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On August 13 2012 12:04 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 11:47 calgar wrote:On August 13 2012 09:02 Ig wrote:On August 13 2012 05:10 calgar wrote:On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe. I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator. Unlike in WoW, there appear to be few (if any) checks into account history to determine what actually happened. Its not like you need anything besides a cursory glance anyways... Speaking of this, they still haven't really done anything against botting despite how easy it is to identify current and former botters. Assuming you're right, then, why haven't people done this to dupe expensive items like a nat's set or something that would go for $100+ on the RMAH? Wouldn't this kind of duping allow people to make hundreds of dollars and cause prices to crash (like what happened in runescape for anyone else that played in middle school)? Or why even stop at a single set at that point? When you have two sets, get a new account and copy both of the sets, and you will have 4 sets. Get new account etc until you have you entire stash full of $250 gear. By Getting new accounts each time you avoid suspicion, and if you want to avoid having your stash full of 50 identical items, you can just sell your duplicates of $250 items and buy others on one of the auction houses. True D3 end game would then be to buy new accounts, transfer a stash full of $250 items (small ones, to fit many) and play a bit on it to make it look natural, maybe even rush it up to 60. Give all the items to one of your other accounts and ask for rollback. Sell the copied items for (number of items in stash)*$250. Get new account and repeat. But hopefully that doesn't work, or the market would have crashed completely long ago?
Well it definitely takes some cash and effort, and maybe its the reason why the auction house economy is the way it is.
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On August 13 2012 12:17 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:04 Cascade wrote:On August 13 2012 11:47 calgar wrote:On August 13 2012 09:02 Ig wrote:On August 13 2012 05:10 calgar wrote:On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe. I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator. Unlike in WoW, there appear to be few (if any) checks into account history to determine what actually happened. Its not like you need anything besides a cursory glance anyways... Speaking of this, they still haven't really done anything against botting despite how easy it is to identify current and former botters. Assuming you're right, then, why haven't people done this to dupe expensive items like a nat's set or something that would go for $100+ on the RMAH? Wouldn't this kind of duping allow people to make hundreds of dollars and cause prices to crash (like what happened in runescape for anyone else that played in middle school)? Or why even stop at a single set at that point? When you have two sets, get a new account and copy both of the sets, and you will have 4 sets. Get new account etc until you have you entire stash full of $250 gear. By Getting new accounts each time you avoid suspicion, and if you want to avoid having your stash full of 50 identical items, you can just sell your duplicates of $250 items and buy others on one of the auction houses. True D3 end game would then be to buy new accounts, transfer a stash full of $250 items (small ones, to fit many) and play a bit on it to make it look natural, maybe even rush it up to 60. Give all the items to one of your other accounts and ask for rollback. Sell the copied items for (number of items in stash)*$250. Get new account and repeat. But hopefully that doesn't work, or the market would have crashed completely long ago? Well it definitely takes some cash and effort, and maybe its the reason why the auction house economy is the way it is.
Ok, if (number of items that fit in stash)*$250 per account does not crash the market enough for you, how about doing it with gold instead? For every duped account, you will double your gold. So starting with 1M, you will be at one billion after 10 accounts. 1000 billions after 20 accounts. A million billions after 30 accounts. And so on. It is enough with one person doing this to crash the system.
There must be some kind of control in place to stop this from happening. Maybe blizzard has some trigger for accounts with too much money/items. Maybe they always (or at least sometimes) have a quick look at what they revert an account to, just to check that it is not a stash full of BiS rings, or an account with 120,000M gold. Maybe it works on small scale, as long as they account is not too stacked with expensive items/gold?
If not else there must be alarms going off if they see hundreds of thousands of dollars being payed out to the same paypal account. 
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On August 13 2012 11:47 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 09:02 Ig wrote:On August 13 2012 05:10 calgar wrote:On August 13 2012 04:11 wintergt wrote:
Give your items to a friend, email blizz you were hacked and need a rollback. Then your friend does the same. Dupe dupe dupe. I have to be skeptical about that if they have an authenticator. Unlike in WoW, there appear to be few (if any) checks into account history to determine what actually happened. Its not like you need anything besides a cursory glance anyways... Speaking of this, they still haven't really done anything against botting despite how easy it is to identify current and former botters. Assuming you're right, then, why haven't people done this to dupe expensive items like a nat's set or something that would go for $100+ on the RMAH? Wouldn't this kind of duping allow people to make hundreds of dollars and cause prices to crash (like what happened in runescape for anyone else that played in middle school)?
