On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
Yet you completely ignore the ruling of EVERY SINGLE FUMBLE THAT RESULTS IN A PILE. I didn't say Miami played spotless, I didn't say they deserved to blow out the Steeler's, I said they did just enough to win and the refs blew the call. I'm not arguing the game, I'm arguing the call. (good thing Miami didn't get a million chances in the red zone or your argument might be a bit valid).
So, Lets play the same argument the other way. How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball? The only visual evidence we have from the play is Ben fumbles, A pile on top of the ball, A miami player comes out with the ball. How do we prove he did or did not get it at first and how do we prove Big Ben was telling the truth when he said he had possession. We can't. So the only evidence that supports anything is the fact Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball.
It's called burden of proof. The burden in this case is to prove the call on the field is incorrect, not to prove it was correct. There was really no way to rule this otherwise.
On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
Yet you completely ignore the ruling of EVERY SINGLE FUMBLE THAT RESULTS IN A PILE. I didn't say Miami played spotless, I didn't say they deserved to blow out the Steeler's, I said they did just enough to win and the refs blew the call. I'm not arguing the game, I'm arguing the call. (good thing Miami didn't get a million chances in the red zone or your argument might be a bit valid).
How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball?
Thats exactly why the call was made the way it was. Sure it looked like Miami had the ball but the officials were playing it by the rule book - not judgment. Unless they can clearly see that Miami has the ball they have to let the Steelers keep possession. They couldn't tell who had the ball so they do imo the best thing: instead of a turnover they let the Steelers get the ball back with the loss of a down. The Steelers are still punished for fumbling but don't feel robbed by a potential judgment call.
On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
Yet you completely ignore the ruling of EVERY SINGLE FUMBLE THAT RESULTS IN A PILE. I didn't say Miami played spotless, I didn't say they deserved to blow out the Steeler's, I said they did just enough to win and the refs blew the call. I'm not arguing the game, I'm arguing the call. (good thing Miami didn't get a million chances in the red zone or your argument might be a bit valid).
So, Lets play the same argument the other way. How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball? The only visual evidence we have from the play is Ben fumbles, A pile on top of the ball, A miami player comes out with the ball. How do we prove he did or did not get it at first and how do we prove Big Ben was telling the truth when he said he had possession. We can't. So the only evidence that supports anything is the fact Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball.
Normally I find this thread worth putting a lot of time and effort into, but... you're an idiot. To my bolding, no I'm not. To the guy above this post's bolding, think about what you just asked.
We get it.. you like Miami, and you're pissed that your team lost. The ruling was right, quit crying.
On October 26 2010 07:19 KOFgokuon wrote: I'm trying to imagine how ape shit mad you'd be if that call went against your team lol
I would be horrendously pissed at first. Then I would realize that my team had 1st and Goal at the 5 yard line twice and got into the red zone 3 more times and had to settle for field goals all 5 times and that there was no definitive proof of the Dolphins getting the ball and I would accept it. The Dolphins played shit, the Refs didn't "win the Steelers the game", the Dolphins lost their own game.
the chargers have me so depressed right now I don't even want to think about football
fuck our special teams
why is it that in every game we suck hard until the 3rd/4th quarter when philip rivers suddenly rips and throws 8 million yards and 40 touchdowns and then we choke on the last play and lose
On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
Yet you completely ignore the ruling of EVERY SINGLE FUMBLE THAT RESULTS IN A PILE. I didn't say Miami played spotless, I didn't say they deserved to blow out the Steeler's, I said they did just enough to win and the refs blew the call. I'm not arguing the game, I'm arguing the call. (good thing Miami didn't get a million chances in the red zone or your argument might be a bit valid).
So, Lets play the same argument the other way. How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball? The only visual evidence we have from the play is Ben fumbles, A pile on top of the ball, A miami player comes out with the ball. How do we prove he did or did not get it at first and how do we prove Big Ben was telling the truth when he said he had possession. We can't. So the only evidence that supports anything is the fact Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball.
Normally I find this thread worth putting a lot of time and effort into, but... you're an idiot. To my bolding, no I'm not. To the guy above this post's bolding, think about what you just asked.
We get it.. you like Miami, and you're pissed that your team lost. The ruling was right, quit crying.
And you're reported. I'm sorry that instead of arguing a point or a ruling, or even previous ruling of the same sort that resulted in the same fashion you had to result to name calling and bashing.
Well the fact of the matter is, with this ruling, if it is indeed correct, overturns all fumbles that result in a pile and the ball is given to the Defense because there would be insufficient evidence to give the ball to the Defense because of the pile up resulting in a change in losses and wins for quite a few teams. So either the ruling was correct and should set precedence for future fumbles resulting in piles or it should be incorrect and overturned
On October 26 2010 07:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the chargers have me so depressed right now I don't even want to think about football
fuck our special teams
why is it that in every game we suck hard until the 3rd/4th quarter when philip rivers suddenly rips and throws 8 million yards and 40 touchdowns and then we choke on the last play and lose
I think the key difference between a fumble that is declared a fumble on the play and awarded to the defense and the Steelers fumble at the goal line is that the latter wasn't declared a fumble on the field. I'd think that in another similar situation (play not called a fumble, challenged/reviewed, declared a fumble but no clear recovery of the ball) the same call would be made and the offense would keep the ball. I can't give any other examples of that happening to go check, since as far as watching the NFL goes I pretty much just watch highlights.
