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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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emc
United States3088 Posts
does anyone else get button lag? I do same region only and still get tremendous lag I can't even play. So god damn frustrating. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
LMFAO i can watch a stream of paint drying if yipes is commentating edit: Irrelevant United States. March 06 2011 09:36. Posts 1275 PM Profile Blog Report Quote # Still have yet to see one of these pros you guys are using for your argument use a standard ps3/xbox control, they are all using 3x2 arcane layout pads. Trumpet United States. March 05 2011 20:34. Posts 770 PM Profile Blog Report Quote # On March 05 2011 19:30 Irrelevant wrote: Winter Brawl SF4 finals was a pad player vs a pad player. Fanatic, one of the top (and most notorious) mvc2 players uses a ps2 pad to play. And he played in a $45,000 money match (which he won!). Most these guys (Fanatic, Wolfkrone) can play on an arcade stick but stick to the pad out of preference. One plays MvC2 MSP, the other plays C.Viper in SF4. If that shit's possible on pad, what isn't? oh wait they don't count cuz fanatiq uses ps2 pad and inthul uses a sega saturn pad right? as far as i'm concerned it's all the same dam thing | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
I believe the premise that Stick is preferred over pad simply because games were played in Arcades. There are pro's to using a stick but they certainly aren't that big of a deal if you can get your execution to the level you want on pad. And game like MvC3 were the timing for everything is so forgiving pad is definitely an option, I mean honestly I think I would do better in a pad than an American MAS stick and that's what the old pro's used to play on so yeah... And from personal experience I got into the fighting game scene thru GGPO and it took me a long long time before my Stick skills were up to par of my Keyboard skills, I could do short hops in KoF using a Keyboard. Just use what you want but I think that if you are just going to get started on fighting games try your best to get your hands on a stick but don't think for one second they are necessary. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
A player goes with whatever works for him. If he finds it easier to learn on stick. he stays on stick, if he finds it easier on pad, he plays on pad. All other advanced tactics come with them learning to play on their choice of instrument. What does it matter if the stick is generally easier for most people when the one certain person can't pull off anything remotely decent on a stick? | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On March 06 2011 08:39 red.venom wrote: Guess this game flopped pretty hard. Pretty sad for the fighting game scene = [ I mean im not in love with the game but it seems fun It did? How so? Were any of the many, many players informed before the alleged flop took place? | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 06 2011 14:54 myrmidon2537 wrote: So what if I find kara-ing and p-linking easier on pad? A player goes with whatever works for him. If he finds it easier to learn on stick. he stays on stick, if he finds it easier on pad, he plays on pad. All other advanced tactics come with them learning to play on their choice of instrument. What does it matter if the stick is generally easier for most people when the one certain person can't pull off anything remotely decent on a stick? Do you not understand generally easier and most people? Which means if some random person I have no interaction with asks me what do I think they'll performance better on given equal time of training, stick or pad, I will recommend stick because it's generally better for most people. | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
As someone also mentioned, the reason people find *stick* "generally easier" is because they learned the game during the time of arcades. For all you know, 10 to 12 years from know that will change. It doesn't really matter what is generally easier because if asked, and they force themselves to play with a peripheral they just don't like its just going to hold them back. It just so happened that majority of the FG community learned to play on the stick There is no "easier" or "more potential" stick vs pad. its just what you prefer | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
Coulda fooled me. | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
On March 06 2011 13:35 KissBlade wrote: First off, your personal experiences doesn't matter in regards to performance of stick versus pad for the competitive scene unless you're a competitive player. On March 07 2011 02:00 KissBlade wrote: Do you not understand generally easier and most people? Which means if some random person I have no interaction with asks me what do I think they'll performance better on given equal time of training, stick or pad, I will recommend stick because it's generally better for most people. OK so because I'm not Justin Wong my personal opinions and preference don't matter? Do you see how retarded that statement is? For all means and purposes I AM a tournament player just because I'm not "pro" doesn't mean my testimony is invalid. And for the second part no, you're wrong again, the correct answer is "Most people use sticks but there are a couple of pad players as well". Yes there are things that are easier on stick but there are things that are easier on pad for example: Zangief's standing Ultra 1 and C.Vipers super jump cancel sismos. And again the only reason why so many people chose stick over pad is because they grew-up playing on sticks. There are NO inherent flaws with a pad that would hinder your execution as long as you practice with it and like I said before I would even chose a pad over the old American MAS sticks which were basically gigantic pads. