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On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks.
QBs in your league get negative numbers for sacks? Seems kinda strange...
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On October 04 2010 17:47 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks. I laughed when people were saying "is this the jay cutler the bears traded for?" when is started strong. Then I remembered, its jay cutler. I said it when the traded for jay cutler, and i'll say it again, the broncos had a steal of the century, p.s. the broncos also got 2 first round picks. DA BEARS.
Of course, you do realize you're essentially calling Orton the steal of the century? Which, okay, McDaniels may actually be making him look like, but I'm starting to be convinced that McDaniels could make a hole in the ground look like a good quarterback. (See: Cassel without McD. I wonder if he could do anything with Derek Andersen?)
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i'd say it's a stretch with jamarcus russell.
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I think Cassel's success had much more to do with the fact that he had Moss and Welker on the outside, and a whole bunch of other weapons at his disposal. People also forget he wasn't a slouch. Dude had not started since like HS, but was on a very good Hs team, and was good enough to get on at USC. He could have started at a number of schools in college.
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On October 04 2010 10:59 Corbie wrote:
GAHAHAHA! In my custom league it's -5 points for a sack. The guy who's starting Cutler is getting a whopping -63 points from him so far.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
On October 04 2010 12:24 Ace wrote:
10 sacks on 3 different QBS and 2 knocked out QBs - yea the Bears Offensive line is about to be rightfully held accountable for this one. They are fucking TERRIBLE. The Giants are actually blitzing just about anybody right now, even the popcorn guy in the stands and having success.
Fucking people in Chicago are blaming Cutler for that too. I understand that the QB needs to get rid of the ball, and that he fucked up on that last sack... but when you lose your starting and back up QB, and the third one gets his ass smacked around too.... I just don't think it's fair to put any blame on the QB. He should have been throwing it out faster, but the plays (aside from the one obvious miss that took him out of the game) aren't designed to be quick passes. It's not like Cutler can't throw the ball fast, or won't (we saw that he does vs Dallas)... I don't think anyone was open. If he took the advice of all these "experts" they'd be talking about how he had enough time to throw it, but was forcing passes. It's a lose-lose as a Chicago QB. And how the fuck is he supposed to get that game clock running in his head when he can't even count to 1 before he has a defender in his face?
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On October 04 2010 13:33 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 13:12 Aquafresh wrote:On October 04 2010 13:06 Hawk wrote:
harris had a big injury a few years back and just never recovered, right?? because he used to be a beast I don't follow the Bears enough to now whether his beast years were an anomaly or not, but this is kind of my understanding of what happened too. Like 2005/2006ish he was extremely young, and already fairly dominant. Kind of like what the Texans thought they were getting when they drafted Okoye a few years ago. He hurt his knee against the Vikings in 2006. In 2007, Marc Columbo (Cowboys OT) took a cheap shot and blew out the same knee. Since then, he has basically been a complete waste of a roster spot.
The cool thing is that they made the right decision in dumping Alex Brown and keeping him.
I say what I saw above, then I saw this post.
On October 04 2010 17:47 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks. I laughed when people were saying "is this the jay cutler the bears traded for?" when is started strong. Then I remembered, its jay cutler. I said it when the traded for jay cutler, and i'll say it again, the broncos had a steal of the century, p.s. the broncos also got 2 first round picks. DA BEARS.
Which they spent on Knowshon Moreno and Tim Tebow. GJ Broncos! Draft a HB that, apparently, can't stay healthy, and was never worth a #12 overall grab. Then grab a guy that no one had on their board until the fourth round at 25! OH! WHILE WE'RE AT IT.. let's skip Dez Bryant and pick another guy no one has ever heard of. He'll get open a lot in his first game, then get targeted ONCE in his third, because he can't get open... They did so much with those picks.
