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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129727¤tpage=822#16438 This is how I run him now: with some modifications: yellows = hp/lvl for even more AP and lae staying power! Quints = flat HP 9/0/21 with archaic knowledge in offense and good hands+imp.ghost+xp then down to 21 Ruby crystal->haunting guise Boot 1->merc shoes or sorc shoes (depending) Rylai's Zhoney's void staff abyssl scepter mid or solo lane Always level Q until it is maxed. then R>W>E>Q | ||
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chiflutz
Romania1025 Posts
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GranDim
Canada1214 Posts
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 24 2010 20:55 Kaniol wrote: Hmmm after watching few games of HSGG's Sona on stream (even though i don't like his style at all, only time he "impresses" me is in a few games when he plays nidalee but i'm not talking about player so it was kinda OT  ) she seems to me kinda weird support - she seems like attempt to mix taric's healing and Zil's harass power. Comparing to Zil - building AP seems to make more sense on her than on Zil, since her heal benefits from AP as well, so even though her Q has worse AP ratio than time bombs it's not a waste because you get heal more powerful.Although her heal doesn't seem to be as much of an lifesaver, it's more of "healing over time" usefulness. Her E doesn't seem useful at all to me and the auras aren't that useful at all. Her ult is very underwhelming, it's inferior to both galio's and mumu's ult, though having 3 of these champs on one team maybe will combo people to death if you are lucky and the enemies make mistake of clumping. All in all i don't think she is a trash like i used to think like 2-3 days ago, but her q and w seem like being useful when used over time, not in a single "burst". I like how her Q and W make good balance between being a healer and still being able to be offensive threat. She is also made of toiler paper, i feel like she is THE easiest support to kill in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6404185 After some further games, I believe she treads the line between incredible and mediocrity. Her EHP (due to W) is ridiculous the same way Taric's is, except that instead of a "5-hour stun" she has one skillshot (deceptively difficult to land) AoE 2.5-second stun. I build her completely tanky now and I'm not looking back. She has the added bonus of being incredibly flexible with her build, so I can build whatever people on my team could benefit from the most. Edit: Unfortunately I think she lives and dies by Q. Without it she'd be a worthless hero; as it is it gives her one of the most cost-effective and powerful nukes in the game. Yes, it has a measly 0.7 AP ratio, and caps out at 270 base. However it has 700 (650 lock-on?) effective range and hits two people, essentially making it twice as AP efficient. W also (the heal) hits two targets, hence turning the 0.5 into 1.0. It's still not as good as Taric's ridiculous 2.2 efficiency but that's Taric. | ||
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
On September 24 2010 22:44 chiflutz wrote: Pool before E doesn't help since you're not gonna pool twice per fight late game anyway, even with max CDR, and mid game you won't dish out enough damage without maxed E. my reason for taking this before E is that if I have to lane against someone with a good silence (like kassadin) or single target damage skill I can early game avoid it and take less damage and just heal up with Q afterwards. Late game your E and W will be maxed anyways... | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 24 2010 23:45 Mogwai wrote: Utah, what are Sona's CDs like? 7 7 7 Amumu. | ||
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
Runes: I go with either apen or aspd reds then after that fill every slot with aspd. Summoner Spells: I prefer Teleport/Flash. Teleport gives me the openings to TP and save a tower or pop in and knock one over and get out. Flash gives me the little surprise to get a tad closer and stun someone who thinks they are safe also allows me to usually get away once my Ult runes out. Masteries: ![[image loading]](http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4523/masty.png) These masteries fit my playstyle but can be adjusted. Only important ones I feel are the 21/0/0. Build: Vampiric Scepter Boots1 Recurve Bow Starks(only if there is another AD champ that can make use of it.) Last Whisper Black Cleaver Skill Order: I start with Q for the early stun then after that just follow R>E>Q>W. How "I" play: This build really requires you to be decent at last hitting and building your health for mid/late game with E. With bad early game last hits you wont have the health for you Ult to be any good. You are one of the greatest lane partner any other carry/harasser could want with the solid