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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:09 NeoIllusions wrote: You don't get brownie points for saying LoL > HoN in a LoL thread. huk well, I learned the hard way that saying LoL > HoN in the HoN thread gets you banned  | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:05 GrimAngel wrote: I just recently bought Garen and I wanted to ask what type of runes/masteries/items I should get for him. Currently I'm thinking 9 in offense and 21 in defense for masteries while getting armor pen, armor, and magic resist for runes. Not sure about quintessences though. Also for my item build I start off with boots + 3 health pots and then into boots of swiftness, sunfire cape, guardian angel, FoN as someone reccomended. Any advice? I run 0/21/9 on garen(4 in the xp then 1 in greed or something) and usually just run a standard tank rune set | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:17 Mogwai wrote: I run 0/9/21 masteries on Garen =X. Faster CD on Ghost? Maybe Ignite too? I don't know. I think spec'ing for defense allows him to dive much better level 1-8. Before the first Sunfire finishes. Garen doesn't benefit that much for his masteries imo. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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GrimAngel
United States416 Posts
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Whos with me? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
MS Quints ArPen Marks Dodge Seals CDR Glyphs 3 MRes 1 Armor 4 Dodge 1 Nimbleness 3 Good Hands 3 Perseverance 1 Improved Ghost 4 Awareness 1 Greed 2 Utility Mastery 3 Quickness 3 Sorcery 1 Utility Mastery Ghost/Ignite boots + 3 hp pots giant's belt + negatron + chain vest merc treads sunfire + FoN + GA ???? Profit | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:24 Southlight wrote: I think he does it for the 3% speed too. I'll take tanking masteries over MS. Garen is already fucking fast. I open with Boots. You have Q and E, both make you move faster. Chances are, if you come out of the brush running with Q, they're going to eat a full E no matter what. No Flash, sup? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:42 c_kane wrote: Don't build attack damage on DPS Sion. He does something like 180 damage at level 18. A B. F. Sword increases his DPS by 28%. Waste of money. A recurve bow increases his ulted DPS by 26% and non-ulted by 40% while being considerably cheaper and building into useful things like Starks and Last Whisper. I dunno, I think critfinity is mandatory. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 25 2010 02:42 c_kane wrote: Don't build attack damage on DPS Sion. He does something like 180 damage at level 18. A B. F. Sword increases his DPS by 28%. Waste of money. A recurve bow increases his ulted DPS by 26% and non-ulted by 40% while being considerably cheaper and building into useful things like Starks and Last Whisper. This is not how ASpd works. It's: Base ASpd + ASpd/lvl * lvl + bonuses from items/skills/runes/masteries So a Recurve Bow does not give you 40% more attack speed overall (and thus not 40% more DPS). I won't go into detail what is better under what circumstances, you can try it out on leaguecraft for example, or calculate it yourself. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:33 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I dunno, I think critfinity is mandatory. Tru dat. I haven't done the math but I'm pretty sure there's no situation where a Recurve Bow > BF Sword for a DPS Champion. That simply does not compute. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
who has 2 bf swords already | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:35 NeoIllusions wrote: Tru dat. I haven't done the math but I'm pretty sure there's no situation where a Recurve Bow > BF Sword for a DPS Champion. That simply does not compute. Eh I am pretty sure there is. The more AD you have, the more efficient ASpd is, and vice versa. So at some point you will have so much AD that ASpd will be better. This is assuming that you are really only autoattacking. If you have skills that scale off AD then you might want to shift your focus towards AD. If you are Kog Maw, you want to get ASpd :p I just wanted to try out Boots+3 against MF (as Ashe), because Regrowth and DShield both don't make me happy. Wasn't expecting to do well, but who knows, maybe I would have been able to outposition her. Anivia was mid, I got an early kill on her because Boots+3 owns Anivia even though I messed up a bit and took like 300 damage at once. That was shortly after everyone but our jungler died, lol. We won anyways. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:39 spinesheath wrote: Eh I am pretty sure there is. The more AD you have, the more efficient ASpd is, and vice versa. So at some point you will have so much AD that ASpd will be better. This is assuming that you are really only autoattacking. If you have skills that scale off AD then you might want to shift your focus towards AD. If you are Kog Maw, you want to get ASpd :p Talking about strictly for first items. AD needs AS. Same with HP needing Armor/MR. That's common knowledge. There's a reason why Loco and I were laughing at someone opening LW first without any damage items. Hurrah, you shoot fast, but do no dmg. /high five And Kog just needs Bloodrazor, Mallet and red buff and he wins games. | ||
