World of Tanks - Page 43

On May 13 2013 19:59 m4inbrain wrote:


I actually did not. Do you see the nametag above my post? Feel free to check it. Voila, there's your comparsion. I'm not flaming people and hide behide a different nick. Also i did not tell you to "grow the fuck up", bad boy, i told you that you're acting childish. I assume you're grown up.



They can use premium ammo if they want to. Premium ammo WAS pay to win, and they changed it. Gold consumables, well, they are pay to win, but the advantage is so small that you will never be able to win a match just due to the fact that you have gold consumables on bord. If you actually think so, think again.

XP Conversion pay to win? So it's an advantage for me over you if i can jump horrid tincans like the M3 Lee whereas you have to grind through it?

Try to get the difference between "advantage" and "convinient". It's more comfortable to jump the M3 Lee, You have to grind it, cry me a river if you want, but thats not "arguably pay to win", its just you being pissed off that i dont have to if i dont want to. I still dont win a match because of that though.

About premium ammo: you can use certain kinds of tanks (KV-1 comes to mind) who print money even without premiumaccount. Just to sustain gold-ammo-usage on other, bigger tanks. Someone who buys goldammo with money doesnt. That's the difference. You have to invest way more time for the same advantages (except minor stuff like consumables) - but you can have them if you want to. If youre a cheapskate or a bum, well, too bad. Feel free to be jelly of people that dont have to invest weeks to grind up on credits, still no pay to win.

And please, don't try to sell me now that the consumables are important or a huge advantage, I played way too much with them (and in other times, without them, topic clanwars), not buying it.

On May 13 2013 20:08 Zealos wrote:
You can't buy premium ammo with credits though can you?

It only shows it with gold for me o.O

On May 13 2013 20:09 manloveman wrote:


Yes you can. And it is the worst thing that ever happened to this game.

On May 13 2013 20:12 Zealos wrote:

How? Is it only on certain tanks or tiers?

On May 13 2013 20:12 Zealos wrote:

How? Is it only on certain tanks or tiers?

On May 13 2013 20:09 manloveman wrote:


So telling someone to grow up is a flame, but telling someone they are childish is not? Doesn't make much sense.

About gold ammo. You still don't get it. When you grind credits on the kv-1, you do not print credits if you use gold ammo. Therefore you cannot use gold ammo all the time, since the time you grind credits you cannot use gold ammo. Aka I have clear advantage over a f2p player.

And yes, being able to skip junk-mobiles like the m3 is pay 2 win. Since it is shit. But that is not the major point of free xp. It is being able to skip shitty guns and engines at higher tiers.

I'm not selling you anything about consumables. You already said it yourself. They are p2w.

On May 13 2013 20:36 Arevall wrote:
Is there a way to see what kind of ammo and/or gun someone shot you with?

On May 13 2013 20:26 m4inbrain wrote:


You don't need to have gold ammo on the KV-1. That's the whole point which you're not able to see seemingly. You're not playing the KV-1 for fun, you're playing it to sustain other tanks. I thought that is clear, if you want to MAKE money, you don't spend it. That's the difference between premium and nonpremium. I dont have to grind to sustain my playstyle. Nonpremiumusers do. You have to WORK for the same advantages other players get when they invest money, but you STILL get them. Other games don't have that option, check Star Trek Online as a prime example for that. Also, having a gun early on a tank due to free xp just means i don't have to grind it. I still don't have an advantage over you, since you can get the gun anyway. You have an E-75, just like me. Do i have an advantage now, because i played premium and unlocked everything with free XP? You drive the same tank as i do. No advantage.

The fact that you consider jumping shit-tanks like the M3 pay 2 win shows me that you have no idea what pay to win actually is. I get to the Sherman/T1 faster than you, but you still get it eventually. You confuse convinience with pay to win, so there's no point in discussing anything with you.

Guess by your definition even League of Legends is pay to win, since it's easier to unlock champs with real money than IP (you have to grind it, olol, fuckin pay to win systems!).

And yeah. World of Tanks is totally a shitty pay to win game, because, you know, premium supplies. Which come to play in clanwars, meaning that you will almost never face them in a real game.

Discussion over for me, you're just butthurt and try to blame others for that.

On May 13 2013 20:41 manloveman wrote:


Well I can understand. All your arguments pretty much makes no sense. First its completely not pay to win. Then it is pay to win, but only so little that is doesn't matter. Then it is pay to win, but only until you reach endgame. Then your grind tank doesn't count as pay to win, because it is a grind tank. Dude make up you mind.

While you grind you are at a disadvantage. This is pay 2 win.

Why would I even be butthurt. I have both premium account and tanks. I play the game a lot and have fun. If I was butthurt where do I try to blame others? This sort of accusation seems sort of childish to me, don't you agree?

