EPTNBA Playoffs 2010 - Page 140
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sushi.oi.zz
Hong Kong72 Posts
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
Great to see KG perform like the Big Ticket again. Great that Fish gets some respect. Sad that the Cs lost. I got the impression that only the poor shooting by Allen (and Sheed) were responsible for the Lakers win. With only the half of their 3s hitting the Lakers would not have been able to build such a big lead in 1st half. Some people say they defended well on Allen. Ok they defended better than in Game 2, but I can't remember that Allen (and Wallace) took any wild shots, no shot was extremly high contested and the plays Boston ran for Allen were great executed. btw: Got a question for you, that maybe only people who enjoy good basketball press can answer to me. When I looked up Fishers profile at nba.com I recognized that he was the Lakers PG in all finals appearances in the Kobe era. Do you think he is one of the Lakers greatest and that the #2 gets retired after his career? | ||
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
[B]btw: Got a question for you, that maybe only people who enjoy good basketball press can answer to me. When I looked up Fishers profile at nba.com I recognized that he was the Lakers PG in all finals appearances in the Kobe era. Do you think he is one of the Lakers greatest and that the #2 gets retired after his career? Fisher has always had his role during LA playoffs. Like it or not, he is a solid piece for the Lakers. One of the Lakers greatest, i wouldn't say so. IMO he's like "ron harper" of the Bulls era. He's good where is at, nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Make7UpYours
893 Posts
On June 09 2010 17:57 OneOther wrote: I thought Luke Walton played pretty good defense in place of Ron Artest, who got two early fouls. If you are the Lakers, why would you keep Artest in the game after he picks up two quick fouls? Artest is usually a liability for the Lakers offense anyway, so there's nothing bad about putting in Walton as long as he plays defense. The offense also flowed much, much better with Walton on the floor. His stats don't show it, but the ball doesn't "stick" as much with Walton moving the ball to the places it needs to go. Contrast to Artest who tends to hold the ball for a second or two when he receives a pass. If I recall correctly, the Lakers run early in the game that pushed the lead well into double digits came when Walton was on the floor. EDIT: Not that I'd rather have Walton playing Artest's minutes, just pointing out that in terms of running the triangle Walton is better than Artest. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
On June 10 2010 00:11 Make7UpYours wrote: EDIT: Not that I'd rather have Walton playing Artest's minutes, just pointing out that in terms of running the triangle Walton is better than Artest. so he should be, he's been under phil for a number of years now whereas artest only has 1 season under his belt. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Fisher isn't as good as Ron Harper was for the Bulls, but he's obviously a good enough PG to win the chip. I'd never call him a top tier PG but when it comes to the Lakers you need to have him - without him they don't get chips. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On June 10 2010 00:11 Make7UpYours wrote: The offense also flowed much, much better with Walton on the floor. His stats don't show it, but the ball doesn't "stick" as much with Walton moving the ball to the places it needs to go. Contrast to Artest who tends to hold the ball for a second or two when he receives a pass. If I recall correctly, the Lakers run early in the game that pushed the lead well into double digits came when Walton was on the floor. EDIT: Not that I'd rather have Walton playing Artest's minutes, just pointing out that in terms of running the triangle Walton is better than Artest. Yeah, completely agreed | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On June 09 2010 22:16 x2fst wrote: kobe needs to win a title without fisher to prove himself iyam ha ha ha.. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 10 2010 01:29 unknown.sam wrote: so he should be, he's been under phil for a number of years now whereas artest only has 1 season under his belt. So much more than that, Luke has a great basketball mind whereas Artest dosen't. Luke understands the flow of the game whereas Artest is stupid. Seriously no one try to argue this one, Artest is just plain dumb. He's a great defender and a physical specimen and brings a lot to the table, but he's just dumb. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 09 2010 17:48 climax wrote: btw, what in the world is Phil thinking putting in Luke Walton so early, actually, at all? he is just terrible. I would rather see Mbenga go up against KG or something. That's actually the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Your SF is in foul trouble so you send in your 3rd string center to replace him? | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 10 2010 05:52 Miss_Cleo wrote: That's actually the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Your SF is in foul trouble so you send in your 3rd string center to replace him? I don't think he was suggesting that Mbenga actually be subbed in for Artest in place of Luke. He was saying that he'd rather have Mbenga guarding KG than Luke guarding Pierce. He's wrong (Luke is an underrated defender, particularly against slower, less explosive guys like Pierce), but not in the way you think. | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
