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STS17
United States1817 Posts
What's wrong with this game? | ||
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Budikhan
United States20 Posts
low elo hell is a myth. you're ability to rise in solo queue mostly lies in consistency. if you're consistently playing well, you'll arrive at the correct elo. I realize this, however, this also means dedicating a shit ton of time to rise through all the bullshit. I know it can be done and is entirely possible, but Low ELO Hell does exist, though it is definitely escapable. I'm sure if I continue to play ranked games I'll eventually rise out of the cream, but honestly... it isn't fun. Its frustrating as all fucking hell. Hence, I wish to find a group. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:43 STS17 wrote: What's wrong with this game? Heimer with only 91 creep kills and what looks like blitzcrank pulling garen which is about the dumbest thing ever. red: I agree with your assessment of ryze. His range really is a problem and he isn't top tier of even the caster class (which you're saying is not good right now anyway). He's still fun to play though and with the recent changes to him he can actually survive team fights by sheer brute force. Positioning is a problem because he can't go in without full HP, so any pokes have to be avoided before the battle. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:52 ghen wrote: Heimer with only 91 creep kills and what looks like blitzcrank pulling garen which is about the dumbest thing ever. well, they have vlad vs ashe mid which mean a guarentee kill. ashe and fiddle just cant vs a nuker like vlad. heim might not farm as good but his turrets can always be used defensively so 91 creeps is ok-ish for imba champs. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Champion / Game played with / Total kills / Ratio Kayle / 34 / 242 / 6.9 Vladimir / 21 / 166 / 7.9 Ezreal / 12 / 99 / 8.25 also quadrakills with other champions: 0 Quadrakills with ezreal: 4 lololol | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:43 STS17 wrote: What's wrong with this game? The fact that heimer had such sick wrench damage. | ||
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Nailpolish
United States56 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:57 NB wrote: well, they have vlad vs ashe mid which mean a guarentee kill. ashe and fiddle just cant vs a nuker like vlad. heim might not farm as good but his turrets can always be used defensively so 91 creeps is ok-ish for imba champs. i think the correct answer is heimer's items. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:34 redtooth wrote: i get greed on kat  . it's like 4 free wards a game.fixed. tanks lane too well, farm too well, jungle too well, and do too much damage. the focus of the metagame is shifting towards a "survive-during-teamfights" from the previous heal/janna team "don't get into a teamfight" concentration. hence why tank nidalee is boss. bullshiiiiiiiiiiiit. i play nidalee and kat (prob two of the more spam-prone heroes) at the highest levels and it is nowhere near my BW apm (and i wasn't that good at BW). please stop making shit up. also for the ryze argument, see spoiler: + Show Spoiler [my super LONG thoughts and ryze analysis] + all thoughts below are what i've personally perceived after my return to the game. take it with a grain of salt but i believe everything i say below to be true. feel free to argue. the problem with ryze is that he's essentially a melee caster relying on short CD. optimal ryze play would involve getting two sets of spells off during the course of one ult (someone told me it's ~30cdr or something?). that means during the course of the ult you have to essentially stay in melee range the whole time and you haven't reached your full potential until you actually do blow both loads. as a result, he gets overshadowed by other "blow-up" heroes that do "full" damage instantly (annie, fiddle) or heroes with range or a gimmick to help them sustain their damage (karthus, kass, zilean). malzahar and articuno are other examples of heroes suffering from lowered/gimped mobility and an inability to do maximum damage immediately. take into account that most team fights now are so shifty and spread out, you won't get to take advantage of your splash too much unless you find a heavily advantageous fight in the jungle. the best you can hope for now is to take out or neutralize the enemy physical carry but that is quite difficult as they usually don't let you wait out your CD in melee range. especially nowadays it becomes increasingly difficult since the "ranged physical dps" is quickly dying out with the exception of ezreal/kayle hybrid style. mobility and kiting becomes essential as people play thicker heroes more and more (tank nidalee for me, off-tanks for others) and they have the ability to chase you down through the wall of damage. for example, annie used to be so good since she could flash/tibbers and insta-gib an enemy and turn the fight into a 4v5. it's much harder to do that now vs "modern" comps and vs good positioning/play. as a result i think the "caster" class is shifting more towards a support oriented role. morgana becomes the post-girl for this shift as she cannot be ignored (due to her huge impact in a teamfight) yet at the same time isn't really worth killing (due to her being hard to kill and not being the primary source of damage). janna/soraka are other examples. heimer also fits this role but for different reasons entirely. you may argue that someone needs to do magic damage from your team but that role can be fulfilled by others (hybrid carries) even when the support heroes can't. the other way it is shifting is towards off-tank roles. magic damage from tanks is sort of ridiculous at this moment. there are so many threatening "off-tanks" right now that the game is sort of stupid. take a look at your champion screen and see how many "tanks" you'd fear to fight due to their ridiculous DPS. these guys all do so much damage that every team fight you have to make the difficult decision of whether to let them live (and do damage) or kill them (and waste DPS on a tank). rammus, amumu, vlad, udyr, WW. even sion, nunu, shen, and singed do significant magic damage. add in the fact that garen, nasus, xin, olaf are good sources of physical damage and you realize that tank-heavy teams are the way to go. 3-5tanks with the rest support is IMO the best comp at the moment. RIOT's inability to balance has faded out the need for 'casters'. hopefully this is only a temporary metagame shift since it wasn't that long ago that tanks RIOT faded out the need for tanks (during janna disengage/heal/rescue comps). but right now tanks lane way too well (ever laned vs a good nasus and felt stupid as he free-farmed and you didn't