Then let's look at what Cutler has to deal with. Yes, he throws a lot of picks, but when he has time to throw the ball, he's a dangerous QB. A couple more years with Shannahan/Bates and people would have considered him a top 5 QB... instead, the Broncos dropped Shannahan (maybe wisely, maybe not), and instead of hiring a defensive minded coach that would keep the offense in tact and improve the defense, they grab an offensive coach, who continues the same struggles that Shannahan did, because he has the same draft philosophy of taking offensive players high, and trying to build the D with a bunch of washed up free-agents (Denver has one starting defensive player from the previous two drafts... and two overall. Their entire '09 draft was defense, almost, then they go right back to offense despite not really needing offensive help, save for some OLine reworking that could have been done with later picks, since the line wasn't THAT bad, and the D CLEARLY needed more work). Why can't Denver be the place for all the geriatrics to rejuvenate their careers? What's that you say? That's why the D fell apart at the end of the year on Shanny? Fuck.... wait, what? This new guy is an ego-maniac and fired one of the better DC's in the league? Shit... Wait, they can move the ball up and down the field but have no RZ threat (see 400+ yds passing and 13 points vs Indy). So what has Denver done with those picks? Maybe Cutler wasn't worth all that (it's hard to tell when they're running fire-drills on him every play), but it was, at best, a lateral move.
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On October 05 2010 02:35 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 10:59 Corbie wrote:
GAHAHAHA! In my custom league it's -5 points for a sack. The guy who's starting Cutler is getting a whopping -63 points from him so far. That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 12:24 Ace wrote:
10 sacks on 3 different QBS and 2 knocked out QBs - yea the Bears Offensive line is about to be rightfully held accountable for this one. They are fucking TERRIBLE. The Giants are actually blitzing just about anybody right now, even the popcorn guy in the stands and having success. Fucking people in Chicago are blaming Cutler for that too. I understand that the QB needs to get rid of the ball, and that he fucked up on that last sack... but when you lose your starting and back up QB, and the third one gets his ass smacked around too.... I just don't think it's fair to put any blame on the QB. He should have been throwing it out faster, but the plays (aside from the one obvious miss that took him out of the game) aren't designed to be quick passes. It's not like Cutler can't throw the ball fast, or won't (we saw that he does vs Dallas)... I don't think anyone was open. If he took the advice of all these "experts" they'd be talking about how he had enough time to throw it, but was forcing passes. It's a lose-lose as a Chicago QB. And how the fuck is he supposed to get that game clock running in his head when he can't even count to 1 before he has a defender in his face?
Yep. Most people are just pretty bad, and sadly most "fans" never actually played the game past their backyard romps.
There were only 2 throws where I felt Cutler took way too much time, and when you look at how their offense struggled via the pass you can tell there was nothing down field except 1 or 2 times. The worst part of it all is that this is the same Bears team that had Matt Forte dominating 2 years ago on the ground and now this same guy can't even top 50 yards in a game anymore. Talent at that level doesn't just die off in 2 years after a 1,238 yard rookie season. The receivers can look good under Cutler (look at what he did for Eddie Royal's career in Denver) and they have a great running back. The only problem is the O-line but ESPN "experts" and fans that don't know shit won't address the real problem here. Just blame Cutler for taking 9 sacks even though he did all he could with that shit line to bring them to 3-0.
ETA: and that comment about Orton being better than Cutler just shows how ridiculous fans can be. Cutler wanted out of Denver because he wasn't getting along with management. This wasn't a trade for talent, it was for necessity. That being said, I doubt you'd find many people who would say Kyle Orton is better than Cutler at this point although both of them are on track to being something special.
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On October 04 2010 17:47 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks. I laughed when people were saying "is this the jay cutler the bears traded for?" when is started strong. Then I remembered, its jay cutler. I said it when the traded for jay cutler, and i'll say it again, the broncos had a steal of the century, p.s. the broncos also got 2 first round picks. DA BEARS.
yeah cause you know, its easy to throw the ball with 3 D lineup on your back 2.5 seconds after hike is called? Culter is pretty good when the line is actually blocking, Ortons a decent QB but thats all he will be in Denver.
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On October 05 2010 03:04 nGBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 17:47 zomgtossrush wrote:On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks. I laughed when people were saying "is this the jay cutler the bears traded for?" when is started strong. Then I remembered, its jay cutler. I said it when the traded for jay cutler, and i'll say it again, the broncos had a steal of the century, p.s. the broncos also got 2 first round picks. DA BEARS. yeah cause you know, its easy to throw the ball with 3 D lineup on your back 2.5 seconds after hike is called? Culter is pretty good when the line is actually blocking, Ortons a decent QB but thats all he will be in Denver.
He went from the #1 offensive line in the league in Denver to a subpar/bad line in Chicago. I'd imagine many QBs look fabulous behind an offensive line that gives them minutes to throw, in an offensive system that stretches the field horizontally (Denver was by far #1 in the league when it came to outside runs, as they averaged a whopping 5+ yards per carry on outside runs in Cutler/Shanny's last year).
