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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On November 17 2010 20:42 NicolBolas wrote: What's wrong with wanting new characters? You can't just expect them to keep using the same ones over and over again. Was hoping they keep the "joke" characters like TronBonne to a minimum. She-hulk and X-23 seem pretty redundant with Hulk and Wolverine in the roster as well. | ||
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
she actually looks like she would fit my play style and be pretty fun. I imagine that she hulk isn't a clone of hulk at all | ||
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
On November 17 2010 20:42 NicolBolas wrote: The other thing you don't realize is just how much recycled art MvC2 used. Bringing, for example, Juggernaut, into MvC2 was very easy. They just took his spites from Marvel Super Heroes, maybe added a few more to clean up the animations if that, modified the character stats, and that's it. It probably took one guy a couple of days worth of work. It is for that reason, and that alone, that MvC2 was able to have 56 characters. When you can just pull characters in from previous games with no real work, you can do that. Bringing Juggernaut into MvC3 would require actual effort. You'd have to make a Juggernaut model, from scratch. No stealing art. You'd have to make Juggernaut animations; you couldn't steal them from another character since he's so different. And so forth. That time and effort to make the character would have to come from somewhere. Either hiring on more staff (drives up cost of development) or not making a different character. Expecting MvC3 to have the same size roster as MvC2 is simply unrealistic. hmmm I don't think we're seeing eye to eye. I don't expect another 56 man roster, and I don't expect every character they threw into mvc2 to make the cut. No one is shedding tears because Spiral and Blackheart didn't get in. People are even totally ok with no Cable, despite all the play he got. But that's some SF3 style shit to drop the entire cast of core characters people like. And history has shown pretty clearly that from a purely business standpoint, that SF3 complete change of characters was a huge mistake. SF4 immediately going back to the roots of the roster people like and being a wildly successful game is proof imo And since when are they not just copy pasting characters still? Ryu, Chun, Viewtiful Joe, Zero, and Morrigan are all just copy pastes with maybe a little tweaking from TvC. Wouldn't be surprised by Megaman and Roll being ported over with no work as well. Development costs are no excuse for this game either. It's been ten years. You're guaranteed to make it back in sales. Ultimately though, to be perfectly honest, I want some core old characters back as reassurance that this actually is MvC3 that's being made, and not TvC2 that it looks suspiciously similar to. Maybe I'm off base because I'm too deep into the old vs series. On a slightly different note, it's all about being told straight up now that when we buy the game at release, we're not actually getting the full game and they'll be charging us extra for the rest of it later. That garbage is why I don't play BB =( | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
I don't expect a mega-roster like MvC2 (which had too many clones anyways), but it seems like Capcom can't really make up their minds about character selection. On the one hand, they're obviously trying to avoid having franchise saturation and cutting out mega-popular characters like Cyclops and Cammy so it doesn't turn into X-Men vs Street Fighter again with cameos from the rest of Marvel and Capcom, but on the other hand it also seems like they're deliberately cramming in unpopular characters that... I guess the developers just like or something? It would make sense to have the number of characters from each franchise range based on how large the franchise is (in terms of characters, not popularity). A super verse like the Fantastic Four section of the Marvel verse gets two fighters, Doctor Doom and Super Skrull, and another super verse like Street Fighter gets two, Ryu and Chun-Li, for instance. Smaller or newer verses get only one, like in the case of Amaterasu and Viewtiful Joe, for example. This has led us to great new picks like MODOK and Deadpool, while limiting the saturation of mega franchises like not having a roster of twelve million X-Men characters like last time. But then Capcom breaks their own rule and inserts random less popular characters for apparently no reason, like She-Hulk, X-23, and Spencer, or inserting additional characters from already represented franchises like Zero, Trish, or come on, Wesker?! I get that there's some developer favoritism, but if you're going to insert Capcom characters for the sake of it being a Capcom game, what about Jubei or Strider Hiryu, or a character from Ace Attorney or Power Stone? Or hell, bring in one of the new fighters from SFIV, in terms of representation I don't think anyone's going to try to argue against them, and I would absolutely love to see Rufus or El Fuerte beating up on Dormammu or someone. Some of the new picks like Amaterasu and Super Skrull are absolute brilliance and are really well-represented in-game. Other picks like Trish and Wesker baffle me and seem to just be in the game due to developer favoritism. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 24 2010 07:54 LegendaryZ wrote: I have no idea why people are saying that She-Hulk is a redundant character. Yeah, she's green, but that's about it in terms of their similarity from what I've seen in the gameplay videos. And yes, they are putting in too many obscure or otherwise garbage characters. The redundancy is not from a gameplay aspect but from the franchise aspect. There's already a character from the Hulk part of the Marvel verse - the Hulk. That verse isn't big enough to warrant two characters, at least in comparison to the already existing franchises that have two representing fighters. This is also precisely why it makes no sense for Resident Evil to have 3 (!) representing fighters when even the X-Men only have two. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Likewise, I don't care if it's MvC3 or TvC2 or MvC1.5 or what. It's a new game with some new systems, some old systems, some new characters, and some old characters. The name of the game or what "series" it's in doesn't change how it plays or looks. About character selection, Capcom characters mostly come from whatever it is the developers like (those working on MvC3 as well as those of other franchises asking their character to be put in) and think will work within the system. Marvel character selections seems to be heavily regulated by Marvel itself. I don't read their comics, so I can't comment on which franchises or characters they are trying to push. For the record, we're still looking at an incomplete roster. I really doubt there will be only two main X-Men by release. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On November 18 2010 02:31 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I don't know about she-hulk, but x-23 is completely different then wolverine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdfeIiSHEWA she actually looks like she would fit my play style and be pretty fun. I imagine that she hulk isn't a clone of hulk at all she looks like a combo of wolverine and cammy. pretty cool | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On November 24 2010 07:54 LegendaryZ wrote: I have no idea why people are saying that She-Hulk is a redundant character. Yeah, she's green, but that's about it in terms of their similarity from what I've seen in the gameplay videos. And yes, they are putting in too many obscure or otherwise garbage characters. Personally, I like having more "obscure" characters. They're more likely to be interesting and play uniquely than the common ones. On November 24 2010 08:44 Krigwin wrote: The redundancy is not from a gameplay aspect but from the franchise aspect. There's already a character from the Hulk part of the Marvel verse - the Hulk. That verse isn't big enough to warrant two characters, at least in comparison to the already existing franchises that have two representing fighters. This is also precisely why it makes no sense for Resident Evil to have 3 (!) representing fighters when even the X-Men only have two. I imagine She-Hulk is justified by the "She-Hulk is hot" principle. Which is generally why She-Hulk exists in the first place... As for why RE gets 3 characters. RE is probably Capcom's biggest franchise currently, by way of sales. | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
Think I got my team although the roster isn't final, Ryu, Spencer(Morrigan) and Thor. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 24 2010 09:38 NicolBolas wrote: I imagine She-Hulk is justified by the "She-Hulk is hot" principle. Which is generally why She-Hulk exists in the first place... As for why RE gets 3 characters. RE is probably Capcom's biggest franchise currently, by way of sales. If you're going to bring up the Rule of Sexy justification, there are plenty of Marvel characters much hotter than She-Hulk who also could have been in this game now that I think about it: Scarlet Witch, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Black Widow, etc. These are all characters older and more popular than She-Hulk by the way, with the exception of Scarlet Witch they've all been in big-production films as well. And why X-23 when she's basically a practical clone of a much older and more popular character: Lady Deathstrike? It's pure favoritism, no other