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
On September 24 2010 07:34 myopia wrote: My Nasus guide of a week ago is already buried and it didn't make it into the OP. Since we've got a website now and I don't feel like working on my lab, I'm going to rewrite it. note: again, I'm not a better player than Brees, but his guide is old and I don't think he'd stand by it today. I've played around 100 games with Nasus and have a vague idea of what I'm doing - sometimes I even carry. I'm also undefeated in ranked (3-0!). Nasus, for the man with refined taste + Show Spoiler + Pre-game setup arpen / mp5 plvl / mp5 plvl* / movespeed 0/9/21 <- http://tinyurl.com/3ykcvcf ** cleanse / ghost *I've considered swapping out the mp5 blues for mres plvl, because you don't always need that much mana regen. I stick with a full mp5 setup because: one, you can't assume you'll have blue buff control, and two, you can buy ingame items to cover things like mres without setting yourself back. Buying mp5 is a waste. An oom Nasus is a useless Nasus. Movespeed quints are best quints. HP quints don't help much. **Not negotiable. Perseverance sucks, Dodge sucks. Trust me. Skills qweeer / r>e>q>w There's a bit of flexibility here. E wrecks lanes, but you don't want to push towers until you get your first 3 items. Use your head, if you don't think you'll need a 4th or 5th level of Spirit Fire soon, get a 2nd or 3rd point for Siphon Strike. Items Doran's Shield + Health Pot Heart of Gold*** Sheen Merc Treads Aegis**** Triforce Randuins ~whatever***** You want pure tank outside of Triforce. Nasus can be built DPS but it's simply an inferior setup. I can rack up the kills with nothing more than Sheen. ***No, Nasus doesn't need the gold from HoG. You get it first because gold is good, more gold is better, and Randuins is core. ****I've stopped buying GA since the nerf. Some people still use it, I don't think it's worthwhile spending 2600 gold to be revived at <25% health once every five minutes. HoG + Aegis feel much better for a similar price. Feel free to grab a Negatron anywhere after the Aegis, but I wouldn't upgrade it to a Banshees until after you've finished Randuins. Seriously - you want the Randuins. Farmed Q + Triforce proc + a touch of CDR = you're slamming your staff for 700+ every few seconds. Q is undodgeable btw. *****I never buy Frozen Mallet or Sunfire Cape. Ever. Frozen Mallet is expensive, you've already got 3 slows in W/Randuins/Triforce, and Nasus doesn't need that much HP. E/R/other items more than cover whatever Sunfire would give you. General Gameplay You want to solo top. There isn't a single 1v1 matchup you will lose (if you know how to lane); you can handle most 1v2's with ease. AFK farm until you get HoG+Sheen+Merc. Grab blue buff and push down towers like they're made of cardboard. Nasus can solo dragon at any point after he gets Sheen. Teamfights are as easy as ABC: Wither their DPS, drop a Spirit Fire, pop your ult, and QQQQQQQ until you've aced them. Your ult also serves for taking a fast baron. this guide is current as of whatever patch Sona dropped on. 1.0.101 or something. I must say thank you! I always struggled with Nasus and was following dps guides and such and then I gave yours a try. You have made Nasus crazy fun for me lol. Some pics of my glories with Nasus. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4879/nas.png) ![[image loading]](http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5163/nas1.png) | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:44 NeoIllusions wrote: Talking about strictly for first items. AD needs AS. Same with HP needing Armor/MR. That's common knowledge. And Kog just needs Bloodrazor, Mallet and red buff and he wins games. Well as a first item you probably won't be level 18 yet, so even on Sion a BF would probably be better. Dunno how it is if you lane with Janna or Pirate and consider the AD boost. | ||
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c_kane
4 Posts
On September 25 2010 03:33 spinesheath wrote: This is not how ASpd works. It's: Base ASpd + ASpd/lvl * lvl + bonuses from items/skills/runes/masteries So a Recurve Bow does not give you 40% more attack speed overall (and thus not 40% more DPS). I won't go into detail what is better under what circumstances, you can try it out on leaguecraft for example, or calculate it yourself. Ok, then reduce my numbers by a few percent. Attack speed is still better than damage for Sion's first item. I think this is true even if you open sheen and get attack speed 2nd, but I'm too busy to mathcraft right now. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
 I get recurve bow before pick axe on kog, much more effective | ||
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