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I sorta wish i could find my DS and id totally buy this
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On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:
You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow.
I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry.
Also, fire doesn't beat water =/
EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/
Yes it can, if Psychic is the only thing that beats Psychic then everyone just has a team of 6 Alakazam. Is that balanced to you?
Also Psychic doesn't even counter Psychic so that is wrong in the first place.
And very few people play it competitively on a handheld... it's all on online simulators. It's pretty clear you don't know much about this subject, I suggest checking out smogon.com if you care enough to keep arguing this point :\
Liking RBY is great because I'm sure it was a formulative part of our collective nerd-youth, and any pokemon player is going to have a soft spot for the first gen, but thinking it is the best generation is like thinking SC Vanilla is the best SC. Corsairs omg so uninventive protoss already have scouts to hit air and sairs look like wraiths, 4 pool so easy to counter just do it yourself, zomgg. We here at TL of course have to be elitist and remain free of nostalgia induced errors in judgment when it comes to competitive games 
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On March 04 2011 09:39 PhailSoBaller wrote:
Well then wouldnt that only apply to the people who are involved into the competitive scene? I would rather just play through the games and not even get into the PvP portion. Probably because im an only child and im use to single player games. But yeah. Obviously it has more features and is prettier and what not. and in some parts your right it is just the nostalgia feel but i also think it has a certain charm in its simplicity
That's pretty true as well. In 1996 we didn't have wifi in our giant gray gameboys. In terms of single player and lore, in my opinion, R, B, Y is better than the new stuff. But if you want to spend a lot of time getting into competitive online play, then sure, I have to concede that white/black will be better.
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On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 09:25 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:06 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:02 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 08:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 07:35 Zzoram wrote:
Getting Pokemon White.
Pokemon was probably the best turn-based RPG series ever. Fixed for you. They lost it after silver and gold... EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/
You you start out saying that no logic will convince you the series has improved so why bother.
How does the platform have anything to do with how competitive a game is. Besides, competitive Pokemon is played on PC using simulators.
Added stats and the introduction of items by definition makes it more complex. How can the addition of mechanics dumb down the competitive atmosphere.
And while Psychic types can't really hurt psychic types there is nothing that can hit them. The type dominates generation 1 competitive play. People complain the marine in SC2 is imbalanced because they say you can beat anyone with nothing but marines. It's the exact same thing as early Psychic.
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On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 09:25 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:06 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:02 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 08:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 07:35 Zzoram wrote:
Getting Pokemon White.
Pokemon was probably the best turn-based RPG series ever. Fixed for you. They lost it after silver and gold... EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/
I'm not here to convince you that white/black is better than RBY. People can have that opinion and I'm absolutely fine with that. The fact that because it's a handheld game you can't see it being competitive is funny... A lot of people would say that about SC2 because it's you know... a game...? I don't understand.
However, just because you personally can't view Pokemon as being competitive because it's a handheld is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Pokemon has a competitive scene....You choosing to not see that doesn't make it disappear.
I like how you only put in the added items there as if that doesn't add depth to a game. Sorry to say but generally if you have more variables that bring something you have more depth...and then you have something that isn't dumbed down if the general gameplay is the same.
I tend to agree with you about the later series pokemon not being as clever but you can say Bidoof where I can say Rattata. You have some clever ones and then you have some not so clever pokemon. I find the concept of Spiritomb pretty clever myself.
As for Fire not beating Water...forgive my typo.
To your last edit. That's like saying Mewtwo is balanced because everyone can have a Mewtwo. The thing is if you have a pokemon that requires a team of 4 pokemon just to bring down it's broken and is generally banned. Just because you can get your own Mewtwo doesn't change that fact. What fun is it when everyone would have a team of Mewtwo?
Brings up another point in that there are BANNED pokemon for tournaments because they are just too powerful. Sounds competitive to me. Kinda like banning Magic cards that are ridiculous huh?
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On March 04 2011 09:43 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:25 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:06 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:02 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 08:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 07:35 Zzoram wrote:
Getting Pokemon White.
