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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:12:19
May 27 2010 12:55 GMT
#1901
On May 27 2010 15:10 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
From what I'm seeing is that PHO's defensive strategy is to pack the paint, swarm Kobe and Gasol at all costs, and live with the rest of the Lakers beating them with either contested shots in the paint or 3s. While it's true that a true PG who could penetrate the zone would be very useful at breaking the zone defense, PHO can still just pack the paint and leave the Lakers with open shots on the perimeter.

Based on my very rudimentary knowledge of basketball, I think the Lakers need to start making their open shots to spread out the Suns' defense, play some much better defense, and get some better play from everyone on the floor other than Kobe and Gasol to make the Suns pay for swarming those two so hard on defense. Like I said in my other post, I just think the Suns have outworked and just wanted to win more in the last two games. If the Lakers can match their intensity and effort, and go back to playing smarter ball, they can retake control of this series.

It's not just about hitting the open shots, since like KumquatExpress said, the point of the zone is to make you take outside shots. They've got a very basic 3-2 zone, which is basically like a perfect counter to the Lakers's zone offense. You start to break it by having someone penetrate or dish down low, and then someone hits their shot when the defense collapses, which the Suns purposefully do vs. Gasol and Kobe. Since Nash is playing at 1, it's pretty easy for any guard to drive and make that happen, as long as the wings are spread out, although it might actually make more sense to have one of the wings do the driving. The intuitive thing would be to not drive against Hill, but that's actually a good idea because it takes him away from the rest of the play.

After you drive, you kick to the wing where Hill isn't playing and that person needs to start hitting shots, or at least be a threat. It could even be a big, like play Gasol at 12-15ft. Once they have to play a bit more honest on that side, then you can really break it. Run things like cuts or baseline screens from the off-ball side, and either have Kobe do the driving/passing (I don't think the Lakers have enough good passers tbh) or if you're slashing from the wing, pull Gasol or Odom to the key-ish area to receive a pass from the slasher. They can either take their shot, drive or find one of those cutters from the opposite side.

Part of the problem is the Suns mixing up their defense, but if they do, then they can just exploit Amare like they normally do.

What's great is that it's not like this is the first time Phil has seen this. Now we get to see why Kobe is no MJ.


Or if you'd like to have Hubie Brown explain it by YELLING AT YOU
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
May 27 2010 14:05 GMT
#1902
On May 27 2010 21:55 Jibba wrote:
What's great is that it's not like this is the first time Phil has seen this. Now we get to see why Kobe is no MJ.

Total and utter nonsense.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
May 27 2010 14:12 GMT
#1903
On May 27 2010 23:05 Lefnui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 21:55 Jibba wrote:
What's great is that it's not like this is the first time Phil has seen this. Now we get to see why Kobe is no MJ.

Total and utter nonsense.

What he meant is that he doesn't have Pippen as extra firepower on the perimeter.

... Kobe is no MJ because they're different players on different teams. I thought people would have finally got over trying to compare them.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 27 2010 14:33 GMT
#1904
On May 27 2010 23:12 Kazius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 23:05 Lefnui wrote:
On May 27 2010 21:55 Jibba wrote:
What's great is that it's not like this is the first time Phil has seen this. Now we get to see why Kobe is no MJ.

Total and utter nonsense.

What he meant is that he doesn't have Pippen as extra firepower on the perimeter.

... Kobe is no MJ because they're different players on different teams. I thought people would have finally got over trying to compare them.
That's not what I mean. Different types of teams, different eras of defense, etc. but the Lakers are more equipped to handle it than the Bulls were. If they can't do it in the next 3 games, it's on Kobe and Phil, no matter what his stat line looks like.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13531 Posts
May 27 2010 14:41 GMT
#1905
Meanwhile, Howard finally looks like he's playing for keeps. As in he looks ready to fuck people up if they're going to get in his way.

Game 7 will be so intense if the Magic can get there.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
May 27 2010 14:44 GMT
#1906
On May 27 2010 23:33 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 23:12 Kazius wrote:
On May 27 2010 23:05 Lefnui wrote:
On May 27 2010 21:55 Jibba wrote:
What's great is that it's not like this is the first time Phil has seen this. Now we get to see why Kobe is no MJ.

Total and utter nonsense.

What he meant is that he doesn't have Pippen as extra firepower on the perimeter.

