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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 14 2010 04:28 GMT
#5841
i've played 3 ranked games and pantheon's been banned twice. what a wasted ban. the other time I played him, had my worst fears confirmed and now am completely full of spite and malice for this game. hmmm, maybe I'll start playing Evelynn
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 14 2010 04:28 GMT
#5842
Shen's probly a target because he's free this week.
it's my first day
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
July 14 2010 04:29 GMT
#5843
Anyone else hating the new interface? I prefers the old one better :/
Fan of the Jangbanger
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 04:29:40
July 14 2010 04:29 GMT
#5844
On July 14 2010 13:28 myopia wrote:
Shen's probly a target because he's free this week.


Sure but who cares about Shen? :x

On July 14 2010 13:29 O-ops wrote:
Anyone else hating the new interface? I prefers the old one better :/


I personally love the layout of the new ones, but the buttons are too flat.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 14 2010 04:29 GMT
#5845
perhaps they've heard about how pro I am
it's my first day
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 04:52:24
July 14 2010 04:31 GMT
#5846
Since I have the free time and nobody seems to have one on the front page:

My Shen-tastic Guide to a 25min win:
+ Show Spoiler +


Shen is by far the least durable and worst initiators of all tanks in the game in the later stages of a match. However, in the beginning he is by far the BEST tank. With tons of starting health and armor, the ability to heal himself and his ally while laning, and a sizable amount of burst damage he can start a team snowballing very quickly.

Shen is best played with a team of very strong early to mid game champions. A very succesful team would include atleast two of the following: Heimerdinger, Pantheon, Shaco, Warwick, Ezreal, Katarina. These champions are all very strong early and can benefit a lot from the snowball effect that Shen can help create and keep going. Probably the strongest combo is shen/pantheon because of the unbelievably strong map control you get from pantheon's jump with stand united. You can actually channel stand united as pantheon jumps, land before him and taunt everyone back into the AOE. It's actually kind of sickening.


I play Shen extremely agressive in the early game. Invest in some armor penetration marks, Dodge seals, Cooldown reduction per level glyphs and flat health quintessences. For masteries I would suggest 0/21/9 making sure to grab all of the mitigation talents but not improved cleanse (you dont even need to get that spell) and the improved regen, ghost, exp, and greed in the support tree. My first items are always Doran's Shield and a health pot. At level one this should give you roughly 791 hp (assuming there are no other ninjas on your team, if there are -1 hp for each other) a ton of armor, and a nice amount of auto attack damage because of the armor pen. I use ghost and ignite for summoner spells.

Skills:
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Maxing shadow dash first lowers the cooldown, initial energy cost, and increases the taunt duration so it makes it extremely easy to setup kills. Unfortunately Feint doesn't prevent nearly enough damage anymore to make it worthwhile. Vorpal blade not only does almost the same amount of damage as Feint would prevent but it also allows you to heal so the life swing is much larger even with the higher energy cost. Do not underestimate your ability to kill someone with auto attack and vorpal blade spam. The amount of healing you get from vorpal blade and amount of dps from Ki strike is huge and you can easily kill most carries this way.


Item build:
Start :Doran's shield Hp pot
First trip to base: basic boots, ruby crystal, 2-3 health pots and if you got firstblood then you can probably afford a fort elixir too.
2nd trip to base: Finish Leviathan, finish mercury treads if possible

From here you want to diversify your build depending on the other team.

1) If there are a lot of casters I would suggest getting an Aegis or a Phage next. Phage is usually what I would get because the aegis is just so expensive and you've already invested ~3kg at this point its hard to get it fast enough to matter.

2) If there is only 1 caster or two not so scarey ones I will usually say stack sunfire capes. If you pan on tower diving a lot focus on the chainmails first otherwise whenever you have time to go to base pick up a giant's belt.

End game item build:
Doran's shield
Mercury Treads
Leviathan

Sunfire Cape
Randuin's Omen
Sunfire Cape

OR

Frozen Mallet
Aegis
Sunfire Cape


If the game goes on so long you have 6 items then you probably lost but just incase that's usually what my item setup looks like.