Pokemon was probably the best turn-based RPG series ever. Fixed for you. They lost it after silver and gold... EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/ I'm not here to convince you that white/black is better than RBY. People can have that opinion and I'm absolutely fine with that. The fact that because it's a handheld game you can't see it being competitive is funny... A lot of people would say that about SC2 because it's you know... a game...? I don't understand. However, just because you personally can't view Pokemon as being competitive because it's a handheld is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Pokemon has a competitive scene....You choosing to not see that doesn't make it disappear. I like how you only put in the added items there as if that doesn't add depth to a game. Sorry to say but generally if you have more variables that bring something you have more depth...and then you have something that isn't dumbed down if the general gameplay is the same. I tend to agree with you about the later series pokemon not being as clever but you can say Bidoof where I can say Rattata. You have some clever ones and then you have some not so clever pokemon. I find the concept of Spiritomb pretty clever myself. As for Fire not beating Water...forgive my typo. To your last edit. That's like saying Mewtwo isn't balanced because everyone can have a Mewtwo. The thing is if you have a pokemon that requires a team of 4 pokemon just to bring down it's broken and is generally banned. Just because you can get your own Mewtwo doesn't change that fact. What fun is it when everyone would have a team of Mewtwo? Brings up another point in that there are BANNED pokemon for tournaments because they are just too powerful. Sounds competitive to me. Kinda like banning Magic cards that are ridiculous huh?
I never said that tournaments don't exist, I said that I've never heard of any. And if you have some links to non-TCG pokemon tournaments, I'd be happy to look at them.
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Oh yeah, forgot this was coming out. Unlike most people i actually went further than just red or blue version of the pokemon games.
Can't tell you how many long car rides that the Pokemon games have entertained me through.
Hope its balanced well, with the variety of pokemon you can catch from the beginning. Im the kind of guy who only likes to train 6 pokemon because i'm being more efficient with the trainer XP given, if i only battle pokemon that will contribute to my final roster.
Diamond was a good game, though for instance if you didnt pick up the fire starter pokemon, your only choice was ponyta, but ponyta's special attack was pretty bad and didn't learn a fire move better than ember untill after level 40 with fire blast. Which has a bad accuracy, and low PP. So It really didn't leave you with a ton of options.
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So pumped. The quality of the new Pokemon (in terms of style, and aesthetic) seems extremely variable, but I'm sure it'll be good nonetheless. Hopefully I'll have enough time to EV-train a good team for this set of games as I have in the past.
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I'm the kind of person that picks pokemon purely on their looks and hoards items like crazy (I go through the whole game without using anything I've picked up. I'm looking forward to more of the same with some added features.
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On March 04 2011 09:49 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 09:43 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:25 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:06 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:02 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 08:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 07:35 Zzoram wrote:
Getting Pokemon White.
Pokemon was probably the best turn-based RPG series ever. Fixed for you. They lost it after silver and gold... EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/ I'm not here to convince you that white/black is better than RBY. People can have that opinion and I'm absolutely fine with that. The fact that because it's a handheld game you can't see it being competitive is funny... A lot of people would say that about SC2 because it's you know... a game...? I don't understand. However, just because you personally can't view Pokemon as being competitive because it's a handheld is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Pokemon has a competitive scene....You choosing to not see that doesn't make it disappear. I like how you only put in the added items there as if that doesn't add depth to a game. Sorry to say but generally if you have more variables that bring something you have more depth...and then you have something that isn't dumbed down if the general gameplay is the same. I tend to agree with you about the later series pokemon not being as clever but you can say Bidoof where I can say Rattata. You have some clever ones and then you have some not so clever pokemon. I find the concept of Spiritomb pretty clever myself. As for Fire not beating Water...forgive my typo. To your last edit. That's like saying Mewtwo isn't balanced because everyone can have a Mewtwo. The thing is if you have a pokemon that requires a team of 4 pokemon just to bring down it's broken and is generally banned. Just because you can get your own Mewtwo doesn't change that fact. What fun is it when everyone would have a team of Mewtwo? Brings up another point in that there are BANNED pokemon for tournaments because they are just too powerful. Sounds competitive to me. Kinda like banning Magic cards that are ridiculous huh? I never said that tournaments don't exist, I said that I've never heard of any. And if you have some links to non-TCG pokemon tournaments, I'd be happy to look at them.
http://www.smogon.com/tournaments/active_tournaments Is a list of tournaments from Smoogn.
http://www.pokemonworldchampionships.com/2010/ The official Nintendo World Championships.
