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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 19:48:52
June 16 2012 19:48 GMT
#12221

On June 17 2012 04:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 03:50 Gheizen64 wrote:
Crit was already better before the nerf, especially because it stacked better the more u had it, now ias will be utterly useless. Gj blizz, going to search increase crit rings to replace mine.


Do you mean if you're using crit proc abilities? crit doesn't get better if you stack it otherwise


Crit dmg.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
June 16 2012 19:59 GMT
#12222
On June 17 2012 04:48 Slayer91 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:50 Gheizen64 wrote:
Crit was already better before the nerf, especially because it stacked better the more u had it, now ias will be utterly useless. Gj blizz, going to search increase crit rings to replace mine.


Do you mean if you're using crit proc abilities? crit doesn't get better if you stack it otherwise


Crit dmg.


explain
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 16 2012 20:03 GMT
#12223
On June 17 2012 04:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:48 Slayer91 wrote:

On June 17 2012 04:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:50 Gheizen64 wrote:
Crit was already better before the nerf, especially because it stacked better the more u had it, now ias will be utterly useless. Gj blizz, going to search increase crit rings to replace mine.


Do you mean if you're using crit proc abilities? crit doesn't get better if you stack it otherwise


Crit dmg.


explain

uh lol i think both of you are meaning something different? he just says that crit damage increases the power of crit chance.

while i think that your point is that no amount of crit damage makes stacking crit better than attack speed?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 20:07:13
June 16 2012 20:05 GMT
#12224
On June 17 2012 04:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:48 Slayer91 wrote:

On June 17 2012 04:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:50 Gheizen64 wrote:
Crit was already better before the nerf, especially because it stacked better the more u had it, now ias will be utterly useless. Gj blizz, going to search increase crit rings to replace mine.


Do you mean if you're using crit proc abilities? crit doesn't get better if you stack it otherwise


Crit dmg.


explain


+50% crit dmg (100% total) = every 10% crit increases dmg by 10%.
+150% crit dmg (200% total) = every 10% crit increases dmg by 20%. (obviously multiplied off base amount calculated before any crit)
It's like infinity edge in LoL, makes crit better and thus make stacking more crit better.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 20:08:11
June 16 2012 20:06 GMT
#12225
On June 17 2012 05:05 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
On June 17 2012 04:48 Slayer91 wrote:

On June 17 2012 04:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:50 Gheizen64 wrote:
Crit was already better before the nerf, especially because it stacked better the more u had it, now ias will be utterly useless. Gj blizz, going to search increase crit rings to replace mine.


Do you mean if you're using crit proc abilities? crit doesn't get better if you stack it otherwise


Crit dmg.


explain


+50% crit dmg = every 10% crit increases dmg by 10%.
+150% crit dmg = every 10% crit increases dmg by 20%.
It's like infinity edge in LoL, makes crit better and thus make stacking more crit better.


if you're stacking both they get better but just stacking one does nothing... he didn't say anything about the two of them together lol

That's like an all in investment to make it actually worthwhile, it seems like you would have to get those stats on a LOT of gear... if it's just like... I have 5% crit on this ring, I should use this other item with crit damage, that doesn't sound so good
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 16 2012 20:07 GMT
#12226
well it would be pretty stupid to stack crit and not crit dmg.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 20:08:54
June 16 2012 20:08 GMT
#12227
On June 17 2012 05:07 Slayer91 wrote:
well it would be pretty stupid to stack crit and not crit dmg.


yes

kinda sounds like that's what he's doing
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 20:34:25
June 16 2012 20:29 GMT
#12228
So would buying items on eBay still be considered 'illegal' or against the rules? On iPhone no access to TOS. Seems like it should be ok, but then again from Blizz perspective it's lost money. In D2 of course it wasn't permitted, but back then Blizz had no RMAH specifically encouraging real world transaxtion
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 16 2012 20:31 GMT
#12229
Ebay doesn't even allow the sale of virtual goods so... I don't understand why you don't just use d2jsp or another bst forum?
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
June 16 2012 20:32 GMT
#12230
So what kind of official confirmation do we have about these IAS numbers? The whole thing smells fishy to me. Like all the other doomsday Blizz crisis since release.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 20:53:22
June 16 2012 20:35 GMT
#12231
On June 17 2012 05:31 skyR wrote:
Ebay doesn't even allow the sale of virtual goods so... I don't understand why you don't just use d2jsp or another bst forum?

Ah, well then I'm confused by the items I've seen being sold on eBay (German)

As for not understanding why I don't simply use another site - the reason is because I'm not buying items... The question was stimulated by seeing items on eBay and reading about eBay trading in various posts here and on bnet

So new question: what's the official Blizz policy on buying items via 'd2jsp'
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46223 Posts
June 16 2012 20:56 GMT
#12232
Hey guys, I just finished hell mode and I'm starting inferno... and I'm wondering which of the following two armors and shields are better (now that stats *really* matter). I know a lot of people in this thread are a lot more knowledgeable than me in regards to which stats are most important for armor (chance to block, resist all, etc.- but in what order), so I was hoping for some input.

I recognize that my stuff is probably trashy, but I need to make do with what I have for now.

