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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 13 2010 21:41 Ace wrote: Well he is right though, 1 bad game and everyone is going nuts on the Lebron hate It happens to Kobe all the time. He just has great players around him to make up for it. If the Cavs had won, people would be talking about how great of a teammate Lebron is, blah blah lbha. Maybe it's just backlash against all the King talk? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 13 2010 13:41 Ace wrote: Listen, the reason why I say LBJ is great but not elite or better than Wade and Kobe partially has to do with stuff like this. After Kobe, Wade is one of the few players that's wired with the Jordan instinct - if he's going to lose like Charles Barkley said the clip will be empty at night. Wade dropped 46 on his elimination game and pretty much played 1 vs 5 all series with his heart on the floor every night. Lebron has a far better team and injured or not he isn't playing like he wants to win it all. There are no excuses. You can always cherry pick games where Kobe, Lebron or Wade didn't show up. This is just silly. Let's be clear about this: it wasn't an elimination game. I know I've seen Kobe go for 10~ points in playoff games with <30% shooting, and I'm sure Wade has had a game like that too. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Look at Wade's series vs Boston. With a crap team he still went all out. 2008 Kobe may not have been an animal but he showed a sense of urgency much more than LBJ has in this series. But hey I like the guy and I'm hoping he bounces back because I'd hate to see the media ragdoll him even more than they are doing now. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On May 14 2010 00:01 Jibba wrote: You can always cherry pick games where Kobe, Lebron or Wade didn't show up. This is just silly. Let's be clear about this: it wasn't an elimination game. I know I've seen Kobe go for 10~ points in playoff games with <30% shooting, and I'm sure Wade has had a game like that too. If you judge by stats alone, you're missing the point entirely. The problem people are having with Bron isn't his stat line, it's his attitude during the game. He clearly wanted no part of being in that game after the first half, and ruined any chance Cleveland had of a comeback by refusing to go to the basket and draw fouls. Like I said a couple days ago, Bron took 14 shots and two of them were inside of 10 feet. The guy is a streak shooter at best from outside and when the shot isn't falling, it's his job to find other ways to score. Considering how much of the offense ran through him in the regular season, you can't expect his supporting cast to instantly make up all the missing production if Bron decides not to play hard. This isn't witch hunt against LeBron. Kobe had a game of his own against Phoenix (2005 or 2006, can't remember) where he essentially took himself out of the offense in an elimination game and refused to shoot. The Lakers got blown out by 30 and he took a ton of heat in the media. As for Wade, I don't ever remember him letting up in a playoff game. He's had bad games, but not playing well and not coming to play are completely different. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Aside from that, Kobe never really checked out of a meaningful playoff game - he had bad shooting nights surely, I.E, last game against Boston in the finals where he shot like 7-23 or something. His shots weren't falling but he was giving it his all, until the 4th quarter obviously. Either way, LeBron's body language was just terrible. | ||
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condoriano
United States826 Posts
On May 13 2010 19:28 Ace wrote: Still upset about that Eddie House trade :/ Yea, didn't make much sense to me, plus everyone loved eddie | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 14 2010 02:24 Judicator wrote: Like I said before, Lebron at this point in his career for one reason or another is buying into the hype around him and it's really dumb for someone of his talent and stature to do that. MJ wanted and fought for that first ring, you don't get the same vibe with Lebron, he's half-ways expecting the NBA will hand him that ring. Kobe was seriously trying to make a point that an offense ran through Smush Parker wasn't going to work. lebron could be making the point that cleveland isn't going to work. | ||
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Wintermute
United States427 Posts
On May 09 2010 23:46 city42 wrote: No. No. No. NO. Jordan was not always large for his position. Strength and bulk are just as important to a post game as height, and he was merely average in the strength department when he started winning scoring titles. It was only after years of getting abused inside by Bill, Rick, and their other friends, that he really began to hit the weight room hard. Jordan realized that in order to preserve his career, he needed to become much stronger physically, and also try to shy away from taking too much punishment inside. It was only after his weight training regimen that he had the strength to start backing down smaller defenders reliably. Coincidentally, the trainer that helped Jordan bulk up is now Kobe Bryant's trainer. Yea, Tim Grover trains most of the top pro players in the off season. Anyway, with regard to Jordan, he definitely got stronger as he went along. It's basically the trend for every NBA player. You come into the league the first year and after the first 20 games or so you're worn down from playing against grown men in their physical prime. Then (if you're a real pro) you hit the gym after your rookie season and you add a few lbs of muscle every season for your first 4-5 seasons. Some guys can get away without that bulking up for awhile (Jordan didn't need to right away, still haven't seen any development from Durant) and other guys come into the league already physically developed beyond what most rookies have (Derrick Rose, Lebron James, Amare Stoudemire were all very physical already for their age). So in that sense, yes, Lebron as a rookie was already as bulky/strong as Jordan in his prime, and with his height, he could certainly make use of a post game if he needed it. Jordan however was always tall for his position. Even two decades later, when you have a lot of tall shooting guards, 6'5" or 6'6" would still give a height and length advantage over the vast majority of guards in the league. If it had only been about exploiting size, then Jordan could have done that his second year in the league, but of course at that point he didn't really need to shoot many jumpers (and didn't have any shooting touch anyway). So I go back to what I said before. Jordan got to the point against those Pistons teams especially where he was just taking too much abuse. His knees were always hurting and it was obvious that he needed another option close to the basket if his career was going to continue on a high arc. Yes, he got stronger and developed the post game to deal with the physical abuse, but the point is that it was done out of necessity, not just to exploit a physical advantage (because he always had the height to post and shoot). So the bottom line for me is I would LOVE to see Lebron develop a post game where he could threaten to turn, take one explosive stride, and dunk, or simply fade away for an un contestable shot. On the other hand, up until this point in his career he hasn't needed it. Lebron's strong enough and still explosive enough that he can simply drive to the basket most of the time he wants to. I don't judge a guy on what he lacks if he doesn't need it. It concerns me more when I see a player like Amare Stoudemire lack a post game, because the position demands that to be a complete threat. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
plus or minus 10 rebounds 10 assists 35 points I say plus, minus, plus but that is only if he gets some help on the defensive end of the floor. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:34 Xeris wrote: I don't think they were a contender for a ring, but they should NOT have gotten stomped as badly as they did Fair enough. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On May 14 2010 04:24 oneofthem wrote: lebron could be making the point that cleveland isn't going to work. You don't do that by going missing for an entire game and coming up with that stat line, players (good or bad) who try to make a point don't take shots and certainly not ones that were that off. Also, Game 5 was a perfect example why LBJ needs to come up with a post game, his jumpers weren't falling, they were stopping his dribble, so he should have taken it in. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
More surprised if the Cavs win a game 7. Boston has just looked like the better team straight up. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Anyways, im just saying if they dont win a ring this year, its not because of eddie house being able to shoot threes at home and foul jump shooters. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:59 il0seonpurpose wrote: Any good streams, ESPN3 isn't working for me :/ you can try their old player, or you listen to the radio online. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:59 il0seonpurpose wrote: Any good streams, ESPN3 isn't working for me :/ http://atdhe.net/ Use this, favorite this. | ||
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