I would assume at the peak of duping earlier on there were very few of those high rolling set pieces, and good rares like top roll weapons sold (and sometimes still do) for more. You also want to dupe something that sells fast to a wide market, and these are usually not godly but still high tier rares.
What people do these days is the stated give (drop) to others and report you were hacked. Another thing I heard of people doing was something through the RMAH where they sell an item, report a hack, then get it back and sell it again. Some details were muddled but there's also apparently a version where you buy a bunch of stuff and sell through another acct/paypal and then report the hack for refunds. Not surprising they don't seem to do anything about the paypal end cashout or scrutinize it at all.
Also, prices won't crash (for top items) quickly because of the rich upper bracket of players keeping prices high with their buying power and demand for those higher tier items remaining because of progression from others despite the ever smaller playerbase. It could crash if too many players leave though, but that remains to be seen with 1.04.
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On August 13 2012 12:44 Cascade wrote:If not else there must be alarms going off if they see hundreds of thousands of dollars being payed out to the same paypal account.
Yeah, their bank telling them they just made tons of cash with their 15% tax ^^
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I liked some of the changes:
- No invulnerable minions.
- 61/62 weapons becoming viable.
- No heal to full (heal to full was a double whammy: you died alot, which is already frustration and then the mobs healed to full) and no enrage timer.
- Changes to skills to make the weak ones viable.
Some I'm borderline with:
- No averaging of MF. I can understand the pros and cons of it, but the way I'm farming now (with a friend), it makes sense that it averages. Post patch, it's going to benefit me even more (because I'm the one loading up on MF but sacrificing on defensive stats), but it makes me feel less of a team-player lol.
Apart from that, I don't think we need to nerf mobs or buff drop rates since all the above are happening.
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invuln minions is one of the more entertaining encounters. at least for dh. could have tweaked it a little bit, such as making the minion AI cluster around the main guy and dance around so you can at least kite the group.
drop rate is meh. item quality is more important. when every lvl63 turns out to be utter shit there is a huge problem.
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On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous.
how much real money did you spend to achieve that?
I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k?
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On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k?
There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people.
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On August 13 2012 18:28 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k? There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people.
I've seen it, and I've spent close to 5 mill already on gear. Its got me to Ghom but repair costs are retarded and I can't kill him with 600 all res, 25k hp, 70k dps with ss,archery, gloom, preparation, marked for death and elemental arrows.
that's why Im farming act 1 with my mf gear.
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On August 13 2012 20:19 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 18:28 Azzur wrote:On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k? There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people. I've seen it, and I've spent close to 5 mill already on gear. Its got me to Ghom but repair costs are retarded and I can't kill him with 600 all res, 25k hp, 70k dps with ss,archery, gloom, preparation, marked for death and elemental arrows. that's why Im farming act 1 with my mf gear.
There is a non-standard way to kill Ghom - get 600 all res (like you have), around 25k hp (which you have) and then get around 1000+ life on hit (you can get a bow with around 700+ dps with that and an amulet for cheap). DPS is not important (I did it with around 12k DPS, no not a typo) This is the build:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#UeYkgV!VUf!ccbcYc
The gear to get this is cheap - esp since you have all the components anyways. For more info, you should be able to find it on google.
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On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k?
Of course I didn't spend any money. I think I cleared Inferno a few weeks before the RMAH was out, but after the nerf (don't remember though). I farmed all my gear basically before the nerf, and was pretty close to going through A3 that way (but would've probably taking another 20 hours or so), and then the nerf hit and I could pretty much just clear the game.
My bet would be that you're spending your money wrong, or that you expect to go through acts without dying. Yes, mediocre items don't give you much money on the auction house, but then again, mediocre items and a reasonable build are all of what you need to kill Diablo. You will die a ton on the way there, but you will eventually kill him with some perseverance (was the same for me). Don't ask me for specific advice though, I'm not a DH player.
But 250 hours played and only 5 mil spent on gear? You really must have some bad luck with drops. Even farming Act 3 Hell for 100 hours should net you an item that gives you 10 mil or something on the AH.
