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"heh, well, his ult does too much damage. That's the bottom line. We may adjust his passive or another skill as well. But we are definitely toning down the ult a little.
In any case though, I think he's really fun, so thrilled with that aspect."
Well that sounds like something else is getting nerfed as well.
But yeah, Xin Zhao only needs empty inventory with Lizard buff or Frozen Mallet without, then he can pretty much go 1v4 your team or whatever.
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On July 17 2010 06:30 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 06:22 Fruscainte wrote: Yeah seriously...the only way you can arguably say Xin'Zhao is impossible to get away from is if he has Flash. And if he has Flash, make him waste it and then you'll be fine. He's not impossible to get away from.
He's new, people don't know how to counter him so they QQ. You haven't played a good one I'm guessing You clearly have no idea what you're talking about in the slightest. There's a reason riot employees were posting on forums saying he'll be nerfed soon on the very first day he came out.
No Xin Zhao at the 1400/1500 rating, with the possible exception of nikenikenike, AFAI can tell is dominating with him. If they're nerfing him, they're nerfing him because he stomps bad players too hard, the same reason why they won't buff Eve and kept nerfing Kat for a while despite her uselessness at higher levels. But then again Riot nerfs every early-game hero (Jax, Pantheon, etc.) because bad players stink early game.
Guh, starting to lose more frequently now
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On July 17 2010 06:30 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 06:22 Fruscainte wrote: Yeah seriously...the only way you can arguably say Xin'Zhao is impossible to get away from is if he has Flash. And if he has Flash, make him waste it and then you'll be fine. He's not impossible to get away from.
He's new, people don't know how to counter him so they QQ. You haven't played a good one I'm guessing You clearly have no idea what you're talking about in the slightest. There's a reason riot employees were posting on forums saying he'll be nerfed soon on the very first day he came out. I just expect his ult to get nerfed, it's insane. Overall he's pretty balanced. But omg that ult....
Speaking of xin, I solo queued into a game vs puffelipuff, He destroyed me. I blame the ashe that fed their xin zhao.
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Youmu + Brutalizer makes you have amazing armor penetration and so much cdr that you can Q every third hit while youmu is activated, pretty much. Don't really need any other items to kick ass. 4000 gold + boots
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On July 17 2010 06:36 Surrealz wrote: is it just me or is AP ezreal total crap after the nerf? I feel like Annie/Anivia are way more stable/highdmg casters...
am i just not doin it rite? haha
Ezreal doesn't have as much burst until you can get mejai's and lichbane. Until then you basically have to poke people to under 30% and hit with WER
I think Ezreal is stronger late game than both of the other mages because he'll scale better with items.
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don't play with cyjake111 he insisted on solo lane then feeds twice in 5 minutes insults everyone else the whole game and then leaves at about the 20min mark
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On July 17 2010 06:49 travis wrote: don't play with cyjake111 he insisted on solo lane then feeds twice in 5 minutes insults everyone else the whole game and then leaves at about the 20min mark
sounds like the prototypical dota player to me.
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On July 17 2010 06:40 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 06:30 -orb- wrote:On July 17 2010 06:22 Fruscainte wrote: Yeah seriously...the only way you can arguably say Xin'Zhao is impossible to get away from is if he has Flash. And if he has Flash, make him waste it and then you'll be fine. He's not impossible to get away from.
He's new, people don't know how to counter him so they QQ. You haven't played a good one I'm guessing You clearly have no idea what you're talking about in the slightest. There's a reason riot employees were posting on forums saying he'll be nerfed soon on the very first day he came out. I just expect his ult to get nerfed, it's insane. Overall he's pretty balanced. But omg that ult.... Speaking of xin, I solo queued into a game vs puffelipuff, He destroyed me. I blame the ashe that fed their xin zhao.
Oh damnit, i forgot to take a screenshot of our game . Even though i was positive at the end, it wasn't me who stomped you, it was our fed Xin Zhao :D . Xin Zhao is really crazy when fed and his ult does a ton of damage.
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On July 17 2010 06:47 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 06:36 Surrealz wrote: is it just me or is AP ezreal total crap after the nerf? I feel like Annie/Anivia are way more stable/highdmg casters...
am i just not doin it rite? haha Ezreal doesn't have as much burst until you can get mejai's and lichbane. Until then you basically have to poke people to under 30% and hit with WER I think Ezreal is stronger late game than both of the other mages because he'll scale better with items.
Yeah just don't play AP Ezreal unless you absolutely have to (like you have 4 physical damage and they're just stacking armour).
AD ezreal is so much better now.
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On July 17 2010 03:29 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 03:23 Southlight wrote:On July 17 2010 03:19 DanceCommander wrote: amumu's bandage toss still hits people with banshee veil shield on.... is this fair? It brings him to them but it doesn't stun, I think, right? As for whether it's fair, I think it is. You can punt into someone with Veil with Alistar and it'll take him to them, and instead of punting them way he'll stop right at them, so one of the tricks Turkey always does is to punt into someone with Veil for a free teleport, then ground slam. Easy initiation. Man, that's dirty Wow, that IS dirty.