There were plenty of signs that Cutler was heavily a benefactor of the situation. Most people turned a blind eye, figuring that he was a one-man franchise QB. He may very well be, and it can certainly be said that he has the tools, but with only tools and no other credentials he was nothing more than the QB version of Clinton Portis.
He's given far more leeway than a lot of QBs who put up the numbers he does solely because he was fabulous behind an insane running-game in Denver for a couple of years, throwing to arguably one of the best WRs in the league when he's not being retarded or hurt. Go figure.
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On October 05 2010 03:23 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 03:04 nGBeast wrote:On October 04 2010 17:47 zomgtossrush wrote:On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks. I laughed when people were saying "is this the jay cutler the bears traded for?" when is started strong. Then I remembered, its jay cutler. I said it when the traded for jay cutler, and i'll say it again, the broncos had a steal of the century, p.s. the broncos also got 2 first round picks. DA BEARS. yeah cause you know, its easy to throw the ball with 3 D lineup on your back 2.5 seconds after hike is called? Culter is pretty good when the line is actually blocking, Ortons a decent QB but thats all he will be in Denver. He went from the #1 offensive line in the league in Denver to a subpar/bad line in Chicago. I'd imagine many QBs look fabulous behind an offensive line that gives them minutes to throw, in an offensive system that stretches the field horizontally (Denver was by far #1 in the league when it came to outside runs, as they averaged a whopping 5+ yards per carry on outside runs in Cutler/Shanny's last year). There were plenty of signs that Cutler was heavily a benefactor of the situation. Most people turned a blind eye, figuring that he was a one-man franchise QB. He may very well be, and it can certainly be said that he has the tools, but with only tools and no other credentials he was nothing more than the QB version of Clinton Portis. He's given far more leeway than a lot of QBs who put up the numbers he does solely because he was fabulous behind an insane running-game in Denver for a couple of years, throwing to arguably one of the best WRs in the league when he's not being retarded or hurt. Go figure.
A lot of people questioned whether he made Marshall, or Marshall made him. He didn't go to just a bad OLine, it's probably the worst in the league.
That said, most QB's struggle when they have no running game, no real threats at WR, and no offensive line... in fact, none of them succeed with all three of those things working against them. Peyton Manning works with no running game, but his OLine is still one of the best in the league. Though they're slipping up this year, he was sacked 10 times last season. By comparison, Chicago just gave up 10 sacks in a single game. Some of that is on the QB's, some of that is on the play calling, and some of that is on the WR's not getting open. It's not entirely their fault, but mostly. There aren't a lot of teams that are capable of not running, but throwing extremely well. The teams that are good at doing that, have some of the best pass blockers in the league (see Denver and Ryan Clady, SD and McNeil, Saints and their whole OLine, Colts see Saints). There are a couple anomalies, like Dallas, whose OLine can neither run block nor pass block well, but they have three #1 WR's on that team, and one of the best TE's to boot. What do the Bears have? Olsen, Forte, and Cutler.
So, I'm just being long-winded in saying that for any QB to succeed he needs good talent around him, and the Bears have none of that. If you don't have a great line, you need great WR's. If you don't have great WR's, you need a great line. If you have neither of those, you're screwed.
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Must be a lot of Cutler fans on this board. But hey, I guess Super Bowl winning coach Mike Ditka is a clueless fan, too.
Cutler is overrated. He put up numbers behind what was then the best offensive line in the entire league in Denver. The O-line in Chicago is terrible right now but Cutler hasn't shown that he can do anything behind an above average O-line, either. He has only shown that he can put up numbers when his O-line is the clear-cut no. 1 in the entire league. And he still managed to throw so many interceptions then.
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CHIEFS! Last undefeated team in the NFL. If you had told me that before the season, I would have called you insane.
RE: Cutler, I agree with SweeTLemonS, and if you watched that game I think it's hard not to. In at least some of the situations (I'm not sure without game tape, but I remember disagreeing with the half time guys about this) he had open receivers, but they were well short of the needed yardage for a first down. Yeah, he's holding the ball a long time, but he's forced to by the fact that his options are: a dump down-->punt, throw into coverage-->int, or hold the ball hoping someone gets open before the Giants run a train on you.
