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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 11 2013 07:06 GMT
#5321
Boros and Gruul just look insane compared to the other guilds. Maybe thats just me, but god damn.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 11 2013 07:38 GMT
#5322
Dimir looks pretty terrible, Orzhov looks good, Gruul looks OK, Boros is absurd.

Naya aggro ftw.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 07:48:09
January 11 2013 07:45 GMT
#5323
Boros wasn't looking too good until they printed 3 cards that basically say, "fuck you," to Sphinx's Revelation, creature mirrors, and sweepers (in the form of Frontline Medic, Aurelia's Fury, and Boros Charm respectively). Also, Skullcrack.

Dimir was looking to be the frontrunner of good, Standard-playable cards in the set with the inclusion of Cipher + control magic in an Esper-style deck. But now with these new Boros and Gruul cards revealed, it's certainly possible that the aggro and midrange decks (I'm looking at you Naya) can just end the game before control can really lock the game down.

Orzhov still needs to have some things revealed, like their charm and keyrune, along with some other Orzhov rares and uncommons, as Dimir and Orzhov have the fewest revealed cards now I believe. I can see the keyrune for Orzhov being 2/2 and lifelink, and their charm being something like -3/-3 to target creature, or all creatures gain deathtouch until EOT, or counter target creature spell unless it's controller pays 2.

But yes, I suspect Bonfire's price will drop after people swap it out for Aurelia's Fury, as the Fury seems better suited for creature mirrors. For example, I suspect we'll see a lot of combats look something like Champion of the Parish + Silverblade Paladin + Frontline Medic swinging in, and after battallion trigger occurs, Fury for 3 to clear the blockers, shoot some at the face, and probably deal 15+ damage on the swing.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 11 2013 07:53 GMT
#5324
Deathtouch unlikely for keyrune, more likely lifelink. None of that is too relevant, the Charm is where its at. Boros and others will be popular soley because the format doesn't have a iconic aggro deck, the RB aggro deck is like a mishmash of solid creatures with suboptimal spells (Pillar/Searing isn't by choice).

Aurelia's Fury at instant almost feels like its a negative in a format where people play Dispels consistently.

Either case, I'll be fishing for that tempo deck once Gatecrash spoilers complete.
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
January 11 2013 15:13 GMT
#5325
That Boros Charm appears incredibly powerful. It looks even more powerful than most of the other charms.
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OblivionMage
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada377 Posts
January 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#5326
If Aurelia's Fury is cast in response to an opponent playing a non-creature spell, that non-creature spell would still resolve, because it has already been 'cast', correct?
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
January 11 2013 18:14 GMT
#5327
On January 12 2013 03:10 OblivionMage wrote:
If Aurelia's Fury is cast in response to an opponent playing a non-creature spell, that non-creature spell would still resolve, because it has already been 'cast', correct?


I believe so. The card looks ridiculous regardless, I wouldn't be surprised to see control lovers playing the medic that counters x spells just to have some leverage against it played during their upkeep.
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 11 2013 18:24 GMT
#5328
On January 12 2013 03:10 OblivionMage wrote:
If Aurelia's Fury is cast in response to an opponent playing a non-creature spell, that non-creature spell would still resolve, because it has already been 'cast', correct?


Correct. I can't imagine wizards printing a card that reads: "1WR: Counter target noncreature spell. {cardname} deals 1 damage to that spell's controller" and this card would be MILES better than that.

Note that this isn't the reason, just a way to think about the card. Also consider cards like Silence and Orim's Chant. Those would be hilariously unprintable if they countered any spells on the stack as well.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 11 2013 19:33 GMT
#5329
Well at least it's not uncounterable.

Counterspell decks might start coming back since a lot of the good cards will now NOT be uncounterable.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 11 2013 19:37 GMT
#5330
Been doing some proxy practice with RB splashing W, with Thailia, Medic, and Aurelia's fury, and it's running the gauntlet pretty well, I think something like 15-2 in my circle vs bant control, indestructible 1 or 2 drop (sometimes more)/Medic/Hellrider turn 4s are just insane.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 11 2013 19:43 GMT
#5331
Yeah, RBw splashing for the insane boros shit is going to dominate as soon as gatecrash comes out.
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 11 2013 20:07 GMT
#5332
On January 12 2013 04:43 iGrok wrote:
Yeah, RBw splashing for the insane boros shit is going to dominate as soon as gatecrash comes out.

Yea with the current spoilers I see RBw and Naya human aggro shitting all over anything that attempts control.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#5333
Seeing these cards, suddenly I want to play Naya in Modern. I adore that colour combination. Naya. Hehe.

Also, I'm loving the art in Gatecrash. It's so good.
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n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 13 2013 22:07 GMT
#5334
Anyone here following Wizards' GP Coverages?

Looking for people with whom to make fun of Marshall Sutcliffe, the general coverage and who are just up for shenanigans - Ethereal Armor, L o L
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
January 14 2013 01:16 GMT
#5335
On January 11 2013 16:02 OblivionMage wrote:
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What the hell.

Also, the Boros Charm:
+ Show Spoiler +
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What the hell is that?! Kinda imbalanced unless you have a counter. Just Tap all his creatures and attack with yours, GG!
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Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
January 14 2013 01:21 GMT
#5336
That finals was SO skillful, Hexproof is a FUN, SKILLFUL mechanic. AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 14 2013 01:23 GMT
#5337
On January 14 2013 10:21 Rainofpain wrote:
That finals was SO skillful, Hexproof is a FUN, SKILLFUL mechanic. AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?

You're right man, interactive and fun magic!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 14 2013 01:31 GMT
#5338
I get the feeling that Pyroclasm will be reprinted soon :\
Get it by your hands...
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 14 2013 01:34 GMT
#5339
On January 14 2013 10:31 Judicator wrote:
I get the feeling that Pyroclasm will be reprinted soon :\

New art might be nice.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 14 2013 02:55 GMT
#5340
I hope the ultimate troll by Wizards is that DGM will be a primarily mono-colored set.
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