stun. With decent teamwork your lane should be able to get some kills no matter who you lane against. Red buff makes you a monster but don't hog it from champs who can make better use of it such as Kog/Trist. Use your Ult liberally. Normally once I get lv6 if I don't have a kill yet I will. Run in and pop Ult and with E skilled up your damage should be more than most champions at similar lvl and you will eat through them while your health slowly drops in comparison to the opponent. Pros: Great Stun Can lane without going back Great scaling with items. Ult can be the clutch that gets your team the win in fights and allows them to have enough life to keep pushing. Cons: Depends on your team to not be terrible because not even Sion can do anything against some fed champs. You need group synergy and a initiator/tank. Well that's it for my first guide ever. Please know this is from my play experience from being only lv24 but this build has kept me going while playing against teams with full 30s with 500+ games under their belt. Feel free to critique it and give me some advice to make this better. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 24 2010 23:47 Mogwai wrote: those are decent for her AP ratios. I mean, Taric's Heal's on a 0 second CD with 2.2 AP ratio, but as you said... that's Taric for ya :p. They are, and is why you can get away just fine with minimal CDR. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Gtsrs do you plan to beat this one? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
the one thing I will say for certain is that Last Whisper + Black Cleaver is a bad combo because of how armor penetration/reduction stacks. I would suggest replacing Last Whisper in your build with Yommou's Ghostblade as it gives you flat armor pen which interacts better with Stark's/Cleaver and it also gives you a ghost ability to close distance. Other than that, I think you'd be better off getting tankier stuff pre-cleaver, ghost instead of teleport and more utility/defensive masteries, but w/e works for you I guess. | ||
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chiflutz
Romania1025 Posts
On September 24 2010 23:29 Vlanitak wrote: my reason for taking this before E is that if I have to lane against someone with a good silence (like kassadin) or single target damage skill I can early game avoid it and take less damage and just heal up with Q afterwards. Late game your E and W will be maxed anyways... From what I've seen, early game taking a 20% hit off your current hp is worse than actually getting hit by stuff, while your mid-game effectiveness takes a serious hit by not having max E at 14. I might be overestimating it, but while Q hits hard on a short cd, E hits multiple targets equally hard @ 4 stacks on a shorter cd. I used to max W second, but climbing the ranks a bit made me realize you can't hope to hit an entire team with pool anymore and quad kill your way to victory if your team aren't always on the ball. Late game you've got everything maxed, true, but enemies don't have 50 MR tops anymore either. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
On September 24 2010 23:20 Southlight wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6404185 After some further games, I believe she treads the line between incredible and mediocrity. Her EHP (due to W) is ridiculous the same way Taric's is, except that instead of a "5-hour stun" she has one skillshot (deceptively difficult to land) AoE 2.5-second stun. I build her completely tanky now and I'm not looking back. She has the added bonus of being incredibly flexible with her build, so I can build whatever people on my team could benefit from the most. Edit: Unfortunately I think she lives and dies by Q. Without it she'd be a worthless hero; as it is it gives her one of the most cost-effective and powerful nukes in the game. Yes, it has a measly 0.7 AP ratio, and caps out at 270 base. However it has 700 (650 lock-on?) effective range and hits two people, essentially making it twice as AP efficient. W also (the heal) hits two targets, hence turning the 0.5 into 1.0. It's still not as good as Taric's ridiculous 2.2 efficiency but that's Taric. She has to rely on Q if she can´t rely on her lanemate/bodyguard. W and E are actually stronger but only when applied to a competent person/team. She wants CDR because she wants to keep up all 3 auras at once which will make a huge difference in Teamfights. Her ult is mediocre because her base skillset acts like a hybrid of Tarics and Sivirs ultimates. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
CDR is okay but considering max CDR only drops 2.8 seconds off your CDs (with exception of ult) it's not really worth the cost considering how one-dimensional many of the CDR items are. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Maybe I should just play more ARAM :D | ||
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