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 07 2011 02:17 myrmidon2537 wrote: You also seem to not understand "generally easier" and "most people" are also relative to where you are from. As mentioned, "generally easier" is also dependent. Some things are "generally easier" on pad, some on stick. As someone also mentioned, the reason people find *stick* "generally easier" is because they learned the game during the time of arcades. For all you know, 10 to 12 years from know that will change. It doesn't really matter what is generally easier because if asked, and they force themselves to play with a peripheral they just don't like its just going to hold them back. It just so happened that majority of the FG community learned to play on the stick There is no "easier" or "more potential" stick vs pad. its just what you prefer First off, the reason you stated is an "assumption". Not everyone who plays on stick grew up on the arcades. Personally I started on pad for a majority of games as do many that I know. The best competition tends to play at the arcades which made learning stick even more important. But it's a wild statement to assumed they learned to play on stick just because it's the "default". Muscle memory for most games have to be rebuilt. For example, I learned Blazblue on pad completely so swapping to stick to that game still causes me a noticeable decrease in performance but I play MvC3 and Arcana Heart 3 on stick. Second, you still ignore the fact that arcade sticks made certain commands easier. Pads require most inputs to be placed by thumb while arcades allows multi button presses with all your fingers smoother. It's like saying, YES you can type very fast with just your thumb but you will do so easier and faster majority of the time by using your whole hand. There are many other reasons a stick allows better input and I won't get into them as this is just an example. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2011 04:40 Arhkangel wrote: OK so because I'm not Justin Wong my personal opinions and preference don't matter? Do you see how retarded that statement is? For all means and purposes I AM a tournament player just because I'm not "pro" doesn't mean my testimony is invalid. And for the second part no, you're wrong again, the correct answer is "Most people use sticks but there are a couple of pad players as well". Yes there are things that are easier on stick but there are things that are easier on pad for example: Zangief's standing Ultra 1 and C.Vipers super jump cancel sismos. And again the only reason why so many people chose stick over pad is because they grew-up playing on sticks. There are NO inherent flaws with a pad that would hinder your execution as long as you practice with it and like I said before I would even chose a pad over the old American MAS sticks which were basically gigantic pads. I have no idea what your first paragraph was blabbing about since I was saying unless you're in the competitive scene, your personal experiences don't really count when we're talking about top level play. Just because you happen to have a friend who can beat you 9-1 on pad doesn't mean his control is necessarily all that great. Stick doesn't magically give you better knowledge of the game which is far more important for winning. Second, there are inherent flaws with a pad that would hinter your execution. The button layout itself makes more versions tougher than on stick such as plinking or negative edging. The stick allows more precise controls as well since you're not just relying on your thumb. I did admit certain advantages go to pad but the stick boasts more overall. PS. I totally called it when I said Phoenix was going to be a beast in this game (earlier in this thread). =) | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
Secondly, You've never seen people play pad without using their thumbs? Because you can also play on pad tapping with index/middle finger if needed. You also ignore the fact that Pads also made certain commands easier, because that's exactly the point when people say its purely preference. PS. Phoenix is awesome. I'm going to pick her up just because I loved playing as strider =) | ||
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HansMoleman
United States343 Posts
Here is the article - Enjoy http://shoryuken.com/content/unofficial-unity-poll-says-mega-man-x-venom-top-picks-mvc3-dlc-3826/ | ||
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Dr.Dragoon
United States1241 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Megaman would be nice but I really want strider >: | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On March 06 2011 15:59 NicolBolas wrote: It did? How so? Were any of the many, many players informed before the alleged flop took place? The licensing for this game is definitely very expensive. Capcom also expected a pretty big hit out of the gate with this game and so far the numbers are looking worse than Super SF4 which was already a mild disappointment for Capcom. Nothing is set in stone and the game could have really consistent sales for the rest of the year to end up performing decently. But to me it seems companies like Capcom have overestimated the casual interest in fighting games or just don't know how to market to reach them. I guess we'll really know after Tekken x SF. On March 07 2011 02:59 KillerSOS wrote: This game flopped? Coulda fooled me. Don't really get this post. Are you saying you have reason to believe the game sales are meeting Capcoms expectations?? Don't let tons of tournament streams with 1000 people gathering to play the game fool you. So far worldwide the game is somewhere between 400 and 700k sold afaik. Thats after 2-3 weeks. Considering up to half of a games sales usually happen in the first week the game will have trouble even selling 1mil within 5 weeks of release(Which is half of what Capcom expected). Its really bad news and pretty serious if you're into fighting games. I won't post anymore doom + gloom. But I've been really into fighting games since SF2 and I felt like this would happen after Capcom went for updates to SF4 instead of just making SF5 a few years later. | ||
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