Important tips:
- Get golem and lizard whenever your lanes are comfortable. It's a very good idea if your ult is up to do this because the buffs plus your teleport in can swing a battle in a huge way.
- Whenever possible let someone else initiate the fight and use your ult on them to bait as much CC and damage as possible. Shen doesn't have any damage preventing CC (stun, fear, etc) so the less damage you take early the better.
- Always lead a fight with shadow dash whenever possible. The amount of energy restored from hitting someone lets you follow up with almost any spell.
- When laning try to push your lane a little more than your opponents. When you shadow dash it will aggro the minions and provide a bit of extra damage as well as give you more opportunities to heal with Vorpal Blade.
- Vorpal blade is extremely good for last hitting if you're full on hp.
- Try to save Ki strike (when his swords glow purple) for champions whenever possible. Don't try too hard to hit champions and waste procs, its sometimes just as good to use it to get a last hit.
- Shen is a pretty efficient jungler so whenever there is no action in your lane feel free to go kill some neutrals. I do not recommend jungling all of the time because Shen is actually a very slow jungler.
- If you have a jungler Shen is a pretty strong 2v1 if you level vorpal blade first, push your creep waves, and harass at level 3.
- Don't be afraid but don't rambo either. Shen is pretty strong early and durable if you get enough items but don't try to solo tank towers for too long. Sometimes just shadow dashing in, getting a ki-strike'd auto attack and throwing a vorpal blade is obnoxious enough to force an enemy back.
- You can shadow dash through most walls, use that whenever you need to escape.
- Sunfire capes will aggro towers if there are nearby enemy champions so be careful when attacking towers or if you have a lot of armor use this to let your team tower dive. It is especially effective on Inhibiter turrets because the enemy team is usually pretty far behind at that point.
- Don't be afraid to take kills but don't be a dick either. A 20 stack leviathan can end a game extremely quickly regardless of what the rest of your team does or doesnt have but sometimes it's just better to let the carries get fed.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 04:39:08
July 14 2010 04:35 GMT
#5847
Also shen is probably banned because he's just obnoxious to play against. It's hard for a lot of people to gauge the cooldown on Stand United.

Also is people keep banning all the gankers we're going to go back to last year where every line up was:

Ashe
Malphite
Amumu
Morgana
X (which was usually katarina or Fiddlesticks)

Aka Aoe fest.

Currently I'd probably ban Janna and Kayle. They're probably the most difficult champions to just counter.

A team can't pick all of the annoying champions on one team so if they first pick a heimer you can just grab shaco/shen and call it a day. Or if they pick Shaco just grab Shen and pantheon.

Shen is pretty much the universal counter to most melee champions (especially if they blink in like shaco and akali)
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 04:38:08
July 14 2010 04:37 GMT
#5848
I think Shen's just banned because at lower levels people are too stupid to account for him, and lower-level people tend to sit in lanes too long. Haven't had an issue with Shen since the Taunt change :x

Question:
Can you elaborate more on the Skyfall/Stand United mechanic? Does he land where the Panth is going to pop up, or does he pop up where the Panth is channeling, if he doesn't time it "properly?"
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
July 14 2010 04:39 GMT
#5849
Why armor pen marks when vorpal and ki strike are magic?

Probably the strongest combo is shen/pantheon because of the unbelievably strong map control you get from pantheon's jump with stand united. You can actually channel stand united as pantheon jumps, land before him and taunt everyone back into the AOE. It's actually kind of sickening.


did not know this. coooool.
it's my first day
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 14 2010 04:40 GMT
#5850
If you don't time it properly Shen will appear with Pantheon 3 miles in the air and will probably die when he hits the ground. Dangerous shit, man...
Retvrn to Forvms
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 14 2010 04:40 GMT
#5851
On July 14 2010 13:37 Southlight wrote:
I think Shen's just banned because at lower levels people are too stupid to account for him, and lower-level people tend to sit in lanes too long. Haven't had an issue with Shen since the Taunt change :x

Question:
Can you elaborate more on the Skyfall/Stand United mechanic? Does he land where the Panth is going to pop up, or does he pop up where the Panth is channeling, if he doesn't time it "properly?"


If you stand united just as pantheon jumps into the air (after the initial channel) it counts as pantheon being in the middle of the circle, since Stand United finishes before the landing shen will end up in the middle of the circle with pantheon falling down shortly there after. Usually you wont get someone directly in the middle of the circle but you can taunt them long enough for pantheon to use HSS without stunning first.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-14 04:41:48
July 14 2010 04:41 GMT
#5852
On July 14 2010 13:40 Chrispy wrote:
If you don't time it properly Shen will appear with Pantheon 3 miles in the air and will probably die when he hits the ground. Dangerous shit, man...


But he's a ninja!

On July 14 2010 13:40 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 13:37 Southlight wrote:
I think Shen's just banned because at lower levels people are too stupid to account for him, and lower-level people tend to sit in lanes too long. Haven't had an issue with Shen since the Taunt change :x

Question:
Can you elaborate more on the Skyfall/Stand United mechanic? Does he land where the Panth is going to pop up, or does he pop up where the Panth is channeling, if he doesn't time it "properly?"


If you stand united just as pantheon jumps into the air (after the initial channel) it counts as pantheon being in the middle of the circle, since Stand United finishes before the landing shen will end up in the middle of the circle with pantheon falling down shortly there after. Usually you wont get someone directly in the middle of the circle but you can taunt them long enough for pantheon to use HSS without stunning first.


