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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 20 2010 13:12 GTR wrote: mystic shot =[ it seems ez isn't really worth playing anymore if your main nuke can't bang hard. He'll still be top tier. I remember a couple of weeks back mystic shot got nerfed from 1.2 to 1.1 ad ratio and the range was decreased by a bit but he's still crazy strong. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
Oh hi Cho, nice nightmare skin you have there, | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 20 2010 13:24 FraCuS wrote: Noo Shaco....time to main someone else. Oh hi Cho, nice nightmare skin you have there, no, now is when you start maining shaco. Maybe you can actually play him once | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Realistically I'd like to see remove on-hit and increase his mystic shot damage to 100/105/110/115/120% AD + Base so that he's not dumb at the beginning but has sustainable dps at the end. | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
On August 20 2010 13:32 Juicyfruit wrote: None of those shaco nerfs are going to stop him from doing exactly what he's doing now -_- Agree, although he's less annoying without GA Clone and JitB while Invisi. Balance on SR is probably more important than TT right now, and I'm pretty sure Riot said champions will be the same across all maps. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 20 2010 13:37 Yiruru wrote: Agree, although he's less annoying without GA Clone and JitB while Invisi. Balance on SR is probably more important than TT right now, and I'm pretty sure Riot said champions will be the same across all maps. mundo is balanced for the map he pleases | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
On August 20 2010 11:59 s_side wrote: Anyone have a good item build and tips for Veigar? I've been having fun with him, but I'm still adapting to his squishyness. I main veigar and my build is... QeQeQRQeQwRwwwwRee (aka max Q asap, R whenever its ready, E up to level 3 for 100% hit of your W (skip on some levels of E depending on your reaction time and if they have merc treads get more of it) for summoner spells i go clarity+ghost with a 9/0/21 mastery in spell pen, lots of mana regen and ghost mastery. Sometimes I go flash but I see much better results in late game with ghost because I can often ghost around for the whole duration while flash leaves me to burst, then die. Flash vs ghost is often something I choose after seeing the ranked game lineup but overall I prefer ghost. My runes are pretty bad and need changing, right now I have mana regen, ap per level, spell pen, and flat AP quints. Im thinking in the future i'll change that to like 100% *mana regen* (edit: flat mana i mean) for lots of AP with archangels staff and ability to spam earlygame then spell pen for whatever gives best benefit with either HP quints or flat mana quints. Items i go, dorans ring+health pot opening. If i have a squishie in my lane (usually solo mid) then ill go sorc boots to try to get early kills. If i have to work for the lane ill go fiendish codex (the ap+cd reduc+mana regen item), then boots (90% of the time sorc, 10% of the time mobility boots if i can kite them hard), then usually deathfire grasp. After that go for stacking archangels staffs (most AP per item endgame), throw in an abyssal scepter if you have heavy AP team or need the magic resist, lichbane in noob solo queue situations (teammates all go negative when im 15/1 and i gotta push towers with lichbane...because yes I have lost games after starting going +15 k/d). Im not a fan of soul stealer because smart players will die less often and veigar is quite squishy after his burst. keep laning with Q for last hits, gank when your ult is ready, keep mana for your stun in the lane unless you're 100% sure you can go to 0 mana spamming Q(lower % mana=faster mana regen). For burst kills in your lane go to 0 mana, use clarity and you'll have mana for your combo for surprise burst. In fights you can get ghost and try to kite around everywhere while running in, Q, E, W and running to safe distance so you don't get focused then repeat. Your auto attack is negligible compared to your spells. I often spam Q for last hits on creeps until my mana hits 0, then clarity, then continue spamming Q until clarity around level 6 for the kill. In situations where you can get focused super fast by something like akali but you need to use your burst on a more important hero like a super fed EZ or an annie you want to stunlock and 1 shot before her combo goes off, i would suggest going zhonyas before deathfire grasp, so you can do your burst, then go zhonya so you don't die instantly. Take golem buff whenever you can, if you are the only one on team who gets the golem you can skip out on clarity or mana regen runes for more AP, the CD reduc helps you spam more Q too so early golem=awesome. IMO veigar is a counter lane to an EZ, ashe, twisted fate because of their squishieness. I just spam Q for last hits up until lvl 5 then start hitting their hero almost exclusively. At this point the cooldown is quite low and it hits pretty hard. Vs these squishies each hit will do about 15-20% of their hp. After 3 or so Q's just use your E to get some auto attacks that add up early game and R/Q for the kill. against bad players trying to harass you, try to get them to attack you just barely in tower range, they think they can run away before tower changes aggro but throw an E right ontop of them and they'll take 1-2 tower hits. It only works once and against bad players but i get away with it a lot. In a ranked game if I see an EZ, i go veigar so i can toss a stun on him (yes throw stun on him not around him), W right away, deathfire, Q, R all during the 1.5 sec stun for insta gib. Yes the deathfire could be a waste to use on EZ but if it 1 shots him its worth doin it. Basically stack AP and your zhonyas will often be enough survivability throughout the game. You can go for the HP+AP+slow passive from spells item (sorry i dont know the names ha) but you typically don't need the CC slow with your stun on a relatively low CD and large area. Yeah hope that helps, Im like ~1400 ranked 28/20 win/loss and 2.2/1 k/d on veigar. Ive only played league of legends for like 2 months so Im willing to accept criticism to help improve the build. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On August 20 2010 13:39 TheGreenMachine wrote: Ive only played league of legends for like 2 months so Im willing to accept criticism to help improve the build. implies you won't be later | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