I also think that Martz did Cutler a diservice by calling passing play after passing play. After a few sacks, he should have gotten the clue that the line couldn't stop them, and that he was getting his guy killed. The game was still close in the first half, you could have been running the ball. The Bears averaged 3.7 yards a carry in that game, which admittedly isn't great, but it's better than getting your QBs murdered.
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On October 05 2010 04:09 andrewlt wrote:
Must be a lot of Cutler fans on this board. But hey, I guess Super Bowl winning coach Mike Ditka is a clueless fan, too.
Cutler is overrated. He put up numbers behind what was then the best offensive line in the entire league in Denver. The O-line in Chicago is terrible right now but Cutler hasn't shown that he can do anything behind an above average O-line, either. He has only shown that he can put up numbers when his O-line is the clear-cut no. 1 in the entire league. And he still managed to throw so many interceptions then.
Actually I think most people are just realistic instead of talking out of their ass.
I mean why didn't you also mention that while throwing interceptions he's also thrown a ton of TD passes and has a solid completion percentage? How about the fact that he made Eddie Royal relevant? He somehow made it to 3600 yards his first year in Chicago with no Tier 1, hell even Tier 2 receiver.
If you're so smart then name a QB with a bad O-line, no running game and average receivers that has ever been successful?
Seriously why do people hate this guy so much? I'm not even a big Bears fan but this is just alarming. Are you also going to call Peyton Manning terrible because he threw a good amount of interceptions starting out too?
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On October 05 2010 04:19 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 04:09 andrewlt wrote:
Must be a lot of Cutler fans on this board. But hey, I guess Super Bowl winning coach Mike Ditka is a clueless fan, too.
Cutler is overrated. He put up numbers behind what was then the best offensive line in the entire league in Denver. The O-line in Chicago is terrible right now but Cutler hasn't shown that he can do anything behind an above average O-line, either. He has only shown that he can put up numbers when his O-line is the clear-cut no. 1 in the entire league. And he still managed to throw so many interceptions then. Actually I think most people are just realistic instead of talking out of their ass. I mean why didn't you also mention that while throwing interceptions he's also thrown a ton of TD passes and has a solid completion percentage? How about the fact that he made Eddie Royal relevant? He somehow made it to 3600 yards his first year in Chicago with no Tier 1, hell even Tier 2 receiver. If you're so smart then name a QB with a bad O-line, no running game and average receivers that has ever been successful? Seriously why do people hate this guy so much? I'm not even a big Bears fan but this is just alarming. Are you also going to call Peyton Manning terrible because he threw a good amount of interceptions starting out too?
People hate him because he successfully negotiated his way out of Denver, albeit in an ugly manner. People, for whatever reason, don't like seeing players win vs ownership. It's because of the amount of money they make, I think, because their argument is always "If I made that much money, I wouldn't complain about anything," but that's a completely unrealistic complaint. The only reason they say that is because they're unskilled, and will never make a lot of money, so a high salary is a blessing to them, whereas to a guy that makes millions, it's just his salary and there are other factors that go into his job. It's like a bum saying "man, if I made 50k a year, I'd never complain about anything." There's a lot more to consider than what a guy makes, and because people don't make that much (see: are jealous), they get mad when a guy isn't completely content with his situation, as if money were the only thing that mattered.
The people that do make good money and say the same things have this weird sense of loyalty to an organization, as if players owe the organization something. This profession is no different than any other profession from a player's stand point; it's different from a business stand point because you get locked into contracts. If you're unhappy at your job, you look for a new one. Looking for a new job is requesting a trade in the NFL. The thing is, there is only one NFL, so quitting and finding a new job in the same field isn't really an option for players. When a team's management decides to make moves that will necessarily effect players, the players have every right to want out of that situation. That was the Cutler situation in a nutshell.
I'll concede to what Southlight was saying, to a degree, but no QB would succeed in Chicago right now, not even Peyton Manning, who has a knack for making every WR on the planet look like an all-star (who is this White guy? He's pissing me off, stealing catches from Wayne. And I don't mean Collie, this guy's last name is White). I have, very seriously, yet to see a criticism against Cutler and the Bears that really holds up against everything. No, he's not perfect, and maybe he's not as good as he looked in Denver, but people take that way too far, imo.