Plus a whole bunch of smaller tournaments across the net that are often community specific such as www.reddit.com/r/pokemonleague (one I'm an admin for myself).
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I played this but it didn't save or something. I didn't get that far but in it but it is pretty good.
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going to get white for obvious reasons
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On March 04 2011 10:20 Tercotta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 09:49 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:43 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:25 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:06 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:02 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 08:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 07:35 Zzoram wrote:
Getting Pokemon White.
Pokemon was probably the best turn-based RPG series ever. Fixed for you. They lost it after silver and gold... EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/ I'm not here to convince you that white/black is better than RBY. People can have that opinion and I'm absolutely fine with that. The fact that because it's a handheld game you can't see it being competitive is funny... A lot of people would say that about SC2 because it's you know... a game...? I don't understand. However, just because you personally can't view Pokemon as being competitive because it's a handheld is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Pokemon has a competitive scene....You choosing to not see that doesn't make it disappear. I like how you only put in the added items there as if that doesn't add depth to a game. Sorry to say but generally if you have more variables that bring something you have more depth...and then you have something that isn't dumbed down if the general gameplay is the same. I tend to agree with you about the later series pokemon not being as clever but you can say Bidoof where I can say Rattata. You have some clever ones and then you have some not so clever pokemon. I find the concept of Spiritomb pretty clever myself. As for Fire not beating Water...forgive my typo. To your last edit. That's like saying Mewtwo isn't balanced because everyone can have a Mewtwo. The thing is if you have a pokemon that requires a team of 4 pokemon just to bring down it's broken and is generally banned. Just because you can get your own Mewtwo doesn't change that fact. What fun is it when everyone would have a team of Mewtwo? Brings up another point in that there are BANNED pokemon for tournaments because they are just too powerful. Sounds competitive to me. Kinda like banning Magic cards that are ridiculous huh? I never said that tournaments don't exist, I said that I've never heard of any. And if you have some links to non-TCG pokemon tournaments, I'd be happy to look at them. http://www.smogon.com/tournaments/active_tournaments Is a list of tournaments from Smoogn. http://www.pokemonworldchampionships.com/2010/ The official Nintendo World Championships. Plus a whole bunch of smaller tournaments across the net that are often community specific such as www.reddit.com/r/pokemonleague (one I'm an admin for myself).
Unless I'm mistaken, the smogon tournaments don't appear to have prizes?
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On March 04 2011 10:29 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 10:20 Tercotta wrote:On March 04 2011 09:49 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:43 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:25 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 09:06 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 09:02 Jayme wrote:On March 04 2011 08:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:On March 04 2011 07:35 Zzoram wrote:
Getting Pokemon White.