I meant I don't know everything about LoL but ill always accept criticism nomatter how long I play  On August 20 2010 13:45 Shikyo wrote: I only get lvl 1 of E, you can hit W even if they got mercs and you need it for the farming Actually 1.5 - 35% from merc treads=0.975 sec and your W is 1.2 seconds. So unless you meteor before stunning you'll miss cuz they can see where the meteor is going to land and dodge it. lvl 2 of E is 1.75 and 1.75-35%=1.1375 with your W staying at 1.2 seconds so you'll again have to throw W before your stun. lvl 3 of E is 2 and 2-35%=1.3 with your W being 1.2 seconds. You can definitely land W 100% of the time vs a CC user with lvl 3 E. I go to lvl 3 cuz 90% of games end up having mostly merc treads cuz im winning my lane mid. I rely more on farm with Q and last hitting ability than going lazily into W too fast. The Q gives AP and doesn't push your lane nearly as far early on. Im sure theres styles of play that max W and push towers like mad but Im more of a AFK farm and destroy whoever is solo'ing mid. If mid isnt there and my ult is up i'll go gank ofcourse. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Panth lore fixed. I lol'ed. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
no it does not | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On August 20 2010 13:58 Khul Sadukar wrote: Panth lore fixed. I lol'ed. I tried jungle pantheon today, started 4-0.. what a joke of a toon now... ended like 4-9-something not doing that again | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I.e. at least 1 mana item (for me that's glacial shroud into frozen hearts, but something like archangel's staff works too). Strength of spirit mastery is mandatory mana regen/level runes for both seals and glyphs I'd go to lane with a doran's shield. Makes you pretty much immune to harass for the first 5 levels when you're at your weakest, so just use all your mana to farm creeps with Q. At level 7 or so, you can basically start harassing people back with your unlimited Q spam. No one likes getting poked for 200 every 5 seconds. Even someone like katarina might get taken aback if they aren't particularly good because your regen is hitting like 25hp/5 now while theirs is staying at 18. Basically, you just want people to leave you alone for as long as possible. Personally I only get 1 point in dark matter (and only beacuse it naturally gets stronger as you farm Q) because kiting people with stun while they absolutely can't retaliate is too strong such that you want your stun maxed after Q and leave W for last. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
it was like mystic shot range better than now , 100% w was heal r did more damage then ezreal got buffed then his w got nerfed into 50% heal then his ultimate ratio went down then his w got the axe, no more healing and his ad went to 120% i think then his range got nerfed then now it's 100% it's funny how heroes are balanced eh | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:08 Juicyfruit wrote: You really shouldn't need clarity for veigar. Build your veigar to abuse his passive. I.e. at least 1 mana item (for me that's glacial shroud into frozen hearts, but something like archangel's staff works too). Strength of spirit mastery is mandatory mana regen/level runes for both seals and glyphs I'd go to lane with a doran's shield. Makes you pretty much immune to harass for the first 5 levels when you're at your weakest, so just use all your mana to farm creeps with Q. At level 7 or so, you can basically start harassing people back with your unlimited Q spam. No one likes getting poked for 200 every 5 seconds. Even someone like katarina might get taken aback if they aren't particularly good because your regen is hitting like 25hp/5 now while theirs is staying at 18. Basically, you just want people to leave you alone for as long as possible. Personally I only get 1 point in dark matter (and only beacuse it naturally gets stronger as you farm Q) because kiting people with stun while they absolutely can't retaliate is too strong such that you want your stun maxed after Q and leave W for last. I think vs people who cant harass very well i'll go dorans ring opening. If its someone like kat or panth mid ill go dorans shield and play it safe till I can spam Q cuz noone likes to heal every 2 minutes or buy a billion potions. Im not a big fan of glacial shroud early on because of the 700 you spend on armor which you'll often never need/use that early. The 20% cd reduc is great but fiendish codex has 10% cd reduc and gives mana regen AND ap. It also builds into deathfire grasp which enhances your burst ability. Vs something like yi i'll think about going early glacial shroud but never the first item, that 700 for armor just scares me  | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:07 BraveGhost wrote: I tried jungle pantheon today, started 4-0.. what a joke of a toon now... ended like 4-9-something not doing that again the power of spear shot compels you. He's not THAT bad a champ. not top tier pick, but definitely not eve level. Requires really good awareness/prediction for his ult tho. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
do not even try to play the pedantry game with me, boy. I am a master. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:21 TheGreenMachine wrote: I think vs people who cant harass very well i'll go dorans ring opening. If its someone like kat or panth mid ill go dorans shield and play it safe till I can spam Q cuz noone likes to heal every 2 minutes or buy a billion potions. Im not a big fan of glacial shroud early on because of the 700 you spend on armor which you'll often never need/use that early. The 20% cd reduc is great but fiendish codex has 10% cd reduc and gives mana regen AND ap. It also builds into deathfire grasp which enhances your burst ability. Vs something like yi i'll think about going early glacial shroud but never the first item, that 700 for armor just scares me Early armor is quite useful on veigar because he'll sometimes end up having to tank a bunch of minion hits to pretend his tower from being pushed. And then there's people like nidalee, garen, ezreal ashe etc.... pretty much all get neutered by early armor. | ||
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