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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 13 2010 12:41 GMT
#1061
Well he is right though, 1 bad game and everyone is going nuts on the Lebron hate
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 14:50:41
May 13 2010 14:49 GMT
#1062
On May 13 2010 21:41 Ace wrote:
Well he is right though, 1 bad game and everyone is going nuts on the Lebron hate

It happens to Kobe all the time. He just has great players around him to make up for it. If the Cavs had won, people would be talking about how great of a teammate Lebron is, blah blah lbha.

Maybe it's just backlash against all the King talk?

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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 13 2010 15:01 GMT
#1063
On May 13 2010 13:41 Ace wrote:
Listen, the reason why I say LBJ is great but not elite or better than Wade and Kobe partially has to do with stuff like this. After Kobe, Wade is one of the few players that's wired with the Jordan instinct - if he's going to lose like Charles Barkley said the clip will be empty at night. Wade dropped 46 on his elimination game and pretty much played 1 vs 5 all series with his heart on the floor every night. Lebron has a far better team and injured or not he isn't playing like he wants to win it all. There are no excuses.

You can always cherry pick games where Kobe, Lebron or Wade didn't show up. This is just silly. Let's be clear about this: it wasn't an elimination game. I know I've seen Kobe go for 10~ points in playoff games with <30% shooting, and I'm sure Wade has had a game like that too.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 13 2010 15:13 GMT
#1064
With the way this series is going and the history of these 2 teams, being an elimination game is moot. He didn't come out with the DESIRE to win. Mind you I'm not even mentioning how many points he scored as indicative of a bad game. Everyone, like you noted has those nights. I'm talking about his will to win. Watching the game, and this series in general Lebron just doesn't look like he wants to win. He wasn't involved in the offense when he didn't have the ball and didn't even have his fingerprints on the game.

Look at Wade's series vs Boston. With a crap team he still went all out. 2008 Kobe may not have been an animal but he showed a sense of urgency much more than LBJ has in this series. But hey I like the guy and I'm hoping he bounces back because I'd hate to see the media ragdoll him even more than they are doing now.
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city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
May 13 2010 15:22 GMT
#1065
On May 14 2010 00:01 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 13:41 Ace wrote:
Listen, the reason why I say LBJ is great but not elite or better than Wade and Kobe partially has to do with stuff like this. After Kobe, Wade is one of the few players that's wired with the Jordan instinct - if he's going to lose like Charles Barkley said the clip will be empty at night. Wade dropped 46 on his elimination game and pretty much played 1 vs 5 all series with his heart on the floor every night. Lebron has a far better team and injured or not he isn't playing like he wants to win it all. There are no excuses.

You can always cherry pick games where Kobe, Lebron or Wade didn't show up. This is just silly. Let's be clear about this: it wasn't an elimination game. I know I've seen Kobe go for 10~ points in playoff games with <30% shooting, and I'm sure Wade has had a game like that too.

If you judge by stats alone, you're missing the point entirely. The problem people are having with Bron isn't his stat line, it's his attitude during the game. He clearly wanted no part of being in that game after the first half, and ruined any chance Cleveland had of a comeback by refusing to go to the basket and draw fouls. Like I said a couple days ago, Bron took 14 shots and two of them were inside of 10 feet. The guy is a streak shooter at best from outside and when the shot isn't falling, it's his job to find other ways to score. Considering how much of the offense ran through him in the regular season, you can't expect his supporting cast to instantly make up all the missing production if Bron decides not to play hard.

This isn't witch hunt against LeBron. Kobe had a game of his own against Phoenix (2005 or 2006, can't remember) where he essentially took himself out of the offense in an elimination game and refused to shoot. The Lakers got blown out by 30 and he took a ton of heat in the media. As for Wade, I don't ever remember him letting up in a playoff game. He's had bad games, but not playing well and not coming to play are completely different.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 13 2010 17:24 GMT
#1066
Like I said before, Lebron at this point in his career for one reason or another is buying into the hype around him and it's really dumb for someone of his talent and stature to do that. MJ wanted and fought for that first ring, you don't get the same vibe with Lebron, he's half-ways expecting the NBA will hand him that ring. Kobe was seriously trying to make a point that an offense ran through Smush Parker wasn't going to work.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 13 2010 17:30 GMT
#1067
That was the 2006 playoffs , after the Lakers had gone up 3-1, and then blew 2 games and were down at the half... Kobe took 0 shots in the 2nd half.

Aside from that, Kobe never really checked out of a meaningful playoff game - he had bad shooting nights surely, I.E, last game against Boston in the finals where he shot like 7-23 or something. His shots weren't falling but he was giving it his all, until the 4th quarter obviously. Either way, LeBron's body language was just terrible.
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condoriano
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
May 13 2010 18:56 GMT
#1068
On May 13 2010 19:28 Ace wrote:
Still upset about that Eddie House trade :/


Yea, didn't make much sense to me, plus everyone loved eddie
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 13 2010 19:24 GMT
#1069
On May 14 2010 02:24 Judicator wrote:
Like I said before, Lebron at this point in his career for one reason or another is buying into the hype around him and it's really dumb for someone of his talent and stature to do that. MJ wanted and fought for that first ring, you don't get the same vibe with Lebron, he's half-ways expecting the NBA will hand him that ring. Kobe was seriously trying to make a point that an offense ran through Smush Parker wasn't going to work.

lebron could be making the point that cleveland isn't going to work.
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Wintermute
Profile Joined March 2010
United States427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 20:15:18
May 13 2010 20:14 GMT
#1070
On May 09 2010 23:46 city42 wrote:
No. No. No. NO.