... Kobe is no MJ because they're different players on different teams. I thought people would have finally got over trying to compare them.
That's not what I mean. Different types of teams, different eras of defense, etc. but the Lakers are more equipped to handle it than the Bulls were. If they can't do it in the next 3 games, it's on Kobe and Phil, no matter what his stat line looks like.

a) troll successful
b) of course it'll be on them, but they are not better equipped to break down a zone than a team with two perimeter monsters (MJ and Pippen would be like Kobe & Wade on the same team if you want a modern comparison).
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 15:10:49
May 27 2010 15:02 GMT
#1907
You don't need 2 perimeter monsters. You need 1.5. The big in the middle is a better counter than having a second perimeter star. The Bulls had Grant for a while to do it, for Gasol or Odom are still much better in that role. Someone who can score or pass from 8 feet out.

The Lakers can just run Shannon Brown on the other side as the cutter, and he'll provide more than enough utility to get it done. The extra skills of Pippen obviously made them a better team, but it didn't necessarily make them much better at breaking down a zone defense with their #1 lineup. If you want to make an argument in their favor, it should be because of BJ Armstrong and Paxson.

EDIT: There's a difference between scoring on a zone and actually breaking it down and taking advantage of it. Lakers could still probably win without breaking it if enough shooters get hot or their defense decides to show up.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 27 2010 16:23 GMT
#1908
Yep it's the Lakers defense that needs to show up. Even accounting for pace there's no reason a team should be allowing 110+ points in a playoff game.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
May 27 2010 17:09 GMT
#1909
Breakdown of Sun's zone effectiveness from game 3:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/05/24/why-the-suns-zone-worked-then-didnt-then-did-again/



Breakdown of Sun's zone adjustments in game 4:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/05/26/suns-4th-quarter-defensive-adjustment/
returns upon momentous occasions.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 27 2010 18:41 GMT
#1910
Funny, but very good analysis as well.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/05/27/what-would-tex-say/
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
May 27 2010 19:25 GMT
#1911
On May 28 2010 03:41 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Funny, but very good analysis as well.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/05/27/what-would-tex-say/


Wow as someone who is rooting for Phoenix, that is a scary scary post.
returns upon momentous occasions.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 27 2010 23:15 GMT
#1912
On May 28 2010 03:41 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Funny, but very good analysis as well.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/05/27/what-would-tex-say/



hah this post is gold!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Kcat
Profile Joined April 2010
United States9 Posts
May 27 2010 23:46 GMT
#1913
On May 27 2010 15:10 XaI)CyRiC wrote:

Or if you'd like to have Hubie Brown explain it by YELLING AT YOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxInK6NKewo


Holy crap Hubie.. My ears are gone..
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
May 28 2010 01:25 GMT
#1914
Suns really came with a nice attitude. It looks like their is no zone and they are mostly playing half court sets yet dominating ^_^
wtf was that signature
tontonba
Profile Joined March 2010
United States74 Posts
May 28 2010 01:27 GMT
#1915
On May 28 2010 10:25 Servolisk wrote:
Suns really came with a nice attitude. It looks like their is no zone and they are mostly playing half court sets yet dominating ^_^


They're not dominating so much as the lakers are shooting 25%
We'll be chillin' from 93 until...
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
May 28 2010 01:32 GMT
#1916
Hm, when Stoudemire catches the ball around the top of the key as soon as he pivots he attracts 1-2 help defenders to only give 1 path so that Gasol can cover him, they shouldn't let the lakers cover him with help like that without getting a wide open passing option. T_T
wtf was that signature
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
May 28 2010 01:33 GMT
#1917
On May 28 2010 10:25 Servolisk wrote:
Suns really came with a nice attitude. It looks like their is no zone and they are mostly playing half court sets yet dominating ^_^


Oh how things change so quickly.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
CSN
Profile Joined February 2009
United States175 Posts
May 28 2010 01:51 GMT
#1918
there he goes again
"you posting only about sports here makes you a non-contributing member, and therefor, your arrogant attitude towards him is not good humor, just you being a prick." -kazius
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
May 28 2010 01:52 GMT
#1919
Suddenly, I'm reminded of why I am a Lakers fan.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 28 2010 01:53 GMT
#1920
Bynum looks good today, really moving rather than reaching.
Get it by your hands...
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