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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
January 20 2011 22:57 GMT
#4581
Is he still actually good? This is a serious question I have no idea
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 20 2011 22:58 GMT
#4582
Champ had a bit of a resurgence this year, actually. He's still a top 5 CB, probably, but his age is a definite deterrence.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
January 20 2011 23:03 GMT
#4583
yea standard stats don't do cornerbacks justice, and standard stats show him being way down, but it could just be that no one threw at him so he never got picks, and his passes defended seemed down a bit too from his peak
Looking for more complicated stuff like yards given up or td's allowed takes more time and isn't necessarily that helpful either ><
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 20 2011 23:14 GMT
#4584
On January 20 2011 12:21 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 11:06 Ferrose wrote:
Lol, the 7-9 Seahawks get the 25th pick.

Winning the game against the Rams week 17 totally hosed their draft pick. If they had lost that game, the would have been #8.



Why is that a bad thing? I don't think the #8 pick is as bad as the #1 but picks in the #20s have good value. Are you all assuming the NFL would have a way better rookie scale after the draft?

For background info, there's an excellent excerpt in SI about the value of top picks. The jist is that higher draft choices, especially the #1 pick, only pan out a little bit more often than slightly lower picks but get paid a lot more. The #25 should be almost as good as the #8 but will cost a lot less.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 01:36:27
January 21 2011 01:29 GMT
#4585
On January 21 2011 05:08 Cryogenic wrote:
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On January 20 2011 11:12 Ferrose wrote:
I just saw this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6037397

Wtf. $200 to sit on the grass OUTSIDE the stadium and watch on a screen on the side of it?

Edit: And you have to pay for four tickets. Jesus.


This is an absolute bargain compared with tickets to get in to the stadium (range from 1-6 grand a ticket). With that being said, most would rather be IN the stadium then out.


Still, paying $200 to sit on the grass is a ripoff. I could just go to the local park and set up a projector with a sheet between two trees and have the same thing for free.

Granted, I'd be sitting in the snow when it's like 5 degrees and freeze my ass off, but I doubt that an early February night in Arlington is going to be 75 degrees.
On January 21 2011 08:14 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 12:21 Qatol wrote:
On January 20 2011 11:06 Ferrose wrote:
Lol, the 7-9 Seahawks get the 25th pick.

Winning the game against the Rams week 17 totally hosed their draft pick. If they had lost that game, the would have been #8.



Why is that a bad thing? I don't think the #8 pick is as bad as the #1 but picks in the #20s have good value. Are you all assuming the NFL would have a way better rookie scale after the draft?

For background info, there's an excellent excerpt in SI about the value of top picks. The jist is that higher draft choices, especially the #1 pick, only pan out a little bit more often than slightly lower picks but get paid a lot more. The #25 should be almost as good as the #8 but will cost a lot less.


Think about it. Wouldn't you want to pick 17 spots earlier? It means WAY less of a chance that the guy you want is taken.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Shindou
Profile Joined September 2010
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 04:30:40
January 21 2011 04:26 GMT
#4586
what real fan would want that? maybe if you were looking at it frmo an outside perspective, but anyone who calls themselves a fan and would rather see their team lose to division rivals and not make the playoffs especially for a home game is the definition of a bitch

not even just a division rival and everything else - just wanting your team to lose for a chance on a draft pick. that's retarded and you really arent a fan in the first place, and im sure you're not a seahawks fan so i get where you're coming from, but that mentality seriously sucks. you gotta stay behind your team and hope they win no matter what
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 04:52:01
January 21 2011 04:47 GMT
#4587
I can see people wanting to lose for draft picks if their team is abysmal. The Seattle thing seems kind of nuts to me though. The Seahawks winning would get them into the playoffs, and from there who knows what could happen. No one certainly expected them to beat the Saints. Sure the odds of them winning the SB would be microscopic, but you gotta try anyway. It's also not like the seahawks are missing THAT many pieces where a draft would effect much.

If they were like 3-12 going into the game, however, I'd be all for them losing. The goal of FB is to win the SB, I don't give a crap if my teams shitty players and coach want a useless win to make them feel fuzzy for a day. Get a better pick and try to stop sucking. Rebuilding is in order.

Not that I'm saying I'd want the team itself to feel that way... but as an outside follower I'd prefer a certain outcome.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
January 21 2011 05:07 GMT
#4588
On January 21 2011 07:57 KOFgokuon wrote:
Is he still actually good? This is a serious question I have no idea


All I know is, this season any time a team would go against the Broncos, their #1 WR would get basically no fantasy points (except for Bowe's one fluke garbage time fest), mostly attributed to Bailey.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 21 2011 06:40 GMT
#4589
I'm kinda confused. Apparently Santonio Holmes says that this game is personal. I'd be pissed too if I was a star receiver who got traded for a fifth round pick, but he says it was a smack in the face. What he did wasn't a smack in the face? The guy's a fucking idiot for getting suspended for drug use.

If we win the Super Bowl, then everything is personal. That's a slap back in those guys' face for trading me.