I'm a barbarian with 23K life and 14K damage, over 200 resist all, and in the spoilers are my pairs of armors and shields for comparison. Which should I be using, and why? Hoping for some input; thanks!

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"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
June 16 2012 20:57 GMT
#12233
i dont think they can do anything about it since jsp is as much a place to buy items for bucks as well as a place to trade items in general, and you can do just fine without spending a single buck.

plus its just a forum that connect peoples, trades are made in game so its not like it can be seen by blizzard or anything
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 21:19:25
June 16 2012 21:16 GMT
#12234
On June 17 2012 05:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 05:07 Slayer91 wrote:
well it would be pretty stupid to stack crit and not crit dmg.


yes

kinda sounds like that's what he's doing


What i meant is that if you have 30% base crit chance, a 45% crit dam increase is a 15% base damage increase, equivalent to 15% ias. Stacking crits is the shit. When you have 30% or more base crits, 60% crit dam amus are about as good as 20% ias wise. That's why i discarded my old 15% ias 150 dex amu long ago for a 59% crit increase for a huge increase in dps AND gold (crit was still way undercosted and ias overcosted). My gloves with +8.5 crits proc +34% are about equivalent to a 25% ias gloves in term of dps.

Right now i'm selling everything i had with ias, my +81 dex +312 armor Tal Rasha , my bow with 20% ias and my rings. I'm broke and i have no items since i'll wait a bit to find some good deals but i guess in 2-3 days i should sell everything and change my inventory for the better, at least after the patch.

That aside, maybe now Dual wield is viable with the nerf on Quivers? 7-8% more ias compared to best quivers, possible better stats (dunno there) but lower base damage and more costly, especially in term of gems.
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itsben
Profile Joined July 2010
435 Posts
June 16 2012 21:55 GMT
#12235
http://d3db.com/news/id/268-datamined-10310057-patch-notes-unofficial/

According to an update, it says quivers are unchanged in ias.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 16 2012 21:56 GMT
#12236
On June 17 2012 06:55 itsben wrote:
http://d3db.com/news/id/268-datamined-10310057-patch-notes-unofficial/

According to an update, it says quivers are unchanged in ias.

set items are considered legendary, right?
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
June 16 2012 22:02 GMT
#12237
On June 17 2012 05:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Hey guys, I just finished hell mode and I'm starting inferno... and I'm wondering which of the following two armors and shields are better (now that stats *really* matter). I know a lot of people in this thread are a lot more knowledgeable than me in regards to which stats are most important for armor (chance to block, resist all, etc.- but in what order), so I was hoping for some input.

I recognize that my stuff is probably trashy, but I need to make do with what I have for now.

I'm a barbarian with 23K life and 14K damage, over 200 resist all, and in the spoilers are my pairs of armors and shields for comparison. Which should I be using, and why? Hoping for some input; thanks!

+ Show Spoiler +
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+ Show Spoiler +
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The gothic shield is definitely better than your current one I'd say. The armors I'm not sure.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
June 16 2012 22:02 GMT
#12238
On June 17 2012 06:56 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 06:55 itsben wrote:
http://d3db.com/news/id/268-datamined-10310057-patch-notes-unofficial/

According to an update, it says quivers are unchanged in ias.

set items are considered legendary, right?


Yup. Well, at least the auction house's filter says so.
SpaceSynth-ItaloDisco-HiNRG http://www.radiostaddenhaag.com/
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
June 16 2012 22:07 GMT
#12239
On June 17 2012 05:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Hey guys, I just finished hell mode and I'm starting inferno... and I'm wondering which of the following two armors and shields are better (now that stats *really* matter). I know a lot of people in this thread are a lot more knowledgeable than me in regards to which stats are most important for armor (chance to block, resist all, etc.- but in what order), so I was hoping for some input.

I recognize that my stuff is probably trashy, but I need to make do with what I have for now.

I'm a barbarian with 23K life and 14K damage, over 200 resist all, and in the spoilers are my pairs of armors and shields for comparison. Which should I be using, and why? Hoping for some input; thanks!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Just be ready to sacrifice your dps to around 5-6k in the beginning. I am tanking with my friends, DPS is 4,8K. It's a fucking joke. I would go with the yellow armor btw, shield I am not sure.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 23:01:56
June 16 2012 22:58 GMT
#12240
On June 17 2012 05:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Hey guys, I just finished hell mode and I'm starting inferno... and I'm wondering which of the following two armors and shields are better (now that stats *really* matter). I know a lot of people in this thread are a lot more knowledgeable than me in regards to which stats are most important for armor (chance to block, resist all, etc.- but in what order), so I was hoping for some input.

I recognize that my stuff is probably trashy, but I need to make do with what I have for now.

I'm a barbarian with 23K life and 14K damage, over 200 resist all, and in the spoilers are my pairs of armors and shields for comparison. Which should I be using, and why? Hoping for some input; thanks!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


The block chance is the most important part of the shield. One of the shields has a significantly larger block chance so it is better. The amount blocked disparity has me confused on which one is actually better though. The resists probably makes up for it though since yours are so low even if it is worse. The chest armors are slightly more complicated. You probably won't need the additional defense at the start of act one so the extra DPS might be useful from the rare chest. The blue chest should provide more survival though if that is what you're going for.
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