EPTI thought so too, I was initially like "hey that's pretty clever" but then it happened 6 times to the same guy...
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
I thought so too, I was initially like "hey that's pretty clever" but then it happened 6 times to the same guy... | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:48 STS17 wrote: Dumbest thing I've ever seen: Twitch stealths near your mid (who is too dumb to buy an oracles, despite laning against twitch. Shen ults to Twitch, which has no display animation on Twitch since he's stealthed. Next thing you know shen appears standing on our mid and mid is taunted. Twitch hits R and we lose mid and a tower. Heimerdinger should not be the one who has to buy oracles for a team with three tanks on it... So it seems like you, Heimer, were not mid. So even if you bought Oracles, mid would not have seen this coming (unless you have a secret oracle range hax). Dunno who was mid, but I guess that it was a rather squishy champ, maybe a carry, so buying oracles is not favorable ("focus me pls"). I would maybe drop a vision ward every now and then instead. Cool combo regardless  | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
If you last stand right as pantheon goes into the air then shen lands before pantheon and can taunt people into pantheons ult lolololol | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:17 spinesheath wrote: So it seems like you, Heimer, were not mid. So even if you bought Oracles, mid would not have seen this coming (unless you have a secret oracle range hax). Dunno who was mid, but I guess that it was a rather squishy champ, maybe a carry, so buying oracles is not favorable ("focus me pls"). I would maybe drop a vision ward every now and then instead. Cool combo regardless That's correct, our Morde was mid by his request. I laned with my friend who was playing malz and we had garen/taric bottom. And yes I have secret oracle range hax, they make it so the towers on my team reveal enemy stealth characters. Mwahahahahahaha! | ||
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BlackHat
United States264 Posts
On September 01 2010 16:45 barbsq wrote: shaco stuff. Thanks for elaborating for him. I told him what you said, I don't think he was attempting ganks when he should have. A little practice and I'm sure he'll get it down. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:50 Mogwai wrote: One time my team killed 3 opponents without losing anyone. We went for Baron. Shen ults onto Shaco right before he decieves into the Baron cave. Shaco clones and we're 5 vs. Shaco with GA and clone and Shen with GA. We got fucking raped in the ass... Aced, immediate surrender followed, lol, it was the most demoralizing 10 seconds of LoL I ever experienced, lol. I should note this was back before any Shaco nerfs and when Shen's W read "invulnerable to all damage for 1.5 seconds." That's depressing. Quick! Make a post about it and get shaco and shen nerfed for their obvious OPness! | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
different but somewhat related question. how big of a deal do you think it would be if Last Whisper's penetration affected abilities like Ashe's Volley and Pantheon's Spear Shot? | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EDIT: and for whatever it's worth, I don't think % penetration effects on burst abilities is very important anymore since the penetration changes and that's the point I'm trying to make, but I'm happy to hear some dissent. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:15 Mogwai wrote: question. how big of a deal do you guys think it would be if Void Staff were removed from the game? different but somewhat related question. how big of a deal do you think it would be if Last Whisper's penetration affected abilities like Ashe's Volley and Pantheon's Spear Shot? Considering Void Staff (late-game) is the most cost-effective AP damage item in the game, it'd be pretty brutal to every nuker. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Ok maybe not but I will have to check this out someday because that seems really good. EDIT: What exactly were the changes to armour penetration? I remember hearing a lot about it before... | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:21 Chrispy wrote: Wat. Pmgs he's top tier then, just waiting to be discovered. Ok maybe not but I will have to check this out someday because that seems really good. EDIT: What exactly were the changes to armour penetration? I remember hearing a lot about it before... % penetration used to apply before flat penetration. USED TO BE: 1st: armor reduction 2nd: % penetration 3rd: flat penetration NOW: 1st: armor reduction 2nd: flat penetration 3rd: % penetration | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:17 Chrispy wrote: ^^ Or Gangplanks Parrrley. Oh my god that would revolutionary. Insta top tier. Hahah. works on parley, ezreals q, etc. physical abilties = physical proc attacks so lifesteal , madreds, lizard etc all proc parley can also crit AND proc madreds so u can end up doin 2k+ dmg to a creep lulz. same with ezreal. | ||