Pokemon was probably the best turn-based RPG series ever. Fixed for you. They lost it after silver and gold... EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/ I'm not here to convince you that white/black is better than RBY. People can have that opinion and I'm absolutely fine with that. The fact that because it's a handheld game you can't see it being competitive is funny... A lot of people would say that about SC2 because it's you know... a game...? I don't understand. However, just because you personally can't view Pokemon as being competitive because it's a handheld is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Pokemon has a competitive scene....You choosing to not see that doesn't make it disappear. I like how you only put in the added items there as if that doesn't add depth to a game. Sorry to say but generally if you have more variables that bring something you have more depth...and then you have something that isn't dumbed down if the general gameplay is the same. I tend to agree with you about the later series pokemon not being as clever but you can say Bidoof where I can say Rattata. You have some clever ones and then you have some not so clever pokemon. I find the concept of Spiritomb pretty clever myself. As for Fire not beating Water...forgive my typo. To your last edit. That's like saying Mewtwo isn't balanced because everyone can have a Mewtwo. The thing is if you have a pokemon that requires a team of 4 pokemon just to bring down it's broken and is generally banned. Just because you can get your own Mewtwo doesn't change that fact. What fun is it when everyone would have a team of Mewtwo? Brings up another point in that there are BANNED pokemon for tournaments because they are just too powerful. Sounds competitive to me. Kinda like banning Magic cards that are ridiculous huh? I never said that tournaments don't exist, I said that I've never heard of any. And if you have some links to non-TCG pokemon tournaments, I'd be happy to look at them. http://www.smogon.com/tournaments/active_tournaments Is a list of tournaments from Smoogn. http://www.pokemonworldchampionships.com/2010/ The official Nintendo World Championships. Plus a whole bunch of smaller tournaments across the net that are often community specific such as www.reddit.com/r/pokemonleague (one I'm an admin for myself). Unless I'm mistaken, the smogon tournaments don't appear to have prizes?
Only if you don't count the glory.
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Going to pick it up the 6th! They aren't doing midnigth release though
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Fixed for you.
They lost it after silver and gold...
EDIT: Not trying to hate on pokemon or anything. It's an epic series, and I will probably buy one of these two games. ....I'm just not paying full price for it. The depth of the game reached its zenith with Generation 4. I mean I used to be a die hard 151er like everyone else and then I remembered how terribly imbalanced the game was back then. Picked up Emerald a year ago just to fuck around on my phone and have since purchased a DS, Pearl Platinum, HG SS and I have White already being shipped to me. I'll probably purchase Black after I beat White for completions sake. Unfortunately it was just one of those series that decided not to grow with its audience. I thought about one time how ridiculous it is that 10 year old children command monsters that can shoot jets of flame hotter than 1500 C. A more realistic take on pokemon is actually an interesting concept in and of itself....THE CREATOR DIDNT THINK THE SAME THOUGH. How can a non-competitive game be imbalanced...? Sure, the TCG maybe, but that isn't what we are discussing. And to my knowledge, there is no professional pokemon (not TCG) scene. The pokemon created after gold and silver are not creative at all. The series just seems dumbed down for kids these days, because they lack imagination. A game doesnt have to be competitive for imbalances to show. Your point doesn't fly either because Pokemon certainly can be competitive. You are correct that there is no professional Pokemon game scene I guess but there certainly is a tournament one. Just go over to smogon university for a taste of the same elitism you'd see in TL except they talk about Pokemon instead of BW. As for imbalanced you had this type called PSYCHIC in generation 1 that had no viable counter at all. This has since changed. The game hasn't been dumbed down at all. The amount of depth in IV's, EV's, prediction, movesets, added items, egg moves and yes added pokemon has made the game rather difficult to be good at. You need to know a whole lot about every viable pokemon to be in any way competitive. I was of the same mind that Pokemon was a simple ass game that was just...Oh fire beats water thats the end of it blah blah blah. It's quite a lot more complicated than that... You'll never be able to convince me that white/black is better than red/blue/yellow. I guess I simply cannot view pokemon as a competitive game. Maybe it's because it's on a handheld console only, I don't know. Also, added items doesn't mean the game isn't dumbed down... And stupid shit pokemon like bidoof are not more clever than series 1 pokemon...Sorry. Also, fire doesn't beat water =/ EDIT: Psychic is the counter to psychic. It's not like in SC2 where Terrans can't use colossos to therefore colossus is imba. Anyone can go get a psychic pokemon, therefore it cannot be imba =/ I'm not here to convince you that white/black is