Source

Thoughts?
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 21 2011 09:26 GMT
#4590
Players always try to get a chip on their shoulder, and I'd have to agree him for a 5th rounder (!!) was kinda bizarre. It was mostly for his off-field shit though if I remember correctly? Either way I'm not surprised he feels that way I'm fine with it, too.
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turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
January 21 2011 12:06 GMT
#4591
It was largely for off the field stuff. It was also largely due to the fact that his contract is up after this season and the Steelers dont typically pay big money to WRs. I agree, you'd think they could have gotten more than a 5th, basically a sixth round pick for him. However, we're not in that room, so who knows. If all they were asking was a fifth, I'd imagine more teams would have been in on it and they would have likely sent him to the NFC if they had options.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 21 2011 17:24 GMT
#4592
On January 21 2011 21:06 turamn wrote:
It was largely for off the field stuff. It was also largely due to the fact that his contract is up after this season and the Steelers dont typically pay big money to WRs. I agree, you'd think they could have gotten more than a 5th, basically a sixth round pick for him. However, we're not in that room, so who knows. If all they were asking was a fifth, I'd imagine more teams would have been in on it and they would have likely sent him to the NFC if they had options.


At the same time though, at least they traded him to a contender. It's not like they traded him to Denver or something where he'd lose in every game.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 17:29:22
January 21 2011 17:27 GMT
#4593
I don't know that the "contender" factor has anything to do with it. They were probably the best offer on the table. The Steelers don't typically trade players very much. Rooney's were clearly looking to make an example of him. I think if there was a better offer from a non contending team, that's where he'd be right now.

EDIT: Just for the record, I am a big Holmes fan. He is big time clutch and is absolutely ridiculous. I was pretty sad when they actually traded him, seeing as I never thought it would happen, particularly for such a menial return.

I particularly hope he just doesn't leave a mark this weekend.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 21 2011 17:28 GMT
#4594
On January 22 2011 02:24 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 21:06 turamn wrote:
It was largely for off the field stuff. It was also largely due to the fact that his contract is up after this season and the Steelers dont typically pay big money to WRs. I agree, you'd think they could have gotten more than a 5th, basically a sixth round pick for him. However, we're not in that room, so who knows. If all they were asking was a fifth, I'd imagine more teams would have been in on it and they would have likely sent him to the NFC if they had options.


At the same time though, at least they traded him to a contender. It's not like they traded him to Denver or something where he'd lose in every game.

Denver wouldn't have taken him. Under McDaniels, they wanted "high character" players.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 21 2011 17:29 GMT
#4595
On January 22 2011 02:28 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 02:24 Ferrose wrote:
On January 21 2011 21:06 turamn wrote:
It was largely for off the field stuff. It was also largely due to the fact that his contract is up after this season and the Steelers dont typically pay big money to WRs. I agree, you'd think they could have gotten more than a 5th, basically a sixth round pick for him. However, we're not in that room, so who knows. If all they were asking was a fifth, I'd imagine more teams would have been in on it and they would have likely sent him to the NFC if they had options.


At the same time though, at least they traded him to a contender. It's not like they traded him to Denver or something where he'd lose in every game.

Denver wouldn't have taken him. Under McDaniels, they wanted "high character" players.


Well, I was just giving an example of a bad team. At least on the Jets he's in position to win another Super Bowl.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 17:33:04
January 21 2011 17:32 GMT
#4596
On January 22 2011 02:28 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 02:24 Ferrose wrote:
On January 21 2011 21:06 turamn wrote:
It was largely for off the field stuff. It was also largely due to the fact that his contract is up after this season and the Steelers dont typically pay big money to WRs. I agree, you'd think they could have gotten more than a 5th, basically a sixth round pick for him. However, we're not in that room, so who knows. If all they were asking was a fifth, I'd imagine more teams would have been in on it and they would have likely sent him to the NFC if they had options.


At the same time though, at least they traded him to a contender. It's not like they traded him to Denver or something where he'd lose in every game.

Denver wouldn't have taken him. Under McDaniels, they wanted "high character" players.


I think his point was just to highlight that he didn't go to a poor team like Denver. I don't know that the rebuilding teams would even want to send a pick out for him, seeing as he's going to command huge money this offseason ( barring the lockout ). So they are basically sending a way a vital pick for rebuilding away to a guy that's going to tie up a significant chunk of cap, or walk.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 21 2011 17:36 GMT
#4597
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpps/sports/fantasy-football-champ-didnt-have-home-computer-dpgonc-20110120-gc_11521747

Holy shit. I wanna know who was on his team. And how the hell he managed to get AP, Arian Foster, Dwayne Bowe, and Brandon Lloyd.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Shindou
Profile Joined September 2010
United States120 Posts
January 21 2011 17:48 GMT
#4598
Bowe was horrible at the start of the season and you could buy low for him. You could get foster for a reasonable deal til week 3, and week 7 n 13 people were selling Lloyd for reasonable offers. Trading AP or any top 5 pick is pretty dumb unless you're addressing injuries.

"He has reportedly sold the gift card to his mother for $2,500 and intends to use the cash to help move his family into a new apartment."

What a nice guy LOL
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 21 2011 18:00 GMT
#4599
On January 22 2011 02:48 Shindou wrote:
Bowe was horrible at the start of the season and you could buy low for him. You could get foster for a reasonable deal til week 3, and week 7 n 13 people were selling Lloyd for reasonable offers. Trading AP or any top 5 pick is pretty dumb unless you're addressing injuries.

"He has reportedly sold the gift card to his mother for $2,500 and intends to use the cash to help move his family into a new apartment."

What a nice guy LOL


Seems more sensible to me. If he had a house, I think he'd definitely take the gift card. I mean, a new laptop means nothing if you don't have a house.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Shindou
Profile Joined September 2010
United States120 Posts
January 21 2011 18:08 GMT
#4600
I misread it thinking he was helping his mom move too
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