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:21 Southlight wrote: Considering Void Staff (late-game) is the most cost-effective AP damage item in the game, it'd be pretty brutal to every nuker. how much of this is due to it also providing 70 AP? like, let's say that it were more analogous to Last Whisper and instead of being 70 AP and 40% penetration, it was 20 AP, 15% CDR, and 40% penetration at a slightly lower price tag (say, 1900ish) would it still be a giant deal? I guess I'm getting into pretty stupid hypotheticals, but I just have been arguing with some guy who thinks that Pantheon's main issue is the lack of a % based armor penetration to counter armor stacking, which I just don't see as a particularly big issue. But I pretty much just don't play mages so it's hard for me to understand the importance of the stats on Void Staff and as a Tank I pretty much don't even notice Void Staffs cutting into my 200-240 MR because it's still just a burst that I can usually waltz out of without being too sad (especially since it means they didn't point said burst at a squishier hero on my team). | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:44 Mogwai wrote: how much of this is due to it also providing 70 AP? like, let's say that it were more analogous to Last Whisper and instead of being 70 AP and 40% penetration, it was 20 AP, 15% CDR, and 40% penetration at a slightly lower price tag (say, 1900ish) would it still be a giant deal? I guess I'm getting into pretty stupid hypotheticals, but I just have been arguing with some guy who thinks that Pantheon's main issue is the lack of a % based armor penetration to counter armor stacking, which I just don't see as a particularly big issue. But I pretty much just don't play mages so it's hard for me to understand the importance of the stats on Void Staff and as a Tank I pretty much don't even notice Void Staffs cutting into my 200-240 MR because it's still just a burst that I can usually waltz out of without being too sad (especially since it means they didn't point said burst at a squishier hero on my team). The AP gain via VS itself depends on the stage of the game and how much AP the guy already has compared to how much MR he's chopping off. A guy starting with 500 AP against someone with 300 MR will make VS the most cost-efficient AP item late-game regardless of how much AP the item actually gives. On the other hand a 150 AP character chopping off 40% from someone with 150 MR will benefit more from the 70>20AP the VS itself gives. Either way late-game when you're fighting MR the 40% tends to trump stuff like Zhonya/Archangel that only give you 100; taking off 40% (remember that's essentially 40AP against someone with 100MR) is a pretty big deal. That means you only need like 200MR for VS's MPen to count as much as a NLR, which gives as much AP as the majority of top-end AP items (that's assuming you have 100 AP not counting VS). (edited for maths) Edit: To add, considering that the majority of AP items give in the neighborhood of 80 AP (thus that being the magical number for an item's efficiency), void Staff costs just over 2k and gives a whopping 70 AP. That means if the target has 100 MR (easy threshold to reach) and you have a total of 100 including VS you get like 110 AP from VS. But most people will get VS late... so we're talking if you have like 200-300 AP and someone has 100 MR you're getting a pretty ridiculous amount of extra damage. Very underappreciated item ;p | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:15 Mogwai wrote: question. how big of a deal do you guys think it would be if Void Staff were removed from the game? different but somewhat related question. how big of a deal do you think it would be if Last Whisper's penetration affected abilities like Ashe's Volley and Pantheon's Spear Shot? I think it would be pretty meh. I don't get either that often because I've found the flat penetration items to be sufficient and generally offer greater utility. Thing is, I feel it really depends on the champion you are dealing with, for example anyone useing last whisper must either be an Auto attack based champion or have a physical damage dealing ability which applies on-hit effects (I believe there are only three which currently do this). Super-ultra-mega late game however, the items are invaluable on champions that can benefit from them. If you ask me, the items should be redesigned, to increase your ArPen/MPen by 40% instead of reducing their armor/mr by 40%. While this would technically be a nerf to their effectiveness, if they did this + allowed penetration to enter the negatives, it would amplify the need for characters to build survivability while still allowing tanks to be tanks and dps to be dps. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Except Amumu who's a tank. Vlad's really the closest: a caster who has low burst damage but gradual damage over time, natural bulkiness, an escape tool... but he still loses to tanks. | ||
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