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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3820 Posts
On August 14 2010 18:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Well, it's official, I'm 1400. Holy fuck I haven't won a ranked game in 3 days. Yeh I had that last week I had to change my main hero man suddenly im winning again, it seriously comes in phases... I went all the way down to 1370 or so now I'm clawing my way back up | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On August 14 2010 22:25 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I see When I have level 6, what is the combo I should be doing? R Q attack W E or R W Q attack E? Im not sure but usually I Q -> R -> attack -> E -> attack -> R -> Kill -> W -> run | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On August 14 2010 18:32 gdroxor wrote: Call me a dumb newbie, but Ryze is goddamn awesome. Stack stats, get a Mejai's, hit level 18 and then make everything EXPLODE (and then you're helpless for 45 seconds if more than 1 person wants to kill you) I've always been a fan of Ryze but I'm not sure if Mejai's is best for him (I used to get it but now I don't). I like this build: Doran's Ring + Health pot, Tear of the Goddess + Boots 1, Start building situational item + Sorc Boots, upgrade Tear to Arch, situational item, situational item I guess there are some situations where Mejai is best for the situational item but it's pretty rare. If you're having a good early game, getting Tear + Sorc Boots + Haunting Guise + Blue Pot is gonna give you a sick mid game. And that mid game should earn you your Arch pretty quickly, which will make your AP jump over 100 for 1810 gold. You should also be trying to get near the max CDR (40%) toward the late game. So that "helpless for 45 seconds" is kinda wrong. And you want to use your passive to get your R back faster. You should be getting your R back in like 20 seconds. Deathfire Grasp and Frozen Heart will help with CDR. But once your Q is leveled and you get blue pot + golem buff, I think that should be maxing out your CDR anyway. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I think he's very similar to Corki. Two nukes and a skillshot low CD ult nuke. The differences are as follows: 1) Kog has a passive Last Whisper and Bloodrazor 2) Kog can't blind DPSers 3) Kog has no natural escape mechanism 4) Kog has an AoE slow 5) Kog DOESN'T have an AoE ability that scales with damage I personally think that Trinity Force Last Whisper would be a pretty good build. You ignore their armor, your nukes have a high base damage, and you proc trinity force every 2 seconds with no CDR just using your ult. On the downside, you have no survivability, but that's what 750 attackrange is. I think Kog'Maw could work in the current tanky metagame, though he's harder to play and less snowbally and weaker early and doesn't have the inbuilt escape that makes Ezreal a god. | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On August 14 2010 22:43 emucxg wrote: Im not sure but usually I Q -> R -> attack -> E -> attack -> R -> Kill -> W -> run For me its more situational, But i only use W to slow them to help me chase them down, If im chasing. Or i use it to give me time to pick off their squishy. But i probably use R -> Q -> E -> Attack -> Repeat and i throw in W in there if they start running. :/ | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On August 14 2010 23:13 Tooplark wrote: My thoughts on Koggy (my brother plays him exclusively now): I think he's very similar to Corki. Two nukes and a skillshot low CD ult nuke. The differences are as follows: 1) Kog has a passive Last Whisper and Bloodrazor 2) Kog can't blind DPSers 3) Kog has no natural escape mechanism 4) Kog has an AoE slow 5) Kog DOESN'T have an AoE ability that scales with damage I personally think that Trinity Force Last Whisper would be a pretty good build. You ignore their armor, your nukes have a high base damage, and you proc trinity force every 2 seconds with no CDR just using your ult. On the downside, you have no survivability, but that's what 750 attackrange is. I think Kog'Maw could work in the current tanky metagame, though he's harder to play and less snowbally and weaker early and doesn't have the inbuilt escape that makes Ezreal a god. thats the biggest thing about kog for me. you need a team that will protect you really well which doesnt really happen in solo que. then again your opponents might not be smart enough to FF you so meh. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
