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I think people're lumping too much crap into "gameplay" and making this skewed. I hate pulling out reviewer stuff but I think at the very least you split things into like <story> <graphics> <audio> <system> that sort of thing.
And when it comes to that, I'm not gonna lie - gameplay can take a backseat to other stuff. That's not to say I'll ignore gameplay whatsoever, and a boring game is a boring game, but if a story is compelling, it'll keep me hooked (for a fair amount of time). If the graphics suck (relatively), or the audio is grating, it'll be a huge turn-off and can push me off of a good story/gameplay system.
Personally it's hard for me to rate any of those four ingredient as more important than another. That's not to say I demand top-of-the-line graphics or anything, as I happily appreciate 2D, even bit-sprite games, but I prefer graphics to add to the game, and if the level of immersion demanded by the game involves realism (like Bioshock, FEAR, that sort of thing) then I obviously demand likewise in terms of graphics. And if Bioshock were to have been released with System Shock-level graphics, yeah, I probably wouldn't have played it.
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Gameplay is most important. But there is no gameplay without decent graphics (I can't imagine anyone buying sc2 if it was in 2d)
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Graphics obviously , why would you wanna play a fun game that looks bad when you can play a bad game that looks good ?
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On August 21 2010 08:19 Judicator wrote:
Fuck gameplay, I want a fireworks show in my face so I can't even see what I am playing.
Then you'd like SC2.
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Gameplay is more important, but thats not to say graphics aren't important either. I like games to look good, there are some older games that I just can't go back to because of their graphics.
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Both are important. You cannot measure which weighs the most because they're different, just as you cannot compare apples to oranges. Denying either will give you trouble when trying to find or make a good game.
It's cool and fun to stuff your chest and say "I think gameplay is more important because I'm not a superficial girl". But that's a bit immature. The truth is that the graphics are part of the experience and consequently, part of the gameplay.
Most of us played many games just for the gameplay, other games just for the graphics and others for how both worked great together. I think it's impossible to tell which one is more important.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
There are different kind of games.
I can play some older games like XCOM, Doom or Quake and the old graphics doesn't bother me in the slightest, because the gameplay is so fun.
On the other hand, there are very cinematic games, like Mass Effect, that have the visuals as the major component that builds the overall impression. Badly executed visuals would hurt this style of games.
In my opinion a good example of an older game that is very good gameplay-wise but is not as impressive anymore because of the outdated graphics is System Shock 2. If that game had the visuals of e.g. Dead Space, it would be sooo much more scary and atmospheric.
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Gameplay is a faaaar more important, graphics are just an added bonus.
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On August 24 2010 00:36 Random() wrote:
There are different kind of games.
I can play some older games like XCOM, Doom or Quake and the old graphics doesn't bother me in the slightest, because the gameplay is so fun.
On the other hand, there are very cinematic games, like Mass Effect, that have the visuals as the major component that builds the overall impression. Badly executed visuals would hurt this style of games.
In my opinion a good example of an older game that is very good gameplay-wise but is not as impressive anymore because of the outdated graphics is System Shock 2. If that game had the visuals of e.g. Dead Space, it would be sooo much more scary and atmospheric.
This!
And to AyJay, i would DEFFINETLY buy Sc2 if it was 2d!
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wow, is this serious? Game play is the most important thing. BW is the best example for this :D
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Gameplay, definitely.
But this has nothing to do with the Wii, so the poster up there is wrong.
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NBA Hang Time for Nintendo 64 us my favorite game, my character was a poorly designed chicken and partner was always a 8 foot tall grandpa doing backflips into a dunk, But the things me and my friend discovered, like how far we can take a combo, was amazingly fun.
Gameplay > graphics anyday
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On August 23 2010 23:16 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 08:47 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
This is why the Wii is crushing the PS3 and XBox, because if people want nice pictures, they'll watch a movie. Same with DS vs PSP. People play games for a challenge, enjoyment, and the story. Now Wii graphics are much worse than they could be, but that is too keep the system cheap. Instead of trying to push the graphics engine of the PS3, developers should make good games (which is why the PS move and Kinetic are doomed to fail). This actually has absolutely nothing to do with why the Wii beats out the other consoles in sales... like, at all. Ironically, it's the wii gameplay that's probably consistently the worst out of all the systems... by far. The gimmicky nunchuck shit only really works for a handful of games—not anything like COD, Madden or NHL series or any major franchise really. For most games, it's simply more hassle than fun to swing a stupid piece of unresponsive plastic in the air. Wii is almost exclusively built on it's niche market, catering to people who typically wouldn't identify as 'gamers' but find wii sports cool or something like that. The remaining demographic is pretty much just Nintendo fanboys (SSBM, Mario and Zelda was enough for my brother and his friend to buy and then the thing went right into the garbage because the system is junk besides that) Seriously, I've heard multiple people say they've bought their wife/gf wii sports because the SO enjoys it and it's the easiest way to get her to lose weight without saying she's fat. THAT'S FUCKIN' BRILLIANT MARKETING!! I definitely take gameplay over graphics, but it's not as skewed as some of you are making it. It's definitely not 90-10. I'm not paying $60 in 2010 for 8 bit graphics. That's why people are dirting on the Goldeneye reboot. It's essentially the exact same game, cept the graphics look like they are from 2005 instead of 1996... it's like every title on the wii actually. A recycled old classic that's completely uninspired but will sell anyway.
After reading all this nonsense about the wii being king of gameplay I was going to post myself but then I came across the above which basically sums up my thoughts entirely; the wii is all about brilliant marketing and product focus. In tapped into the largely ignored casual user base and gave them something gimmicky to satisfy that 15 minute boredom.
The last paragraph says it all.
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People say gameplay, but nobody buys games for the gameplay. They buy them for the graphics, or out of curiosity, or because their friends are playing them, or because they're hyped.
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graphics are a bit of a factor in me buying games, I'd expect better ones these days but I still play BW and Age of Empires 1/2+Conqueror's, goldeneye, perfect dark, starfox, Sonic 2/3 for Genesis, NBA jam TE for genesis, simply because I love the gameplay.
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Gameplay is obviously needed or its not a "game?" but graphics also matter a bit to me. Some games just look to dull.
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There is no excuse for not having good gameplay and graphics in a game these days but good gameplay will far outshadow poor graphics.
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Gameplay all the time, I still sometimes play older games that look bad now but are so fun to play.
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I would rather have great game play and good graphics than good game play with great graphics. It this day and age you need to have Pretty good graphics to get people to play the game long enough to be interested, but if it comes right down to it improving graphics at the cost of game play will lead to a worse game.
P.S. I still pull out my N64 for Perfect dark sometimes. It is a good blend in my eyes.
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Graphics are important so you can get your arrogant friends to play, but gameplay is definitely what makes it really fun Look at the FPS game "WolfTeam" for example, nothing special about graphics, but definitely one of the top 10 free FPS games.
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