If you're playing perfect, then I guess the current gold climate is just fucked up, but I can't speak to that since I haven't really played in four weeks (only played a bit of hardcore). I did notice though that when I stopped playing, that the AH was pretty much dead. The only items I could sell were veeeery good items, so good that rich players actually needed them as an upgrade or they thought I underpriced and wanted to resell it. Mediocre items practically didn't sell at all.
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Hi all Quick question about attack speed first off what is the max amout of +attack speed you can get at top rolls on 60-63 items and what are they (2xrings, gloves, ammy? and weapon?), what is the fastest weapon (Dagger?) and does +DEX give a bonus to attack speed? I have a Wiz build i would like to try tonight but only in the high 40's so gonna smoosh my way to 60 tonight and try it out 
thanks all
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Gold AH is pretty saturate with mediocre gear. Unless you have 3 high rolled good stats, or 4 medium, it just won't sell regardless of how much you undercut.
Recent examples for me personally: USSC
Pants: 18% GF 5 radius for 10k .. Unsold
Bracers: 19% GF 17% MF 4.5% crit 75 dex 75 vit 40 phys res for 75k .. unsold
600 dps 200 str 400 loh o/s for 25k .. Unsold
I'm sure I ain't the only one
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Well, all those things you said were worth far less than you priced them, pants are vendor junk, bracers maybe 10k and the weapon... thats what 1.0.4 is for, low dmg = shit.
Btw, EU AH working for anyone? telling me about high traffic for a long time now.
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On August 13 2012 20:19 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 18:28 Azzur wrote:On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k? There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people. I've seen it, and I've spent close to 5 mill already on gear. Its got me to Ghom but repair costs are retarded and I can't kill him with 600 all res, 25k hp, 70k dps with ss,archery, gloom, preparation, marked for death and elemental arrows. that's why Im farming act 1 with my mf gear.
You used elemental arrows or cluster bombs vs ghom?
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On August 14 2012 02:28 ArC_man wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 20:19 eu.exodus wrote:On August 13 2012 18:28 Azzur wrote:On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k? There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people. I've seen it, and I've spent close to 5 mill already on gear. Its got me to Ghom but repair costs are retarded and I can't kill him with 600 all res, 25k hp, 70k dps with ss,archery, gloom, preparation, marked for death and elemental arrows. that's why Im farming act 1 with my mf gear. You used elemental arrows or cluster bombs vs ghom?
I used elemental, its more effective vs the mobs getting to Ghom, and with very low mf on my act 3 gear I didnt want to switch out skills and cancel NV to fight him...
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On August 14 2012 02:43 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 02:28 ArC_man wrote:On August 13 2012 20:19 eu.exodus wrote:On August 13 2012 18:28 Azzur wrote:On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k? There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people. I've seen it, and I've spent close to 5 mill already on gear. Its got me to Ghom but repair costs are retarded and I can't kill him with 600 all res, 25k hp, 70k dps with ss,archery, gloom, preparation, marked for death and elemental arrows. that's why Im farming act 1 with my mf gear. You used elemental arrows or cluster bombs vs ghom? I used elemental, its more effective vs the mobs getting to Ghom, and with very low mf on my act 3 gear I didnt want to switch out skills and cancel NV to fight him...
You need to burst him, most people don't farm ghom for a reason. They get past him then go onto siegebreaker cyd/azmo runs.
Just bite the bullet on NV stacks once and never think about him again.
Edit: in the 5mill budget DH thread he has a video on how he skilled and killed ghom with dirt gear.
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lmao just got banned from D3 forum for "obscene language":
1 week suspension from the forums for posting / masking obscene, vulgar or inappropriate language. This is a final warning. Further violations of Forum Guidelines could result in a permanent loss of posting privileges. By: sandman#1481Forum > General Discussion Thread Title: Am I A Carebear? (The Griefer Mindset) Reply #45 Timestamp: Jul 25, 2012 9:47:33 PM You guys have some nerve talking like that considering it was, oh you know, part of the game? Why are you !@#$%ing? Papa Bear and the carebear legion took it out for you. Enjoy your Jay Wilson approved fun and 4v4 arena PvP.
Seriously? What a joke that company is turning out to be.
