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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:50 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Man that guy is a fucking idiot, I'd like to punch his face in. I don't think that the Eagles make that comeback without Vick. They'd be a decent team, but they wouldn't be in contention for the #2 seed, imo, and I think a lot of people agree. Still, I tend to agree with Brady for MVP this year, despite the deep-seeded disdain I have for him. No, I agree that Vick gives them a better start on a day to day basis with that team, because I think a lot of so-so line play is masked by his ability to just shit on linemen and LBs. I always said that from the start. My beef with starting Kolb was that I thought Vick was a stopgap whose legs made him the better start for a iffy line and that Kolb is ultimately the franchise's future and should get the experience in his 4th yeare. They didn't make a comeback of any kind really. They were a good, but aging team last year that just lost its defensive coordinator, who was a huge part of the team's success for the past decade or so. While one major question how big of a drop off will there be from Donovann to whomever, there were also big time issues about the defense being in transition in regard to overall personnel, age and new coordinators. The line, if I recall, was also viewed as a question mark. All of those things are not issues right now. While Vick is having a really good season, it's not as if a Kolb-led team would go 6-10 with the team as a whole playing as well as it has. ' And that is a damn fine analysis of the Giant collapse, haha. Coughlin's such a moron, I've thought that for years and I still think that his SB win was really in spite of his terrible coaching and the complete lack of discipline that entire team had. I also think that the Giants secondary, while above average, maybe good, is still really, really overrated. They are very much a product of a ridiculous pass rush and front 7. | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/23370/mike-shanahan-has-lost-a-step | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.savethegophers.com/sa/var/albums/ryanfoot.gif?m=1293042672) the media is brutal http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-and-videos/videos/1222-Coach-Ryan-News-Conference/4bf0cc92-ea5a-4bd8-875d-5519db5416c1 | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
He's having a fantastic season, and he is a big part of the eagles offensive success. He deserves his pro bowl spot, comeback player of the year award, and whatever additional middling honors the league wants to shower him with, but he's going to come back down to earth. It might not be this year, or even next year, but he is not going to be this good ever again. Probably not even half this good. I wonder if you guys thought Brett Favre was legit last year too? Also I agree with Hawk on Coughlin. His SB bought him a few years leeway, but he's always been a doomed coach in my mind. His one saving grace is his running scheme, which is always very good, but everything else he touches reeks of incompetence and failure. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
The Giants are the team I end up seeing most often and hear most analyzed. Pretty consistently under Coughlin, they've always been a team that succeeds if the original gameplan works. But the second there's adversity that requires the players to man up and the coaches to adjust (figure out how to stop Vick's running, what to do if the run game stops working, etc) they fall apart almost every time. More often than not, I feel that Giant wins are a product of a well crafted team by the GM and not astute coaching. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On December 23 2010 05:08 Hawk wrote: And that is a damn fine analysis of the Giant collapse, haha. Coughlin's such a moron, I've thought that for years and I still think that his SB win was really in spite of his terrible coaching and the complete lack of discipline that entire team had. I also think that the Giants secondary, while above average, maybe good, is still really, really overrated. They are very much a product of a ridiculous pass rush and front 7. The best part (though in all honestly, there was nothing remotely good about it) about the Giants winning the Super Bowl is that towards the middle and end of the season, there was talk about firing Coughlin after the season. Instead, they pull out a fucking Eggsmas miracle and win it all and Coughlin is rewarded with a huge contract. Makes me sick. 21 million over 4 years. One of the highest paid coaches. Ugh. | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On December 23 2010 06:30 Hawk wrote: More often than not, I feel that Giant wins are a product of a well crafted team by the GM and not astute coaching. To be honest I feel this way about the Eagles too, though to his credit Reid does have a lot more input into the GM type decisions than most coaches. He's good at a lot of things, but he pretty consistently throws close games away due boneheaded game management decisions. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
Jersey/A has a highly rated passing defense. Make Vick try to throw against a shell; don't megablitz and offer a free long gain. As Jackson entered the end zone, Coughlin ran onto the field to scream at Dodge. OK, he had made a mistake. He was hardly the only Giants player or coach to make a bad mistake during the meltdown. But he's a rookie punter, the most expendable guy on the roster -- so Coughlin screamed at him at center field to make sure everyone got the message that the rookie punter, not any highly paid coach, was to blame. Top part: The Giants pass D is highly rated because of their pass rush, not because they have a great secondary. One player out of position in a C2 or C3 scheme results in the same big plays that the blitzes gave up, and, given that their secondary just isn't that good, it's entirely possible that someone would have made a mistake. It's hard to say that playing a prevent-type difference would have saved the day. And there's no guarantee that Bradshaw or Jacobs don't put the ball on the ground while trying to gain yards, or that Eli doesn't make another retarded decision and gives the defense a score instead. If they had forced them to nickel and dime, and they still lost, everyone would say they should have blitzed, because it was working earlier. It's easy to second guess coaching decisions when they happen, but it worked for three quarters. The calls weren't even that bad, they were mistakes made by the players. That 33 yard run that Vick had to the left came because the DB went inside and gave Vick a running lane. Had he stayed in his gap, Vick would have had no where to go. So the call wasn't the issue, it