What can make me butthurt is shit players ping spamming, yelling "lemming train" and "noob team" and being obnoxious when they themselves clearly a no better.

On May 13 2013 20:59 TyrantPotato wrote:
still confused how people cant see the difference between

pay2win

and

pay2getshitfasterbecauseimlazyand/orwouldratherputafewdollersintoagamesoicanjustenjoyit

Clearly, you can have skins that show more boobs, giving you the edge during teamfights.
Pay to win obviously.

On May 13 2013 20:46 m4inbrain wrote:
Edit: but tell me, do you consider League of Legends to be pay 2 win?

On May 13 2013 21:00 m4inbrain wrote:
Dayumn, didn't even think about that. Damn, the whole internets is wrong, LoL is pay to play because of: boobs. Totally convinced now. But what if you buy a male skin? They don't have bigger boobs? (.. that i know of?)

On May 13 2013 20:46 m4inbrain wrote:


I said the gold supplies would count as pay to win, but they don't make you win, so it's a minor advantage. That's it. Compare that with what you said, and you see the difference. Also: while you're grinding, you're not at a disadvantage. You have to spend more time or spend money, it's a decision. Having to grind is not a disadvantage, it's part of the game if you don't want to pay.

Gladly, i can tell that i'm a pretty decent player, so i guess it's okay to yell "idiots" from time to time. Especially if i see 5 tanks rushing again the magic forest on Murovanka from the south position. (edit: and yeah, that gets me every single time)

Edit: but tell me, do you consider League of Legends to be pay 2 win?

On May 13 2013 21:07 manloveman wrote:


Yes, you seem like a good player from your stats, so feel free to yell idiots when people are idiots.

I do not have much experience with lol, but from what I have played, I do not consider it p2w.

The reason here is, that you are never at a disadvantage while grinding for the next tier or whatever it is called in that game.
If you grind in your kv-1 and meet another kv-1 with gold ammo (he can afford it because he is on prem) you at a disadvantage compared to him,

Now if you could turn of stats while you grind for example, then I would agree with you.

Fact is, I boost my stats, because I can rack up tons of credits fast in my lowe and play pure gold m4 (statpadding op bs). I can make my stats very very good (which I am not) simply by the fact that I have spend real money on the game.
I dont have to drive a sup-par t9 with a bad gun, which will hurt my stats, because I just free-xp it.

A non-spender could never hope to match that, even though he is better than me.

On May 13 2013 21:19 m4inbrain wrote:


Hm, we might have found the reason why we will not get a conclusion. I give a shit about stats (actually, the only premium ammo i have is on my T92 for CWs, and only three shells), having bad/good stats is not a dis/advantage to me. To me counts: if i'm in my E-75, does the other E-75 have an advantage over me thanks to something he bought where i did not. And in this case, free-xp guns/engines etc don't count, since i will get them eventually as well. I'm talking maxed out E-75 against maxed out E-75, the only thing he could have over me is a 10% better crew, and i'd say that "most of the times" (at least more often than not) i can compensate that with better knowledge of his tank/aiming etc.

So if you take your "standards" as definition, the game might be pay to win, in a part of the game where it actually should not matter (that's why noobmeter has the WN7 rating btw, if you don't know what it is, check it in the forums). I for example am incredibly bad with low tier TDs, yet i like to play them, resulting in only a "good" total result. But in the "endgame", where it counts (to me), it is "great".

What i'm trying to say is, by your definition the game would be pay to win in the "midgame", yes. Guess it's a matter of perspective then, because i completely don't care what happens to me on T5-T6. I get instablown up so often in my TDs, doesn't matter if it's a sherman or a Hummel, i'll just shrug it off and take the next tank.

You know the funniest thing? I didn't even know Noobmeter before you posted it. That's how little i care about my stats, as long as i "win" against people when i'm in higher tier tanks. Or better, not lose because they paid for something (for example, a rammer only via gold would be a huge advantage) that i did not.

Edit: to make it even clearer: "stats" don't make you win clanwars/matches. That's my definition.

On May 13 2013 21:41 manloveman wrote:


I don't care to much either, except when I sperging retards blaming everything but themselves and yells and screams and whine on forums about how they will quit because of "baddies".

And we agree btw. On clan wars or in games that actually matter, there is no clear pay2win advantage. Even in "mid game" or grind games, skill > gold every day.
I just wish they would take the stupid gold ammo completely out of the game already.

On May 13 2013 21:00 m4inbrain wrote:


Because the player that doesn't pay2getshitfasterbecauseimlazyand/orwouldratherputafewdollersintoagamesoicanjustenjoyit is clearly at a disadvantage, he has to grind stuff and play shitty tanks!

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Dayumn, didn't even think about that. Damn, the whole internets is wrong, LoL is pay to play because of: boobs. Totally convinced now. But what if you buy a male skin? They don't have bigger boobs? (.. that i know of?)