Coolio, yeah I figured it might be something like that (because of the old summoner spell while falling thing) but I've not actually seen it combo'd like that, so I wanted to be sure, in case someone does try to pull that on me.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 14 2010 04:41 GMT
#5853
I feel like I never get to play LoL anymore, I get home so late and the servers have been busy/down every night for like the entire last week. Sadface =[[

Also Phrost since I just browsed that Shen guide out of boredom, any reason why you are using cdr/lvl despite the fact that you are stressing early game prowess? Just curious since they don't become better than flats until lvl 12-13, unlike the hp/mp5 per level runes.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 14 2010 04:42 GMT
#5854
On July 14 2010 13:39 myopia wrote:
Why armor pen marks when vorpal and ki strike are magic?

Show nested quote +
Probably the strongest combo is shen/pantheon because of the unbelievably strong map control you get from pantheon's jump with stand united. You can actually channel stand united as pantheon jumps, land before him and taunt everyone back into the AOE. It's actually kind of sickening.


did not know this. coooool.



Armor pen marks yield more DPS early game than Mpen. Most of your damage from level 1-6 will come from flat auto attack damage not ki-strike or vorpal blade. It also makes last hitting creeps a lot easier.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 14 2010 04:44 GMT
#5855
On July 14 2010 13:41 red_ wrote:
I feel like I never get to play LoL anymore, I get home so late and the servers have been busy/down every night for like the entire last week. Sadface =[[

Also Phrost since I just browsed that Shen guide out of boredom, any reason why you are using cdr/lvl despite the fact that you are stressing early game prowess? Just curious since they don't become better than flats until lvl 12-13, unlike the hp/mp5 per level runes.


Because you really only want them to reduce the CD of his ult, which is abyssmally long at level 6 so you don't really need them to kick in until 11 when you get the 2nd rank and it makes a nice dent in the cooldown with a golem buff.

At lower levels the amount of energy it costs to use all of his skills is too high for the cooldown reduction to do anything anyway. About the time that the per/level runes start to take the lead you can actually benefit from them.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 14 2010 04:45 GMT
#5856
By the way, after 7 games of Kassadin, my updated take on W...

In a 1v1 if you're against a straight autoattacker (Trist/Twitch/etc.) it's nice to get one level early instead of E, with the full knowledge that you're not gonna get the snare off to do much damage. Because of the poking duel it's not a big deal, you just want the E to snare them when you hit 6 if you go for a kill. Otherwise I still don't get it until late, the extra damage is too important to me. Case and point, my last game against Maknoon I set myself behind by disrupting a Fiddle's jungle, and twice I failed to kill Ezreal by about 30 damage. Yeah, in other words, one level. It sucked.

Late-game I find the biggest use of it to be charging Pulse as the fight dies down one way or other (or splits up), and killing towers. The armor pen is quite nasty against towers, hahah.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 14 2010 04:45 GMT
#5857
On July 14 2010 13:41 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 13:40 Chrispy wrote:
If you don't time it properly Shen will appear with Pantheon 3 miles in the air and will probably die when he hits the ground. Dangerous shit, man...


But he's a ninja!

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 13:40 Phrost wrote:
On July 14 2010 13:37 Southlight wrote:
I think Shen's just banned because at lower levels people are too stupid to account for him, and lower-level people tend to sit in lanes too long. Haven't had an issue with Shen since the Taunt change :x

Question:
Can you elaborate more on the Skyfall/Stand United mechanic? Does he land where the Panth is going to pop up, or does he pop up where the Panth is channeling, if he doesn't time it "properly?"


If you stand united just as pantheon jumps into the air (after the initial channel) it counts as pantheon being in the middle of the circle, since Stand United finishes before the landing shen will end up in the middle of the circle with pantheon falling down shortly there after. Usually you wont get someone directly in the middle of the circle but you can taunt them long enough for pantheon to use HSS without stunning first.


Coolio, yeah I figured it might be something like that (because of the old summoner spell while falling thing) but I've not actually seen it combo'd like that, so I wanted to be sure, in case someone does try to pull that on me.


It's hard to do but I've pulled it off with Rambo a few times (He played Pantheon before it was cool)
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 14 2010 04:47 GMT
#5858
Smash played Panth before it was cool (long before, man's been playing since he was added to the game lol) and Turkey played Shen with him for a while, but I never saw them try to pull it off, hahah. Well, as always, nice to know all the tricks so you at least have it in the back of your head.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
July 14 2010 04:49 GMT
#5859
Did they change the free champs with patch? If so whose available now.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 14 2010 04:52 GMT
#5860
Ezreal/Kennen/Poppy/Morgana/Shen/Yi/Nunu/Ryze/Sivir/Taric
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
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