1) Kog has a passive Last Whisper and Bloodrazor Corki's passive kind of accomplishes both | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On August 14 2010 22:46 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I've always been a fan of Ryze but I'm not sure if Mejai's is best for him (I used to get it but now I don't). I like this build: Doran's Ring + Health pot, Tear of the Goddess + Boots 1, Start building situational item + Sorc Boots, upgrade Tear to Arch, situational item, situational item I guess there are some situations where Mejai is best for the situational item but it's pretty rare. If you're having a good early game, getting Tear + Sorc Boots + Haunting Guise + Blue Pot is gonna give you a sick mid game. And that mid game should earn you your Arch pretty quickly, which will make your AP jump over 100 for 1810 gold. You should also be trying to get near the max CDR (40%) toward the late game. So that "helpless for 45 seconds" is kinda wrong. And you want to use your passive to get your R back faster. You should be getting your R back in like 20 seconds. Deathfire Grasp and Frozen Heart will help with CDR. But once your Q is leveled and you get blue pot + golem buff, I think that should be maxing out your CDR anyway. this! is how i play ryze lol... mejai is cool but you have to consider if you think you can stack it up? i got mejai only when my team is not "killer" team but pusher and tankers. else tear, rod of age(may be), deathfire vs AP items consider how many tanks the enemy has. the CDR on ryze is too easy now since Q give you 10% already, runes should gv you enough to finish the combo twice. if you have problem with R's cd, spam you other skills on creeps nonstop so your R would be back around 15-20 secs at most and your creeps stat should also be as high as heaven B-)... Ryze is not even useless while his ulti is on CD, Q still deal lots of damage and W still keep the enemy stand still :-j... btw, veig rapes ryze with tears fyi.... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 14 2010 23:29 NB wrote: this! is how i play ryze lol... mejai is cool but you have to consider if you think you can stack it up? i got mejai only when my team is not "killer" team but pusher and tankers. else tear, rod of age(may be), deathfire vs AP items consider how many tanks the enemy has. the CDR on ryze is too easy now since Q give you 10% already, runes should gv you enough to finish the combo twice. if you have problem with R's cd, spam you other skills on creeps nonstop so your R would be back around 15-20 secs at most and your creeps stat should also be as high as heaven B-)... Ryze is not even useless while his ulti is on CD, Q still deal lots of damage and W still keep the enemy stand still :-j... btw, veig rapes ryze with tears fyi.... After Tear and RoA, I'd suggest Glacial Shroud, Zhonya, and Archangel =P | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Frozen heart is really good against the current teams I've been seeing... Massive Q and enough armor to survive. Doran's is a waste in the beginning when you can buy a mana crystal and 2 pots and zone people out with just a few Q's | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Mmm back to LoL tomorrow ^_^ | ||
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
On August 14 2010 23:29 NB wrote: (...) btw, veig rapes ryze with tears fyi.... Veigar's ultimate no longer scales with mana, instead it scales with the combined AP of the targeted champion and veigars own. So no having a tear on Ryze will get you owned less by Veigar than having a mejas. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 14 2010 22:25 ToT)OjKa( wrote: I see When I have level 6, what is the combo I should be doing? R Q attack W E or R W Q attack E? QR attack E Q/ignite | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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BlackHat
United States264 Posts
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=109533 Link Especially how he describes tier 2 in the follow up. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 14 2010 23:59 BlackHat wrote: My buddy brought up this tier list for the game by a guy named Elementz, and I had to wonder wth Veigar was doing in tier 2? Did he get a buff that I missed? I like the little guy and think he is situationally strong but not tier 2 material. http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=109533 Link Especially how he describes tier 2 in the follow up. In the current state of the game, veigar is synonomous to garbage | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On August 14 2010 08:43 Orpheos wrote: i get greed on kat please dont ever get the greed mastery. its like 350 gold in an average game.  . it's like 4 free wards a game.On August 14 2010 16:53 Southlight wrote: fixed. tanks lane too well, farm too well, jungle too well, and do too much damage. the focus of the metagame is shifting towards a "survive-during-teamfights" from the previous heal/janna team "don't get into a teamfight" concentration. hence why tank nidalee is boss.5-tank teams are totally imba On August 14 2010 21:48 Shikyo wrote: bullshiiiiiiiiiiiit. i play nidalee and kat (prob two of the more spam-prone heroes) at the highest levels and it is nowhere near my BW apm (and i wasn't that good at BW). please stop making shit up.My LoL APM is about 180-200, is that too high? also for the ryze argument, see spoiler: + Show Spoiler [my super LONG thoughts and ryze analysis] + all thoughts below are what i've personally perceived after my return to the game. take it with a grain of salt but i believe everything i say below to be true. feel free to argue. the problem with ryze is that he's essentially a melee caster relying on short CD. optimal ryze play would involve getting two sets of spells off during the course of one ult (someone told me it's ~30cdr or something?). that means during the course of the ult you have to essentially stay in melee range the whole time and you haven't reached your full potential until you actually do blow both loads. as a result, he gets overshadowed by other "blow-up" heroes that do "full" damage instantly (annie, fiddle) or heroes with range or a gimmick to help them sustain their damage (karthus, kass, zilean). malzahar and articuno are other examples of heroes suffering from lowered/gimped mobility and an inability to do maximum damage immediately. take into account that most team fights now are so shifty and spread out, you won't get to take advantage of your splash too much unless you find a heavily advantageous fight in the jungle. the best you can hope for now is to take out or neutralize the enemy physical carry but that is quite difficult as they usually don't let you wait out your CD in melee range. especially nowadays it becomes increasingly difficult since the "ranged physical dps" is quickly dying out with the exception of ezreal/kayle hybrid style. mobility and kiting becomes essential as people play thicker heroes more and more (tank nidalee for me, off-tanks for others) and they have the ability to chase you down through the wall of damage. for example, annie used to be so good since she could flash/tibbers and insta-gib an enemy and turn the fight into a 4v5. it's much harder to do that now vs "modern" comps and vs good positioning/play. as a result i think the "caster" class is shifting more towards a support oriented role. morgana becomes the post-girl for this shift as she cannot be ignored (due to her huge impact in a teamfight) yet at the same time isn't really worth killing (due to her being hard to kill and not being the primary source of damage). janna/soraka are other examples. heimer also fits this role but for different reasons entirely. you may argue that someone needs to do magic damage from your team but that role can be fulfilled by others (hybrid carries) even when the support heroes can't. the other way it is shifting is towards off-tank roles. magic damage from tanks is sort of ridiculous at this moment. there are so many threatening "off-tanks" right now that the game is sort of stupid. take a look at your champion screen and see how many "tanks" you'd fear to fight due to their ridiculous DPS. these guys all do so much damage that every team fight you have to make the difficult decision of whether to let them live (and do damage) or kill them (and waste DPS on a tank). rammus, amumu, vlad, udyr, WW. even sion, nunu, shen, and singed do significant magic damage. add in the fact that garen, nasus, xin, olaf are good sources of physical damage and you realize that tank-heavy teams are the way to go. 3-5tanks with the rest support is IMO the best comp at the moment. RIOT's inability to balance has faded out the need for 'casters'. hopefully this is only a temporary metagame shift since it wasn't that long ago that tanks RIOT faded out the need for tanks (during janna disengage/heal/rescue comps). but right now tanks lane way too well (ever laned vs a good nasus and felt stupid as he free-farmed and you didn't do shit?) and DPS discrepancy between tanks and "carries" are disproportional to their ability to survive. even heimer becomes useless when 5 tanks just dive tower+3 turrets and insta-gib your team. tl;dr tanks are stupid, hard carries and "casters" are dead, RIOT blows | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:35 redtooth wrote: also, http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=208571 for RIOT fail. "All of Nothing" loool. they fail-told us that round of 16 was tonight geegee. They might as well just be "nothing", from what I've heard about their performance lately | ||
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rredtooth
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