better than RBY. People can have that opinion and I'm absolutely fine with that. The fact that because it's a handheld game you can't see it being competitive is funny... A lot of people would say that about SC2 because it's you know... a game...? I don't understand. However, just because you personally can't view Pokemon as being competitive because it's a handheld is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Pokemon has a competitive scene....You choosing to not see that doesn't make it disappear. I like how you only put in the added items there as if that doesn't add depth to a game. Sorry to say but generally if you have more variables that bring something you have more depth...and then you have something that isn't dumbed down if the general gameplay is the same. I tend to agree with you about the later series pokemon not being as clever but you can say Bidoof where I can say Rattata. You have some clever ones and then you have some not so clever pokemon. I find the concept of Spiritomb pretty clever myself. As for Fire not beating Water...forgive my typo. To your last edit. That's like saying Mewtwo isn't balanced because everyone can have a Mewtwo. The thing is if you have a pokemon that requires a team of 4 pokemon just to bring down it's broken and is generally banned. Just because you can get your own Mewtwo doesn't change that fact. What fun is it when everyone would have a team of Mewtwo? Brings up another point in that there are BANNED pokemon for tournaments because they are just too powerful. Sounds competitive to me. Kinda like banning Magic cards that are ridiculous huh? I never said that tournaments don't exist, I said that I've never heard of any. And if you have some links to non-TCG pokemon tournaments, I'd be happy to look at them. http://www.smogon.com/tournaments/active_tournaments Is a list of tournaments from Smoogn. http://www.pokemonworldchampionships.com/2010/ The official Nintendo World Championships. Plus a whole bunch of smaller tournaments across the net that are often community specific such as www.reddit.com/r/pokemonleague (one I'm an admin for myself). Unless I'm mistaken, the smogon tournaments don't appear to have prizes? Only if you don't count the glory.
Oh I forgot about the glory.
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Smogon is the shit, im picking up black version soon. Pretty much I've always bought at least one of the new ve3rsions since the beginning. Used to import it when I was super die hard, however i started to just wait for the official NA release.
To before, comparing black and white to blue and red isn't really a fair comparison. Different Era, type of handheld, etc. If they came out at the same time Black and white would be better because of everything, but thats after tons of improvements, mainly color.
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I preordered it and am having it shipped to me (no car at school ). Can't wait to play it. I should probably go back and beat Diamond soon.
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ive been EV training a new Dratini just so i can import it into this... pretty excited
i think my first playthrough will be with 2 pokemon.... thats pretty fun if you pick the right ones but since there are now only 150, not that easy to miss one of the top 30 which is all you need to dominate
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R/B/Y aren't the best because they don't have running shoes. Movement in the world is way, way better with running shoes introduced in the later games. It's like Diablo 1 move speed vs Diablo 2 move speed, you can't go back.
B/W also dramatically improves the single player in many other ways. For example, TMs are reusable now, so you can actually experiment with different move sets instead of having to pick a specific Pokemon to give your only copy of a move.
Also, experience gain is much more balanced so you don't have to grind as much. You always gained more experience from stronger enemies and less from weaker ones, but the new system pushes it further so that the difference is bigger. Sort of like Diablo 2, where there came a point that killing mobs too low wouldn't be worth much of anything due to the penalty for level gap.
Animations have also improved and are faster paced. Also there are now triple battles and rotational battles where you have to manage multiple Pokemon at once. Pokemon Centers and PokeMarts have been merged into one building so you don't have to run to 2 buildings across each town to do the things you need to do. Also, there are healers in the middle of large dungeons so you don't have to keep going back to town to heal and buy healing items and grind until you can move through a dungeon 1-hitting everything so you don't take damage, improving the pace of the game. Initiating PvP can now be done anywhere in the world, you don't have to go to the nearest Pokemon Center basement anymore.
It's also go the best graphics and animations of all the games, as well as having changing seasons, where every 1 real month that passes, a season goes by in-game. Different seasons have different Pokemon come out and some areas are only accessible during certain seasons.
There is also an online Dream World where you can catch Pokemon from the older games, and online PvP and trading directly or through an auction house. There is also a sort of online co-op mode where you meet and do challenge missions to win some temporary power ups.
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