was the execution. The forty-yard dash he had was a result of a missed tackle, poor in form. If that guy stays planted instead of launching and trying to kill Vick, he probably would have AT LEAST slowed him down, or forced him to the side. Instead, he left his feet, and Vick went under him. Any coach would have yelled at the punter when they told them to punt out of bounds. A 30 yard punt would have been sufficient vs a team with ~8 seconds after the punt, and no timeouts. But maybe this guy is right... maybe Akers kicks a 64 yard FG to win the game, and everyone asks why they didn't kick it deeper. Or, maybe they go into OT, because they'd make an open field tackle, or force time to run out. Then again, if the entire punt coverage wasn't blown, they would have been fine too. Coughlin made the emotional reaction that anyone would have made. EVERYONE'S first thought was "why did he not kick out of bounds?" It was only after watching the replays on ESPN that anyone said "oh shit, the coverage was completely blown." And even so, that entire situation is avoided if the guy doesn't kick to him. It's also avoided if the Eagles players made some better tackles on defense. That fourth quarter was a complete failure from the top down. The coaches probably should have backed off the blitzing after the first run or two from Vick, and the players should have executed the plays that were called better, because they weren't necessarily bad calls. But people feel this fervent desire to assign blame to a particular being, when the fact of the matter is, the entire team failed in the fourth quarter. Maybe the Giants offense could have scored again, maybe Eli could have thrown some better passes on their last drive? A lot of things could have been done differently, it starts with the coaches, but the players needed to make plays and utterly failed. They didn't make a comeback of any kind really. They were a good, but aging team last year that just lost its defensive coordinator, who was a huge part of the team's success for the past decade or so. While one major question how big of a drop off will there be from Donovann to whomever, there were also big time issues about the defense being in transition in regard to overall personnel, age and new coordinators. The line, if I recall, was also viewed as a question mark. I was obviously talking about the comeback vs the Giants. On December 23 2010 07:46 Aquafresh wrote: To be honest I feel this way about the Eagles too, though to his credit Reid does have a lot more input into the GM type decisions than most coaches. He's good at a lot of things, but he pretty consistently throws close games away due boneheaded game management decisions. The same thing can be said in regards to most teams. The same complaints are made about the Bears all the time. The Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Saints, and maybe the Falcons are the few that most would agree are not purely because of talent. Andy Reid is, perhaps, the worst game manager I have ever seen, and quite possibly the luckiest coach of all time. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
And the dude pretty much resurrected Vick's career, by being one of a few people willing to give him an opportunity, and then by calling nothing short of great games for him. Pretty much every other coach either tried forcing Vick to be a pure pocket passer or went the Mora route and let him do whatever the hell he wanted, which creates chaos. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
 Chargers might not even make playoffs so that's definitely out of the picture. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
Andy Reid is a fantastic offensive coordinator, and a great QB coach. He fails miserably at some of the main duties of a head coach. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14900 Posts
*edit* eh, and his inability to draft a runningback that could pound out tough years during Mcnabb's prime. You can only depend on Correll Buckhalter's ACL's for so many years before realizing that they're going to snap every other year To be fair, the year that mcnabb got hurt w/ the sports hernia (2005? 2006?) and garcia took over, Reid decided to have a balanced offense, and we went to the NFC championship. Generally he may be stubborn but he's learned to be more flexible over the years imo | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On December 23 2010 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: I only have two complaints about andy reid over the last 10 years: late game clock management and the inability to throw the challenge flag when he should *edit* eh, and his inability to draft a runningback that could pound out tough years during Mcnabb's prime. You can only depend on Correll Buckhalter's ACL's for so many years before realizing that they're going to snap every other year To be fair, the year that mcnabb got hurt w/ the sports hernia (2005? 2006?) and garcia took over, Reid decided to have a balanced offense, and we went to the NFC championship. Generally he may be stubborn but he's learned to be more flexible over the years imo The fucked up thing is that he went right back to putting everything on McNabb the next season. If only he had learned his lessons by around, idk, say the '03 season? | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14900 Posts
On December 23 2010 09:24 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: The fucked up thing is that he went right back to putting everything on McNabb the next season. If only he had learned his lessons by around, idk, say the '03 season? yea, unfortunately the team has been in transition for a while, aging defense, aging line, kept having to replace personnel, they got burned by the TO signing and that made them not want to go for another big time playmaker like that on offense, which unfortunately killed the team for years. Back to predictable rink-a-dink offense with a QB that regularly threw balls straight into the ground | ||
GTR
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
On December 23 2010 09:24 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: The fucked up thing is that he went right back to putting everything on McNabb the next season. If only he had learned his lessons by around, idk, say the '03 season? I don't necessarily think it's bad if it works, but the problem was that when McNabb had a bad day, everyone had a bad day. Westie was good, but he was never a guy that could consistently carry a team on the ground if necessary. Even in those two years he was really good, he was a dual threat back more than a pure runner that can do it all day even with 8 in the box | ||
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Sadist
United States7322 Posts
Their profile is TOO funny. | ||
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