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On August 14 2012 02:43 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 02:28 ArC_man wrote:On August 13 2012 20:19 eu.exodus wrote:On August 13 2012 18:28 Azzur wrote:On August 13 2012 17:31 eu.exodus wrote:On August 11 2012 22:59 heishe wrote:On August 11 2012 22:43 BurningSera wrote:On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. let me caveat that option 2 would still be heaps of fun if i can play with friends, but the punishment for group play is just unbelievable and subsequently led me to comment why 1.04 appears to be an incentive to get back into it. the two scenarios are not the reasons that you still have not cleared inferno - the real reason is you missed the exploits. I dare to say most people bought the game at launch and if they didn't abuse the exploits then they would be exactly in your same boat (and most of them probably never turn on the game after the first month). And fyi flipping in AH is about 1000times quicker to get good gears in D3 but that golden period of time has passed as well. Legit players are the ones who get 'punished' most in D3. There is a reason D3 is called D3: The lord of Auction House. That's not true. Inferno is easily clearable without any exploits, and most players who cleared Inferno have certainly done it without exploits. It's even clearable without the auction house, but it's gonna take a (much) longer time. On August 11 2012 22:10 Doraemon wrote:On August 11 2012 21:51 zomgE wrote:
why is it bad that it takes a long time to clear the game? i just don't understand it. i wish i still had more content to clear in the game.... to me there are two distinct scenarios: 1. game takes long to clear because the gameplay itself is difficult, requires concentration, accuracy and/or pure gaming skill 2. in the case of diablo 3, it takes long simply because you don't have the gear...and that is it. we're not stuck because we can't press 1 fast enough, we're not stuck because we can't get the angle right, we're stuck because the 100's of hours we played didn't drop us the gear required to progress. it's not surprising that 1 is more enjoyable than 2. The time argument is invalid. First of all... "100s of hours".. what? The game has only been out for less than three months. I thought you had a full-time job! And I had Inferno cleared with ..80 hours played time or so. When I still played Diablo 3, I played less than one hour a day (on average, since very often during the week I couldn't or didn't want to play at all and then would play a couple of hours on the weekends). It took me quite some time, and I didn't clear inferno before the nerf (simply didn't have time), but I did it, and it wasn't hard. The second scenario may be less enjoyable for you, but that IS Diablo. You didn't answer zomgE's question. What does it help you to have the time reduced that you need to clear the game? And all of you: Stop implying that players who use the AH are illegitimate players. That's ridiculous. how much real money did you spend to achieve that? I've been playing with my dh for about 250 or so hours. So far I've picked up shit gear that's allowed me to clear act 2 only and I've only been able to sell 2 items on ah that went for more than 1 mill gold. Yes my drops have been that bad. So either i have extremely bad luck or there's a problem. I honestly dont mind grinding, but for Fuck sakes how many hours do i have to spend playing through act 1 picking up 300 dps weapons and "legendary" items that dont even sell for 50k? There is a guide on TL that cleared Act 3 inferno using a DH with 5mil gold worth of gear (including repairs). Use the search term "naked DH". Especially now (when there is a glut of good quality medium tier items on the AH), finishing inferno can be done in very affordable gear. Of course, if you want to do speedruns with high MF that is going to cost $$$ but that's not the goal of many people. I've seen it, and I've spent close to 5 mill already on gear. Its got me to Ghom but repair costs are retarded and I can't kill him with 600 all res, 25k hp, 70k dps with ss,archery, gloom, preparation, marked for death and elemental arrows. that's why Im farming act 1 with my mf gear. You used elemental arrows or cluster bombs vs ghom? I used elemental, its more effective vs the mobs getting to Ghom, and with very low mf on my act 3 gear I didnt want to switch out skills and cancel NV to fight him...
Why would you care about NV stacks if your goal is to progress? The most enjoyment I got from this game was figuring out methods to beat bosses while being severely under geared. I don't understand why everyone just wants to get to a point where they can just stand still and hold left click.
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On August 14 2012 04:10 screamingpalm wrote:lmao just got banned from D3 forum for "obscene language": Show nested quote +
1 week suspension from the forums for posting / masking obscene, vulgar or inappropriate language. This is a final warning. Further violations of Forum Guidelines could result in a permanent loss of posting privileges. By: sandman#1481Forum > General Discussion Thread Title: Am I A Carebear? (The Griefer Mindset) Reply #45 Timestamp: Jul 25, 2012 9:47:33 PM You guys have some nerve talking like that considering it was, oh you know, part of the game? Why are you !@#$%ing? Papa Bear and the carebear legion took it out for you. Enjoy your Jay Wilson approved fun and 4v4 arena PvP.
Seriously? What a joke that company is turning out to be.
shame on them for having standards.
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