explanation, they're trying to make less-known characters that they like (and in the case of X-23, who was made in 2004, that are extremely new) more popular, which is a form of fan disservice. As for the profits argument, I'd be willing to bet that the combined profits of X-Men related entertainment media and related paraphernalia over the decades would probably dwarf the gross income of all of Capcom. Going by that argument the roster should be something like 70% X-Men characters. In fact, now that I think about it, my biggest complaint about the RE roster isn't even the fact that they have 3 characters, it's that they're like, the three worst characters thus far in the RE series: RE5 Chris, RE5 Jill, and RE5 Wesker. What about RE4 Leon? Or REmake Jill? Or better yet, scrap all 3 and put in the real hero of Resident Evil. That's right folks, Mr. Barry Burton. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On November 24 2010 09:24 Myrmidon wrote: I don't get why sometimes people get upset over DLC (other than the annoyance for organizing tournaments, which I totally agree with). If there's a great game that I'd play a lot, I'd pay $200 or more for it. If $60 was the box price and $140 more came from DLC, whatever. Then you are an unusual person with unusual priorities for your cash. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On November 24 2010 11:09 UniversalSnip wrote: Then you are an unusual person with unusual priorities for your cash. Because it's the classic bait and switch tactic. When someone makes a game and acts like its going to be great etc. Then you buy it, then all the sudden there is important competitive content needed to buy for it in rapid succession it feels like they could have just waited a few more months to release a more polished product but instead they purposefully do it just to rip as much money off of customers. This is bad because it will start deterring initial buyers and like you said fuck with tournaments. And no one is going to pay 100-200$ for a game ever. If they know they are paying 60 up front and then going to have to be nickel and dimed over the course of a year for the rest of the game up to 200 people are not going to invest in the initial game. Btw we can pretty much blame MMORPG players for this because they have shown the industry that these casual sheep players are willing to pay 15$ a month plus price of game, plus expansions, plus items on ebay or blizz store, or blizzcon special items etc. Esports underground suffers at the expense of mainstream bullshit, just like music or anything else. | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
Marvel: • Blade • Daredevil • Dr. Strange • Emma Frost • Fantastic Four • Gambit (verified through uStream) • Ghost Rider • Kingpin • Mojo • Loki • Punisher • Silver Surfer (verified through uStream) Capcom: • Amingo • Demitri • Gene (from God Hand) • Gill (from Street Fighter 3) • Megaman X • Nemesis • Nero • Phoenix Wright • Ruby Heart • Tyrant • Vergil I wish Blade was in it because we would have gotten someone on the Marvel side with a sword and a black character :/ | ||
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Gorguts
Canada254 Posts
On November 17 2010 16:40 oxxo wrote: It's MARVEL vs CAPCOM. Not X-Men vs Street Fighter like it sounds like you want it to be. That is what EVERYONE wants, lol. please, there is NO ONE who was like "OH man! MVC3 announced! i really hope it has Viewtiful Joe and Chris Redfield and X-23!!" | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
Storm: C. Viper: It looks like my team is complete and she appears to have a focus attack move :D More game play videos: | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:59 Gorguts wrote: That is what EVERYONE wants, lol. please, there is NO ONE who was like "OH man! MVC3 announced! i really hope it has Viewtiful Joe and Chris Redfield and X-23!!" but there was probably way more ppl saying "please dante/Amaterasu/thor" or w/e. hell i myself was even rooting for phoenix wright for lolz. and yea was just about to post storm/viper. happy to see storm back and viper in. focus attack made me go O_o | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
She appears to have an airdash, though it looked like it might only be one way. the new typhoons seem kinda cool, really slow startup but pretty neat stuff. otg with vert. typhoon combos? knockdown into hailstorm? still has LA x2 into super? looks fun! wtf at throw into vert typhoon? is shit rollable in this game and the gameplay videos just aint doing it or is the otg window really that big? I'm excited, for sure. =) A slow storm is still worlds better than no storm in my book heheh does viper have a divekick now? (end of the last video looked like it). | ||
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
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