And as good as Ditka was, and as much as every Bears fan loves him... he places an unwarranted amount of blame on QB's. He always has. Jim McMahon hated him for that, and so did every QB that ever played under him. He's a hard ass, and he knows football, but that doesn't mean he's always right. I would be far more interested in Troy Aikman's take on him, or Steve Young's take, or a ton of other people's opinions over Ditka's on any QB. I'm sure we'll get Young's opinion tonight (wanted or not). I would not, however, like to hear Jaws's opinion, because he exaggerates pretty much everything. He said, for instance, 26 of 27 INT's were Cutler's fault last year... not really, Jaws... not really. Off the top of my head I can think of two that weren't his fault [Knox stopped his route vs GB in game one, in another game he was throwing to a TE whose closest defender was about seven yards behind him. The defender jumped at the pass, committed a PI that was not called, and got the pick. Any other QB would have been excused on that, but Cutler was not], and if I looked back over them, I know I saw more... though I think probably a good 17 were on him.
Seriously, Andy (I hope you hate that name), pull your head out of your ass.
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Virtually ever QB regarded as halfway decent would have gotten hammered in the game last night. That line was complete and utter shit. The only one that, off the top of my head, was absolutely Cutler's fault was the one where he got murdered by the DB on a zone blitz. But even then, they showed backfield cam and not one receiver was anywhere near ready for a ball when he got popped (kind of peculiar, I thought Martz was all timing routes) He just finished his drop back!! Every other one besides that, he'd drop back and before he even completes his drop, guys are in the backfield from the edge, on the inside (the RG, i think it was him, is absolutely terrible) or whereever.
Even beyond the line, the talent in that offense is a joke. Hester is utter shit. The dude should not be anything more that a #2 dude, or probably slot guy, since that's more his playstyle. Forte's, I can't tell if he's shit or it's that line. Olsen is the only halfway decent player at all. Chester Taylor's best days are behind him.
If Cutler is guilty of anything, it's trying to do too much when his team gets in a hole. He's totally got Brett Favre-itis in that he thinks he can throw through everything, but he's actually got the skills to be good if he's with a halfway decent team. He's not great or anything (at least not now) but he's absolutely better than average. It doesn't help that they brought on Martz, who loooooves to throw the ball, and they don't have any personnel for that kind of gameplay. Fuck, their best pass option is the TE and Martz only uses those for blocking.
Like southlight said, it is worth noting that Denver's ridiculous line during his years there and Shanny's playcalling could mask up a lot of stuff. Marshall and that run game helps a lot too. But all that considered, I watch entirely too much football and I saw him play a bunch of times while on Denver. I never looked at him and thought 'Man, that's a mediocre QB protected by a great team/great playcalling' like I do when I see Sanchez play or someone like that.
On October 04 2010 17:47 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 13:47 LuckyFool wrote:
Jay Cutler finished with a score of -14 points in my main money league.
-9 points for 9 sacks, -3 pts for INT and -2 pts for fumble. lolololol.
And somebody started him too, it wasn't like he was a terrible starting option going into the game the Bears offense had been doing alright if not very well in earlier weeks. I laughed when people were saying "is this the jay cutler the bears traded for?" when is started strong. Then I remembered, its jay cutler. I said it when the traded for jay cutler, and i'll say it again, the broncos had a steal of the century, p.s. the broncos also got 2 first round picks. DA BEARS.
Anything but. Moreano was a bit too high (he's at least talented though) and I will probably never stop laughing at Tebow goign anywhere near the first. The Bears certainly overpaid, but it's not like Denver did a whole lot with what they got. You wanna talk steals, that's what Chargers did to the Giants in 04 with Manning. They got the better QB, a good (but juiced) LB and a top notch kicker. I'm sure some dipshit NYG fan will come in here and say that the Ring somehow validates what I'm saying, but there was nothing that Eli did during the run that Rivers couldn't do.
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Shit, out of all the QBs after the holy trinity of Brady, Brees and Manning Rivers and Aaron Rodgers are the next set of young talent you just know are cut out to be absolute monsters.
Kind of more sold on Rivers because after Antonio Gates what the fuck does he have left? Malcolm Floyd isn't even a top level receiver...yet.
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I think if they had even a top 50 WR it wouldn't be as bad, with a middle of the road line. Instead, they have both the worst WR corps in the league, AND the worst offensive line in the league. But, imo, this is what separates smart football fans from run-of-the-mill football fans. The ability to diagnose an issue beyond the surface level.