do shit?) and DPS discrepancy between tanks and "carries" are disproportional to their ability to survive. even heimer becomes useless when 5 tanks just dive tower+3 turrets and insta-gib your team. tl;dr tanks are stupid, hard carries and "casters" are dead, RIOT blows I know LoL has no APM counter. However, in a 32min HoN game, I had 187 APM and I play LoL faster than HoN. That's why I estimated it around 180-200. Also, my DotA replay APMs are between 165 and 190. I don't know my LoL APM but it's around there, don't call bullshit for nothing. It goes down if I die naturally, but while I'm alive it's around 200. EDIT: Anyone who knows an APM counter for LoL gets my biggest thanks! | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 14 2010 21:48 Shikyo wrote: That kind of an idiot would feed regardless of your jungling, if you jungle and control the buffs and everything else, your chances to win are still very good, assuming you can carry properly. If you're 6-0-2, it doesn't really matter if your 1v2 fails since you'll just destroy the opponents and carry. (In all this, I 'm assuming that you really are way better than the average skill level of the games) My LoL APM is about 180-200, is that too high? I don't agree with that. It may be that when I don't play junglers I only play tanks or half tanks and realize that if I had been laning with him I would have been able to babysit the moron and prevent a couple deaths of his, but since we're speaking about random queue I often feel forced to just give up jungling and lane to keep the farthest tower alive. Bear in mind that since the 1v2 guy is the same lvl of the 2v1 guys that ganked him repeatedly he won't really be able to do any ganking. This situation isn't something that happens 100% of the times, and whenever I'm jungling and our 1v2 doesn't suck I know I am going to win the game. I'm just saying that you can't rely on anyone in random solo queue. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Good lord a farmed Morde is so OP lololololololololololololol | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 15 2010 02:36 r33k wrote: I don't agree with that. It may be that when I don't play junglers I only play tanks or half tanks and realize that if I had been laning with him I would have been able to babysit the moron and prevent a couple deaths of his, but since we're speaking about random queue I often feel forced to just give up jungling and lane to keep the farthest tower alive. Bear in mind that since the 1v2 guy is the same lvl of the 2v1 guys that ganked him repeatedly he won't really be able to do any ganking. This situation isn't something that happens 100% of the times, and whenever I'm jungling and our 1v2 doesn't suck I know I am going to win the game. I'm just saying that you can't rely on anyone in random solo queue. Why not just let the outmost tower fall instead of trying to defend it and ruining the rest of your game? | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 15 2010 02:51 Shikyo wrote: Why not just let the outmost tower fall instead of trying to defend it and ruining the rest of your game? Soloqueue, it would get the whole team against me regardless of how much I carry. Also the 1v2 moron would either keep laning thus pushing while autoattacking creepwaves and feed/get counterpushed and lose the 2nd tower. And as I said before his character being underleveled and slow-moving would prevent him from posing any threat as a ganker. Except the psychological aspect of it but since he already proved himself a moron I can't expect any such advanced tactics from him lol. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp132/Gallowmere08/MorganaPwnage.jpg) Kekekekekeke. Was 12-1-23 until I suicided into the fountain at the end lol. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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gdroxor
United States639 Posts
On August 14 2010 22:46 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I've always been a fan of Ryze but I'm not sure if Mejai's is best for him (I used to get it but now I don't). I like this build: Doran's Ring + Health pot, Tear of the Goddess + Boots 1, Start building situational item + Sorc Boots, upgrade Tear to Arch, situational item, situational item I guess there are some situations where Mejai is best for the situational item but it's pretty rare. If you're having a good early game, getting Tear + Sorc Boots + Haunting Guise + Blue Pot is gonna give you a sick mid game. And that mid game should earn you your Arch pretty quickly, which will make your AP jump over 100 for 1810 gold. You should also be trying to get near the max CDR (40%) toward the late game. So that "helpless for 45 seconds" is kinda wrong. And you want to use your passive to get your R back faster. You should be getting your R back in like 20 seconds. Deathfire Grasp and Frozen Heart will help with CDR. But once your Q is leveled and you get blue pot + golem buff, I think that should be maxing out your CDR anyway. Yeah, there's been a couple games where either myself of my team was doing terribly and Mejai's was just sort of dead weight in my inventory. I think I'm gonna take your advice here and go for an Arch earlier on. I've found that the Rod of Ages both kicks ass and keeps me alive. Some games I get 2, but I'm pretty bad and I don't know how good that is. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 15 2010 03:01 r33k wrote: Soloqueue, it would get the whole team against me regardless of how much I carry. Also the 1v2 moron would either keep laning thus pushing while autoattacking creepwaves and feed/get counterpushed and lose the 2nd tower. And as I said before his character being underleveled and slow-moving would prevent him from posing any threat as a ganker. Except the psychological aspect of it but since he already proved himself a moron I can't expect any such advanced tactics from him lol. No one has ever complained to me about that. It relieves the 1v2 of pressure right away and makes the game turn for the better. It's funny how no one has EVER said that I should have protected the tower or something. It won't even die because when you gank at lvl 4 when sidelanes are 3 and you got doublebuff, you drive them off. You must play it wrong. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:43 STS17 wrote: What's wrong with this game? The fact that your W/L ratio is even and I had that many wins at lv 26? Blame the low ELO not the game. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 15 2010 03:52 r33k wrote: The fact that your W/L ratio is even and I had that many wins at lv 26? Blame the low ELO not the game. actually he's 161-163 - negative. Should I give a long explanation of how to not make your team suck while you jungle? | ||
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