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On July 17 2010 08:13 DanceCommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 03:29 Phrost wrote:On July 17 2010 03:23 Southlight wrote:On July 17 2010 03:19 DanceCommander wrote: amumu's bandage toss still hits people with banshee veil shield on.... is this fair? It brings him to them but it doesn't stun, I think, right? As for whether it's fair, I think it is. You can punt into someone with Veil with Alistar and it'll take him to them, and instead of punting them way he'll stop right at them, so one of the tricks Turkey always does is to punt into someone with Veil for a free teleport, then ground slam. Easy initiation. Man, that's dirty Wow, that IS dirty.
its like malphs ult except better.
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I just checked and the Riot games season one trailer broke 1 million views!
We get double IP weekend whenever right?
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On July 17 2010 08:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I just checked and the Riot games season one trailer broke 1 million views!
We get double IP weekend whenever right? i think next week
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what is the best item for me to get on kat for some more survivability. i go AD, sorc boots haunting guise and after 3 BF swords or so i do enough dmg most of the time. after red pot, should i go sunfire or GA or something else maybe? gold is not an issue.
also lategame since kat farms so well and gets a lot of kills most of the time i have a lot of money end game. after my slots are full should i keep stacking bloodthirsters? i dont know if they are really worth it becuase you get focused most of the time as soon as they see you and you will lose the stacks often. not really a problem if you can take 3 opp with you. I just have this feeling bloodthirsters aren't really the best option.
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On July 17 2010 08:28 Infie wrote: what is the best item for me to get on kat for some more survivability. i go AD, sorc boots haunting guise and after 3 BF swords or so i do enough dmg most of the time. after red pot, should i go sunfire or GA or something else maybe? gold is not an issue.
also lategame since kat farms so well and gets a lot of kills most of the time i have a lot of money end game. after my slots are full should i keep stacking bloodthirsters? i dont know if they are really worth it becuase you get focused most of the time as soon as they see you and you will lose the stacks often. not really a problem if you can take 3 opp with you. I just have this feeling bloodthirsters aren't really the best option.
banshee's veil is nice, esp when u got cc and magic dmg on the enemy team, im prty sure its core after like the 2nd bf sword or something.
edit: on ad kat, that is. ap kat doesnt need veil as much, since she already has a good bit of survivability.
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On July 17 2010 08:28 Infie wrote: what is the best item for me to get on kat for some more survivability. i go AD, sorc boots haunting guise and after 3 BF swords or so i do enough dmg most of the time. after red pot, should i go sunfire or GA or something else maybe? gold is not an issue.
also lategame since kat farms so well and gets a lot of kills most of the time i have a lot of money end game. after my slots are full should i keep stacking bloodthirsters? i dont know if they are really worth it becuase you get focused most of the time as soon as they see you and you will lose the stacks often. not really a problem if you can take 3 opp with you. I just have this feeling bloodthirsters aren't really the best option. I'm not too sure about AD, most katas just go standard AP with rylai's right after boots. Also you're more valuable in teamfights than you would be farming, there is a reason why katas should always start solomid (and it isn't only because they're pretty much the best choice or at least have the least counters), you will have already farmed enough by midgame and will be a teamfighter/ganker from there on. Veil is good on pretty much every character, if physical dmg is your problem just go for the classic Guardian Angel and you'll be fine.
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Since Karthus can be played like a infested terran who just wtf dies while running in with defile, what about building him with a GA or something that gives him some ability to not melt in 2 seconds in team fights?
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On July 17 2010 08:57 Slaughter wrote: Since Karthus can be played like a infested terran who just wtf dies while running in with defile, what about building him with a GA or something that gives him some ability to not melt in 2 seconds in team fights? I think that that's pretty normal/semi-core on him, but he really should be played as a laywaste artillery, using ghost+defiler only to run in after the fight is almost done.
Played my first ranked game as Sivir, 12-4-14, 5 tower kills. Their Ezreal got really fed and I had a lot of problems staying alive, so I built thirster, GA starks, and thornmail because they had WW, Trynd, etc. Last item was going to be banshee veil, I think. Feel pretty good about the game O_o
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I guess I feel that laying a Wall then just sitting back and Lay wasting isn't that helpful. I start the fight with 1-2 LW then I turn on defile and run my ass in there and ignite/LW people. I don't die that much while playing him so I guess im kinda already doing that? Im just speculating really about GA on him heh. Might have to fuck around with it.
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I don't own karthus so I'm not a pro by any means =P Lay waste spam just was super helpful imo, it does insane dps. You can run in quite soon yeah, but I wouldn't be one o fthe first 2 champions to go in. I just spammed lay waste until I felt like it'd be safe to go in, then spammed Q with defile on after going in.
I built something like RoA, Abyssal though, kind of semi-tanky AP build is what I prefer.
Zhonya's is great with him btw, you can turn defile on, wall, run in, zhonya and have your defile destroy them as your team pounds on them. I think that might work better than GA. Again, I'm not really an expert at all so =P Some ideas~
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