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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 04:13:44
September 29 2010 04:13 GMT
#20841
On September 29 2010 13:10 Flakes wrote:
Shawz attempting to play twitch and not telling anyone he's streaming????
Here's the link
http://5z8.info/inches-now_g2a4i_dont-just-drizzle


i'm popular

www.livestream.com/shawz
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 05:06:12
September 29 2010 04:56 GMT
#20842
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 05:13:43
September 29 2010 05:09 GMT
#20843
On September 29 2010 13:56 BraveGhost wrote:
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you


To get BaB to 10% a hit requires an obscene amount of AP(if they don't take it back to no scaling).

Also he can't permaslow you anymore, because BaB won't proc on-hit effects, so he would have to choose between being able to slow(and proc bloodrazor), and get into 450 range; but when he gets into 450 range to slow that's all he can do because his damage will be terrible. And then when he pops BaB you can cleanse the slow(or wait the 1 second) and then rune because he can't toggle it of to reapply.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 05:15:14
September 29 2010 05:12 GMT
#20844
On September 29 2010 14:09 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 13:56 BraveGhost wrote:
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you


To get BaB to 10% a hit requires an obscene amount of AP(if they don't take it back to no scaling).

Also he can't permaslow you anymore, because BaB won't proc on-hit effects, so he would have to choose between being able to slow(and proc bloodrazor), or get into 450 range. But when he gets into 450 range to slow that's all he can do because his damage will be terrible. And then when he pops BaB you can cleanse the slow(or wait the 1 second) and then rune because he can't toggle it of to reapply.


uh, iirc, lvl 5 bab starts at 6% and you get +2% with just 1 zhonyas, so its not really THAT hard to get enough ap to do it

edit: naturally this is assuming they keep the scaling, which they probably wouldnt (or they'd increase it) so as to not make it silly
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 29 2010 05:24 GMT
#20845
On September 29 2010 14:12 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 14:09 red_ wrote:
On September 29 2010 13:56 BraveGhost wrote:
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you


To get BaB to 10% a hit requires an obscene amount of AP(if they don't take it back to no scaling).

Also he can't permaslow you anymore, because BaB won't proc on-hit effects, so he would have to choose between being able to slow(and proc bloodrazor), or get into 450 range. But when he gets into 450 range to slow that's all he can do because his damage will be terrible. And then when he pops BaB you can cleanse the slow(or wait the 1 second) and then rune because he can't toggle it of to reapply.


uh, iirc, lvl 5 bab starts at 6% and you get +2% with just 1 zhonyas, so its not really THAT hard to get enough ap to do it

edit: naturally this is assuming they keep the scaling, which they probably wouldnt (or they'd increase it) so as to not make it silly


It's .01% per AP, so that's 100 AP for 1%, 400 AP kog to get 10% BaB, that's quite a lot of AP, AP that you don't get going aspd to make those 10 attacks happen in a timely fashion, especially when it won't proc red buff or mallet.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 29 2010 05:25 GMT
#20846
So hard playing normal queue seriously x_X
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
September 29 2010 05:28 GMT
#20847
On September 29 2010 14:24 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 14:12 barbsq wrote:
On September 29 2010 14:09 red_ wrote:
On September 29 2010 13:56 BraveGhost wrote:
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you


To get BaB to 10% a hit requires an obscene amount of AP(if they don't take it back to no scaling).

Also he can't permaslow you anymore, because BaB won't proc on-hit effects, so he would have to choose between being able to slow(and proc bloodrazor), or get into 450 range. But when he gets into 450 range to slow that's all he can do because his damage will be terrible. And then when he pops BaB you can cleanse the slow(or wait the 1 second) and then rune because he can't toggle it of to reapply.


uh, iirc, lvl 5 bab starts at 6% and you get +2% with just 1 zhonyas, so its not really THAT hard to get enough ap to do it

edit: naturally this is assuming they keep the scaling, which they probably wouldnt (or they'd increase it) so as to not make it silly


It's .01% per AP, so that's 100 AP for 1%, 400 AP kog to get 10% BaB, that's quite a lot of AP, AP that you don't get going aspd to make those 10 attacks happen in a timely fashion, especially when it won't proc red buff or mallet.


hmm, u sure? kus i coulda swore i asked some1 the same thing, went into a game, got a zhonyas and lo an behold i got +2%, even tho i didnt have 200 ap...

mybe im just crazy
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 29 2010 05:28 GMT
#20848
On September 29 2010 14:25 Southlight wrote:
So hard impossible playing normal queue seriously x_X


Fixed that for you.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 29 2010 05:30 GMT
#20849
finally got dropped in a high elo game, everyone was 1700-1800 cept me and some other dude, carried with malz mid :D when i saw grandjudge on the other team playing garen i almost shit my pants, they had the gay taric/garen lane combo but me and warwick had the double suppression gayness. that combo is seriously strong.

redtooth's bud allisterAP was our capt, good sona! this game is so much more fun when everyone is competent.
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
September 29 2010 05:31 GMT
#20850
I also learned my positioning is so engrained as a caster now :'(
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 05:38:02
September 29 2010 05:34 GMT
#20851
On September 29 2010 14:09 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 13:56 BraveGhost wrote:
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you


To get BaB to 10% a hit requires an obscene amount of AP(if they don't take it back to no scaling).