A nice email that was sent to our sports radio station in Chicago:
I’m curious to see if Lovie Smith sticks to his guns this week bycontinuing to hold his players accountable for poor performance.
Was Dez Clark inactive last night for dropping that TD pass in the Packers game? If not, I’m confused as to why he was scratched. Isn’t he our best tight end? One who can block, catch, and remain onside until the ball is snapped…
Is he going to be in Lovie’s doghouse as long as Aromashadu? Is there room for Manumaleuna’s fat-ass in that doghouse?
BTW – Greg Olsen is dead to me… trade him for a 5th or 6th round draft choice and start searching for the next Lance Louis..
Doomsday. The Rapture. D-Day. Any of these words are sufficient to describe what happened yesterday. The looming specter of this inadequate offensive line composed primarily of journeymen and late round projects finally showed its ugly face last night in front of the entire country to watch. To his credit, Angelo knew that Martz+Bad Offensive linemen was a recipe for disaster but yet again he wielded more power to Lovie the Liberian and gave him his stubborn pass happy coordinator in Martz and his prized free agent target in Peppers.
The process was never in the best interests of Cutler as Lovie knows well that his high risk/high reward system shortens the lives of QB’s. Like we said in February, Martz was a last minute stimulus package singed off by a coaching staff that was panicking and had no foundation to offer other potential coordinators who never considered the job. The aquisition of Cutler himself was a decision by Angelo to save his ass by getting a talented QB almost as to say to Bears fans, ” see look! we now have a QB, now you have no reason to complain”.
Is this the final indictment of Jerry Angelo? Will this be the impetus for his inevitable firing?
I’m keen on listening to your show today but unfortunately I’m quite sure the majority of calls today will be coming from slack jawed suburban rubes who will spout off their credentials as being a bears fan for 50 years and will then proceed to question Cutler’s toughness, the same way many suggested that Urlacher should have worn a cast last year.
Well all knew this was going to happen and it’s unfortunate for Culter but at least the guy got his contract.
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I got Rivers in each of my leagues I think. He's gonna be a 30td, 4k passer each year, book it. The dude is NASTY. He and Rodgers will be the Brady-Manning for the next generation. They're both that damn good.
I love Rodgers, but it's hard to compare them right now. He has a much better supporting cast, but I'm quite sure it wouldn't matter with him. He just directs the whole field so smoothly. It's amazing how much Rivers gets out of that shit ass line and lack of a running game the past two years. Jackson's good, Gates is great, I think Floyd is actually pretty good. But GB's got a leg up virtually everywhere but TE.
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On October 05 2010 04:57 Hawk wrote:
I got Rivers in each of my leagues I think. He's gonna be a 30td, 4k passer each year, book it. The dude is NASTY. He and Rodgers will be the Brady-Manning for the next generation. They're both that damn good.
I love Rodgers, but it's hard to compare them right now. He has a much better supporting cast, but I'm quite sure it wouldn't matter with him. He just directs the whole field so smoothly. It's amazing how much Rivers gets out of that shit ass line and lack of a running game the past two years. Jackson's good, Gates is great, I think Floyd is actually pretty good. But GB's got a leg up virtually everywhere but TE.
Rivers's line can't run block, but they aren't a shit line. They just can't run block. They gave up 26 sacks last year, good for sixth place in the NFL.
Rodgers is absolutely better than Rivers.
I think we can see a couple more guys coming up in the next couple of years, as well. I think that Matt Ryan will be a consistent Tier2 QB. Like 22-25 TD's and about 4k yds. I think Bradford is going to be fucking nasty too. He's got no talent at WR, and a bad line, and he's in his rookie year, and the dude is looking SICK. It's not just the throws, but he controls the field with his eyes like he's been playing for ten years. He is, beyond a doubt, the most impressive rookie QB I've seen in years.
Also, agreed that Ryan is not on the same level as Rodgers/Rivers yet. I did say he'd be tier 2 though.
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I forgot about Matt Ryan, but I dont think he's in the same level yet as Rivers/Rodgers yet. Cutler has the potential obviously but after last night I'm not sure he'll ever be the same.
Also Green Bay may not have a Tight End of Gates Caliber but Jermichael Finely is looking beastly so far.
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