It looked to me like Miami probably had the football, but I guess in this case "probably" wasn't enough to overturn the call.
Whether this is the way plays like that should be handled on a challenge, I dunno. From my understanding of the rules this is an okay ruling but the result of a bad call on the field in the first place (which is really what you should be upset over imo).
On October 26 2010 07:19 KOFgokuon wrote: I'm trying to imagine how ape shit mad you'd be if that call went against your team lol
I root more against teams I hate than for teams I like. I think this is pretty well known about me. It pissed me off very badly when I saw the Ben didn't make a fatal error in the game, especially since he's 1b on my most hated players list. The fact of the matter is that I am, and would be able to, step back and observe it as a rational person. I probably would have made an initial post just like his, then come to the same conclusion he came to when I asked "How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball?" Uhh, because that's the rule, and it's the only logical way to rule on the field. Yeah, it sucks that my team didn't get the ball, but how can it be a turnover when they can't establish who came up with the ball? What is the right thing to do? Make a judgement call that puts the ball in the hands of the opposing team without clear evidence? That's retarded. They have to give the ball to someone, so they put it on the goal line, and give it back to the last team to CLEARLY possess the ball.
To come in here in the manner he has is completely irrational.
On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
Yet you completely ignore the ruling of EVERY SINGLE FUMBLE THAT RESULTS IN A PILE. I didn't say Miami played spotless, I didn't say they deserved to blow out the Steeler's, I said they did just enough to win and the refs blew the call. I'm not arguing the game, I'm arguing the call. (good thing Miami didn't get a million chances in the red zone or your argument might be a bit valid).
So, Lets play the same argument the other way. How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball? The only visual evidence we have from the play is Ben fumbles, A pile on top of the ball, A miami player comes out with the ball. How do we prove he did or did not get it at first and how do we prove Big Ben was telling the truth when he said he had possession. We can't. So the only evidence that supports anything is the fact Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball.
Normally I find this thread worth putting a lot of time and effort into, but... you're an idiot. To my bolding, no I'm not. To the guy above this post's bolding, think about what you just asked.
We get it.. you like Miami, and you're pissed that your team lost. The ruling was right, quit crying.
And you're reported. I'm sorry that instead of arguing a point or a ruling, or even previous ruling of the same sort that resulted in the same fashion you had to result to name calling and bashing.
Well the fact of the matter is, with this ruling, if it is indeed correct, overturns all fumbles that result in a pile and the ball is given to the Defense because there would be insufficient evidence to give the ball to the Defense because of the pile up resulting in a change in losses and wins for quite a few teams. So either the ruling was correct and should set precedence for future fumbles resulting in piles or it should be incorrect and overturned
No, see, this is why I called you an idiot. You make ridiculous statements like that. "Then this negates every fumble ever in football! OMGWTFBBQ!" Do you realize how stupid that sounds to other people? Most of those piles end with a defender on the bottom of the pile being cleared, and one person absolutely has it. Like the guy above me said, it's also ruled a fumble on the field, which changes the way the referee looks at the play. The replay isn't just asking "what happened?" but "is there absolute proof that what we said happen, actually didn't happen?"
On October 26 2010 07:19 KOFgokuon wrote: I'm trying to imagine how ape shit mad you'd be if that call went against your team lol
I root more against teams I hate than for teams I like. I think this is pretty well known about me. It pissed me off very badly when I saw the Ben didn't make a fatal error in the game, especially since he's 1b on my most hated players list. The fact of the matter is that I am, and would be able to, step back and observe it as a rational person. I probably would have made an initial post just like his, then come to the same conclusion he came to when I asked "How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball?" Uhh, because that's the rule, and it's the only logical way to rule on the field. Yeah, it sucks that my team didn't get the ball, but how can it be a turnover when they can't establish who came up with the ball? What is the right thing to do? Make a judgement call that puts the ball in the hands of the opposing team without clear evidence? That's retarded. They have to give the ball to someone, so they put it on the goal line, and give it back to the last team to CLEARLY possess the ball.
To come in here in the manner he has is completely irrational.
On October 25 2010 13:44 ChezGod wrote: This Pittsburgh vs Miami game is just more evidence that the Steelers have the refs in their pocket. They've already won two superbowls recently due to shitty ref calls... this is just more of the same.
Ya, I hate the Steelers
It's evidence that the Dolphins had two turnovers on the Steelers and had 1st and Goal on the 4 yard line both times in the first 3 minutes of the game and had to settle for a field goal both times. It's evidence that the Dolphins got into the red zone three more times that game and had to settle for field goals. It's evidence that the Dolphins let the Steelers get away with way too many huge plays and two or three large kick off returns.
It's the dolphins own damn fault they lost. They need to learn to get touchdowns, especially when they are that close so many fucking times. 1/6 in the red zone is not acceptable at all.
