02:07 GMT
#6730
On March 26 2013 10:05 MoonBear wrote:
Hm. For me it'd probably not getting a playset of Liliana of the Veil earlier. It's suddenly so expensive wow. Maybe it'll drop after ISD rotates hrm.

No kidding, I had 2 and traded them off at $28 a couple weeks ago, now they're almost to $50.
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 17:26:05
March 26 2013 16:20 GMT
#6731
The tournament is over! there was pretty nice turnout with 30+ people. I decided to scrap my previous ideas and go with an orzhov deck which netted me a 4-0 victory (there were 2 4-0's but the tournament was only 4 rounds)! I was very surprised with the decks that I played against- it was almost all control whereas I thought I would be facing a ton of agro.

The deck:

+ Show Spoiler +


4 ogre jailbreaker
1 seraph of dawn
4 basillica guard
4 basillica screecher
4 kingping's pet
4 syndic of tythes

4 oblivion ring
4 stab wound
2 tragic slip
1 victim of night
2 Altar's reap
3 sign in blood

2 haunted fengraf
4 orzhov guildgate
4 evolving wilds
7 swamp
6 plains

board:
2 aerial maneuver
2 pacifism
2 smite
1 victim of night
3 devour flesh
4 erase
1 keening aparition

This is a copy of the orzhov deck listed in the article linked earlier in the thread - http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/silvestri-says-modern-wrap-up/ . I made a few modifications - I didn't really like the regenerators because leaving mana up for it seems pretty counter intuitive as I should be using all leftover mana on extorts. I added fengrafs because I figured they would be giving me a free extort trigger late game and most of my spells had colorless symbols it
can pay for. Also to note - there is only 1 seraph of dawn and 2 tragic slips because I couldn't get my hands on any more.


Very simplified match summary:
R1 extort > mono black
R2 extort > bump in the night
R3 extort > archeomancer + bloodhunter bat + ghostly flicker
R4 devour flesh > hexproof

Besides R4, the matches were incredibly grindy. Especially r3 which took 10 turns for me to take him from 12 to death. I could do a more detailed writeup but I'm not sure how much I remember.

Personal takeaway:
10 packs
Keeping track of life totals while extorting every turn is non trivial
How much I like playing grindy decks
I need to play faster if I keep playing grindy decks
My deck can't win against enchant decks preboard
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
March 26 2013 18:44 GMT
#6732
Congrats, dude!
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
March 26 2013 19:00 GMT
#6733
If there's one thing I hate about RTR block, its how terrible it is for new players.

My cousin is just at the age where I think he could pick up Magic. I went to build him two common learning decks from my bulk, and I realized that the only things I could use were M12/13, the few French Vanilla creatures, and maybe 3 spells per color.

You can't teach a brand new (young) player Extort, Evolve, Bloodrush, Scavenge, Cipher, Detain, Populate. Unleash is iffy (when explaining attacking and blocking, saying "This guy can't block but he's stronger" doesn't make sense), Overload and Battalion are the only ones that are straightforward enough to be explained in the first couple sittings. I ended up making a Boros "Battallion" deck with Skyjeks and Warmind Infantry, Ember Beasts, Assault Griffins, and Cobblebrutes, along with Madcap Skills, Searing Spears, and Muggings, while I played a Gb "Golgari"' with a single Terrus Wurm as the only scavenge, mostly just running French Vanilla, with Stab Wounds and Titanic Growth (all my giants were missing... haha). We played one game to teach him the basics, and by the end of it he had tapping, paying for mana, and attacking down reasonably well - still has trouble figuring out how blocking works though. I'm gonna take him to FNM in the 5th, but I really need to get him an M13 fat pack or something (yeah yeah M14 but its so far away)
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 26 2013 19:02 GMT
#6734
That's why core sets exist and the planeswalker game exists. You don't typically introduce new players to these multicolored sets.
Get it by your hands...
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
March 26 2013 19:28 GMT
#6735
Yup, stick to core sets when introducing people. There's a reason they're labeled as beginner sets and expert sets
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
March 26 2013 19:33 GMT
#6736
On March 26 2013 11:07 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:05 MoonBear wrote:
Hm. For me it'd probably not getting a playset of Liliana of the Veil earlier. It's suddenly so expensive wow. Maybe it'll drop after ISD rotates hrm.

No kidding, I had 2 and traded them off at $28 a couple weeks ago, now they're almost to $50.


Wow, I just checked and local pricing has it up by 10€ from when I traded my 3rd. Sweet.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 19:48:45
March 26 2013 19:47 GMT
#6737
For me, I came into the game during Shards of Alara, but seeing as I was 21 at the time, I could understand/pick up on most things pretty easily. Not to mention that they changed the rules right then so combat damage wasn't on the stack, and mana burn was done away with, so my circle of friends quickly adopted those changes and basically forced any game we played under the "new" rules.

But yeah, if you are new to the game or trying to introduce new players to it, especially younger people, you start with the Planeswalker game or the starter decks from a Core set.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
March 26 2013 20:11 GMT
#6738
I personally learned by watching a shit ton of streamed drafts and got in through limited. It's not easy, but it's another option.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
March 26 2013 20:16 GMT
#6739
Got one of the m13 booster battle packs to teach my wife. We'll see how that pans out lafer this week. I myself learned the game just by buying a 2013 deckbuilder kit, 6 boosters, and going to fnm. It was harsh, but just jumping in is the easiest way for me to learn stuff. Think that mentality carried over from the army, lol.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
March 26 2013 21:59 GMT
#6740
He's 10. I know I should have started with the core set but I never draft or buy those. Now I'm stuck - do I get him M13 now or wait and suffer until M14?
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