Also he can't permaslow you anymore, because BaB won't proc on-hit effects, so he would have to choose between being able to slow(and proc bloodrazor), and get into 450 range; but when he gets into 450 range to slow that's all he can do because his damage will be terrible. And then when he pops BaB you can cleanse the slow(or wait the 1 second) and then rune because he can't toggle it of to reapply.


sorry I worded it wrong, i meant were getting a much more effective BAB for team fights when you have team mates with cc, and in exchange were giving up our chance to perma slow with red in a gank/1v1, 2v2 situation

also, the ap scaling on BAB isn't bad at all, it's 50 ap for 1% if I remember correctly, that's only 200 ap for 4%.. also, 10% isn't the magic # cuase your doing base ad damage + whatever else on each hit

edit: even if it is 200 ap for 2%.. when your completely ignoring magic resist.. does it really matter.. ap probably not way to go, probably something like attack speed item then tank items

Im done talking bout this theoretical kog maw, I doubt these are gonna be anything like the changes that are implemented, Im sure they'll probably just hard nerf him or make his w into something to help the spam R play style
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 05:40:50
September 29 2010 05:34 GMT
#20852
On September 29 2010 13:13 shawster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 13:10 Flakes wrote:
Shawz attempting to play twitch and not telling anyone he's streaming????
Here's the link


i'm popular

livestream.com/shawz


cmon guys watch otta break 20 viewers
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
September 29 2010 05:36 GMT
#20853
shawster, fix your tags man.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
September 29 2010 05:39 GMT
#20854
On September 29 2010 14:34 shawster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 13:13 shawster wrote:
On September 29 2010 13:10 Flakes wrote:
Shawz attempting to play twitch and not telling anyone he's streaming????
Here's the link
http://5z8.info/inches-now_g2a4i_dont-just-drizzle


i'm popular

www.livestream.com/shawz


cmon guys watch gotta break 20 viewers


experiencing technical difficulties.. please come back later

=/
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 06:29:41
September 29 2010 05:57 GMT
#20855
come on guys lets break 20 viewers, playing 1 last game

lets do this

20!!!!!

21 - 1 (that's me) SO IT"S 20 YESS

DO THE DAANCEE
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 29 2010 06:12 GMT
#20856
On September 29 2010 14:34 BraveGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 14:09 red_ wrote:
On September 29 2010 13:56 BraveGhost wrote:
So kogmaw = more effective in team fights and less effective taking on 1 or 2 in a gank..with perma slow for a easy kill..

More range for w sounds pretty nasty as well..

Wouldn't really like those changes... random passive makes his passive not fun at all anymore just a coin flip

And the range and the mresist ignore sounds like 50% more broken

wait so if Im correct.. you get BAB to 10% and hit them 10 hits, they die.. (not considering their life steal or anything).. it's basically true damage for 10% of their health each time. Sounds pretty broken if you have someone cc their team down for you


To get BaB to 10% a hit requires an obscene amount of AP(if they don't take it back to no scaling).

Also he can't permaslow you anymore, because BaB won't proc on-hit effects, so he would have to choose between being able to slow(and proc bloodrazor), and get into 450 range; but when he gets into 450 range to slow that's all he can do because his damage will be terrible. And then when he pops BaB you can cleanse the slow(or wait the 1 second) and then rune because he can't toggle it of to reapply.


sorry I worded it wrong, i meant were getting a much more effective BAB for team fights when you have team mates with cc, and in exchange were giving up our chance to perma slow with red in a gank/1v1, 2v2 situation

also, the ap scaling on BAB isn't bad at all, it's 50 ap for 1% if I remember correctly, that's only 200 ap for 4%.. also, 10% isn't the magic # cuase your doing base ad damage + whatever else on each hit

edit: even if it is 200 ap for 2%.. when your completely ignoring magic resist.. does it really matter.. ap probably not way to go, probably something like attack speed item then tank items

Im done talking bout this theoretical kog maw, I doubt these are gonna be anything like the changes that are implemented, Im sure they'll probably just hard nerf him or make his w into something to help the spam R play style



Passive from Q. ASPD Rune Page. Nashor's Tooth. AP Items. 10% of their life in true damage a hit.

Need to slow them? buy Rylai's and click R and E, or use the nuke from Q too. If those changes go live he will be even more OP then he is now (and he isn't even OP, just a pub-stomper)

And for the record, the current scaling is 1% per 100AP, the reason people see an extra 1% at 50 AP is because the number rounds up like almost everything else in this game. If you actually calculated your damage you would be doing 6.5% instead of 7%
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 29 2010 06:15 GMT
#20857
if this change happens you no longer see kog get phage/mallet, he's even easier to kill, ggnore, i like it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 06:34:38
September 29 2010 06:34 GMT
#20858
what? that's a terrible change. ignores magic resist is re-fucking-tarded. true damage can blow me, that shit is 100% unfun, and the funniest thing is that technically speaking the best counter is HP, but that change is effectively creating a spell that does true damage at % of your HP which means... absolutely no counter to it. Which is stupid design. really really stupid design.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 06:43:55
September 29 2010 06:42 GMT
#20859
yeah that's why I don't think it will be implemented.. also, the change would make kog more tanky, not less.. yeah no mallet, but also no need to spend 3800 on bloodrazor, can start with something much simpler...
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 06:55:00
September 29 2010 06:54 GMT
#20860
This game certainly has its merits, although I wish the graphics were less cartoony; but then that caters to a larger pool of gamers.

+ Show Spoiler +

I can't believe this thread has gained so many pages so quickly.
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ze! Go HoN

I hope no mods plays LoL

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