On June 10 2010 00:11 Make7UpYours wrote: The offense also flowed much, much better with Walton on the floor. His stats don't show it, but the ball doesn't "stick" as much with Walton moving the ball to the places it needs to go. Contrast to Artest who tends to hold the ball for a second or two when he receives a pass. If I recall correctly, the Lakers run early in the game that pushed the lead well into double digits came when Walton was on the floor. EDIT: Not that I'd rather have Walton playing Artest's minutes, just pointing out that in terms of running the triangle Walton is better than Artest. Actual Walton's Numbers did show it. He had the biggest differential of his team with +14. Although his stat line doesn't show it, his impact on defense and making the first pass, or extra pass to initiate a play cannot be overlooked. He also had the beauty of a shot over a defender as the shot clock was running down and drained it. I think they need to have more confidence in him and let him take more shots. EDIT: I think they should utilize Mbenga. He's got a good jump shot, and his defense is really good. They should put in him in as a body to help compensate for Bynum's injury instead of making Pau switch from the 4 to 5 constantly. | ||
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CSN
United States175 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:04 eatmyshorts5 wrote: Actual Walton's Numbers did show it. He had the biggest differential of his team with +14. Although his stat line doesn't show it, his impact on defense and making the first pass, or extra pass to initiate a play cannot be overlooked. He also had the beauty of a shot over a defender as the shot clock was running down and drained it. I think they need to have more confidence in him and let him take more shots. EDIT: I think they should utilize Mbenga. He's got a good jump shot, and his defense is really good. They should put in him in as a body to help compensate for Bynum's injury instead of making Pau switch from the 4 to 5 constantly. mbenga's d is okay, but id rather pau or lamar at the C | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:04 eatmyshorts5 wrote: Actual Walton's Numbers did show it. He had the biggest differential of his team with +14. Although his stat line doesn't show it, his impact on defense and making the first pass, or extra pass to initiate a play cannot be overlooked. He also had the beauty of a shot over a defender as the shot clock was running down and drained it. I think they need to have more confidence in him and let him take more shots. EDIT: I think they should utilize Mbenga. He's got a good jump shot, and his defense is really good. They should put in him in as a body to help compensate for Bynum's injury instead of making Pau switch from the 4 to 5 constantly. Everything you said. Mbenga is an underrated player - he just looks like a failed experiment. He hustles and sprints down the court, and isn't afraid to get posterized. He's a solid on-ball defender and a very good help defender which is crucial to the Lakers defense. And if you remember back to 06-07 season, Luke was basically their 3rd option. I think once the next season starts and Luke gets back into his old shape, he'll start playing more minutes. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:09 Holcan wrote: confidence in luke walton? you know he is their worst player and if Ray Allen would have hit half his shots like he normally does than we would be complaining about Artest picking up two early fouls. I beg to differ, I think Adam Morrison is the worst player in the Lakers followed by Josh Powell. I actually think Luke is a great player, he just has the luxury of playing in a great team so he doesn't have to score in bunches or make explosive plays. | ||
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CSN
United States175 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:14 Miss_Cleo wrote: I beg to differ, I think Adam Morrison is the worst player in the Lakers followed by Josh Powell. I actually think Luke is a great player, he just has the luxury of playing in a great team so he doesn't have to score in bunches or make explosive plays. i agree, luke is a talented player and def not the worst. | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:31 CSN wrote: i agree, luke is a talented player and def not the worst. What i see in Luke is a lack of self confidence. I see him hesitate to take a shot and then the defender closes down on him and he has to drive and dish or pass. He needs to take those shots. It may have to do something about living up to his father's legacy. | ||
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