Jordan was not always large for his position. Strength and bulk are just as important to a post game as height, and he was merely average in the strength department when he started winning scoring titles. It was only after years of getting abused inside by Bill, Rick, and their other friends, that he really began to hit the weight room hard. Jordan realized that in order to preserve his career, he needed to become much stronger physically, and also try to shy away from taking too much punishment inside. It was only after his weight training regimen that he had the strength to start backing down smaller defenders reliably. Coincidentally, the trainer that helped Jordan bulk up is now Kobe Bryant's trainer.



Yea, Tim Grover trains most of the top pro players in the off season.

Anyway, with regard to Jordan, he definitely got stronger as he went along. It's basically the trend for every NBA player. You come into the league the first year and after the first 20 games or so you're worn down from playing against grown men in their physical prime. Then (if you're a real pro) you hit the gym after your rookie season and you add a few lbs of muscle every season for your first 4-5 seasons.

Some guys can get away without that bulking up for awhile (Jordan didn't need to right away, still haven't seen any development from Durant) and other guys come into the league already physically developed beyond what most rookies have (Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Amare Stoudemire were all very physical already for their age).

So in that sense, yes, Lebron as a rookie was already as bulky/strong as Jordan in his prime, and with his height, he could certainly make use of a post game if he needed it.

Jordan however was always tall for his position. Even two decades later, when you have a lot of tall shooting guards, 6'5" or 6'6" would still give a height and length advantage over the vast majority of guards in the league. If it had only been about exploiting size, then Jordan could have done that his second year in the league, but of course at that point he didn't really need to shoot many jumpers (and didn't have any shooting touch anyway). So I go back to what I said before. Jordan got to the point against those Pistons teams especially where he was just taking too much abuse. His knees were always hurting and it was obvious that he needed another option close to the basket if his career was going to continue on a high arc.

Yes, he got stronger and developed the post game to deal with the physical abuse, but the point is that it was done out of necessity, not just to exploit a physical advantage (because he always had the height to post and shoot).

So the bottom line for me is I would LOVE to see Lebron develop a post game where he could threaten to turn, take one explosive stride, and dunk, or simply fade away for an un contestable shot. On the other hand, up until this point in his career he hasn't needed it. Lebron's strong enough and still explosive enough that he can simply drive to the basket most of the time he wants to. I don't judge a guy on what he lacks if he doesn't need it. It concerns me more when I see a player like Amare Stoudemire lack a post game, because the position demands that to be a complete threat.
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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 13 2010 23:10 GMT
#1071
Lebron James game 6
plus or minus
10 rebounds
10 assists
35 points

I say plus, minus, plus but that is only if he gets some help on the defensive end of the floor.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 13 2010 23:16 GMT
#1072
On May 12 2010 10:34 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2010 10:16 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On May 12 2010 09:58 tonight wrote:
On May 12 2010 09:37 Ace wrote:
On May 12 2010 08:03 Jibba wrote:
Hawks was always going to happen, they were never a contender. They were just another team that knew how to rack up wins during the regular season due to effort and athleticism.

The Jazz is kind of a sad story. Even with their bigs healthy, the Lakers are just their worst possible match up, probably in the entire league.


The Hawks were a legit contender. They have loads of talent but their team chemistry sucks. They didn't even TRY this post season (except Jamal Crawford. Massive props to him.)

I completely agree. They have a ton of talent across the roster. Maybe not enough big men, but still. They get to the playoffs and turn to mush.

They were never a legit contender. Sure they have the talent and athleticism, but as you said they don't have much team play and they aren't exactly the best shooters in the league. Teams with big men dominate them. They are better than most teams don't get me wrong, but being really good and being a contender for the title are two different things.


I don't think they were a contender for a ring, but they should NOT have gotten stomped as badly as they did

Fair enough.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 23:46:36
May 13 2010 23:39 GMT
#1073
On May 14 2010 04:24 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 02:24 Judicator wrote:
Like I said before, Lebron at this point in his career for one reason or another is buying into the hype around him and it's really dumb for someone of his talent and stature to do that. MJ wanted and fought for that first ring, you don't get the same vibe with Lebron, he's half-ways expecting the NBA will hand him that ring. Kobe was seriously trying to make a point that an offense ran through Smush Parker wasn't going to work.

lebron could be making the point that cleveland isn't going to work.


You don't do that by going missing for an entire game and coming up with that stat line, players (good or bad) who try to make a point don't take shots and certainly not ones that were that off.

Also, Game 5 was a perfect example why LBJ needs to come up with a post game, his jumpers weren't falling, they were stopping his dribble, so he should have taken it in.
Get it by your hands...
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
May 13 2010 23:42 GMT
#1074
its going to game seven. the nba is going to milk lebron's tv time to the max.
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 14 2010 00:18 GMT
#1075
Cavs is getting rape early.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 14 2010 00:35 GMT
#1076
I'll be slightly surprised if the Cavs take them to game 7.
More surprised if the Cavs win a game 7.
Boston has just looked like the better team straight up.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 14 2010 00:59 GMT
#1077
Any good streams, ESPN3 isn't working for me :/
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 01:02:34
May 14 2010 01:00 GMT
#1078
eddie house couldnt play defense, atleast nate robinson sits on the bench, eddie house would have done the same thing except like you said he can light it up at home so he would see a couple minutes. This i think would not be detrimental to the boston style, if you see when they won he wasnt an important part of their success as they had tons of other great role players, cassell, powe, brown and posey.

Anyways, im just saying if they dont win a ring this year, its not because of eddie house being able to shoot threes at home and foul jump shooters.
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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 14 2010 01:02 GMT
#1079
On May 14 2010 09:59 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Any good streams, ESPN3 isn't working for me :/

you can try their old player, or you listen to the radio online.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 14 2010 01:06 GMT
#1080
On May 14 2010 09:59 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Any good streams, ESPN3 isn't working for me :/

http://atdhe.net/
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