And how about that Chargers game? Oh my lawdy, I was cracking up during Gameday Final when I saw some of those turn overs.
It's also evidence that the Steelers get special treatment in regards to certain play calls.
First well Go as the play turned out.
Big Ben runs to toward the end zone, is hit in the arm by Chris Clemons and the ball is knocked out. The ruling on the field is a touchdown....by the line judge 15 yards away and then mimicked by the ref on the goal line. The ball is jumped on by 3 miami players. Ike Alama-Francis (59), Kendall Langford(70), and Randy Starks (94). Followed by #72 of the Steelers.
Then 2 refs rush the pile pulling players off and Ike Alama-Francis (59) comes out with the ball in hand. While the other 2 refs are too busy calling the play a touchdown.
Also, we can look at the normal way of situating the way a fumble is sorted out on the field. First the refs pull players off the pile. Then whoever comes out with the ball gets possession. No questions asked. So by this ruling, Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball and should be awarded the fumble recovery.
But, Gene Steratore claims he “did not have video evidence and a confirmation on who recovered the football,”. Also, he claimed, “it was a pile of bodies in there and you don’t have a clear recovery.”
Don't most fumbles result in a pile fighting for the ball? So any fumble resulting in a pile should be given back to the Offense by this ruling. The ruling on the field was a horrible call and the Steelers walked away with a win because of bad officiating. I'm not arguing the Dolphin's were many times better than the Steelers, no, I'm arguing they did just enough to win and the win was instead given to the Steelers because of horrible officiating.
So I ask, is it impossible to ask for a correct ruling on the field to be called when we have visual evidence of a player grabbing the ball. We have visual evidence the player from the steelers who claimed to have control of the ball no where near it, and we have visual evidence of a player from the Dolphin's coming out with the ball. I don't know what you gather from that information but I certainly grasp at a Miami Dolphin's ball at the 20. I guess the Steelers need all the help they can get to keep that #1 in the power rankings.
It doesn't help their case that two of the refs, Gene Steratore and Jerry Bergman are both from the Pittsburgh area.
No, because possession can be established by another player, thereby ending the play, while another player comes and takes it away. It's nice that you conveniently ignore how horribly your team played the whole game (coming away with 3 instead of 7 like a million times), and then whine that the refs stole the game.
I'm as big of a Steelers hater as there is on this forum, but your arguments are ridiculous. It was the right call to make. The only people I see disagreeing are Dolphins fans.
Yet you completely ignore the ruling of EVERY SINGLE FUMBLE THAT RESULTS IN A PILE. I didn't say Miami played spotless, I didn't say they deserved to blow out the Steeler's, I said they did just enough to win and the refs blew the call. I'm not arguing the game, I'm arguing the call. (good thing Miami didn't get a million chances in the red zone or your argument might be a bit valid).
So, Lets play the same argument the other way. How can you establish the ball belongs to the Steelers if there was no visual evidence as to who came away with the ball? The only visual evidence we have from the play is Ben fumbles, A pile on top of the ball, A miami player comes out with the ball. How do we prove he did or did not get it at first and how do we prove Big Ben was telling the truth when he said he had possession. We can't. So the only evidence that supports anything is the fact Ike Alama-Francis came out of the pile with the ball.
Normally I find this thread worth putting a lot of time and effort into, but... you're an idiot. To my bolding, no I'm not. To the guy above this post's bolding, think about what you just asked.
We get it.. you like Miami, and you're pissed that your team lost. The ruling was right, quit crying.
And you're reported. I'm sorry that instead of arguing a point or a ruling, or even previous ruling of the same sort that resulted in the same fashion you had to result to name calling and bashing.
Well the fact of the matter is, with this ruling, if it is indeed correct, overturns all fumbles that result in a pile and the ball is given to the Defense because there would be insufficient evidence to give the ball to the Defense because of the pile up resulting in a change in losses and wins for quite a few teams. So either the ruling was correct and should set precedence for future fumbles resulting in piles or it should be incorrect and overturned
No, see, this is why I called you an idiot. You make ridiculous statements like that. "Then this negates every fumble ever in football! OMGWTFBBQ!" Do you realize how stupid that sounds to other people? Most of those piles end with a defender on the bottom of the pile being cleared, and one person absolutely has it. Like the guy above me said, it's also ruled a fumble on the field, which changes the way the referee looks at the play. The replay isn't just asking "what happened?" but "is there absolute proof that what we said happen, actually didn't happen?"
Glad you actually decided to debate, though your ability to bash and debate simultaneously is quite handy.
So you're saying 3 dolphins jumping on the bottom of the pile followed by Alama-Francis coming out with the ball is less evidence to a recovered fumble than another instance where lets say 3 steelers jump onto the ball and James Harrison comes out with the ball?
The fact was it wasn't ruled a fumble on the field at all. In fact it wasn't ruled a fumble until the replay was looked at because of the challenge.
And like I said, If the nfl thinks this was the correct way to rule this fumble then sure, that's fine. It's their game and their rules. But this ruling sets precedence for future fumbles that result in a pile like I said earlier. If they don't use replay evidence to back up their future possession calls for fumbles resulting in piles then the NFL is hypocritical.
EPT
