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KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
March 14 2016 09:37 GMT
#901
My first game in Tokujou.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016031416gm-0029-0000-bb00deb0&tw=3

Unfortunately, the result bumps me right out temporarily. I hope to get back soon. Few things to work on: damaten defense, paying greater attention to discards the later a hand goes, and balancing options to maximize possibilities.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 18:51:08
March 28 2016 18:49 GMT
#902
It's been going pretty well ever since I read that book:
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Seriously, I highly recommend that book.
My rating is finally improving as well. It's quite annoying though that I get +/-5 rating per match at most. It's still a long way to R1800.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Drac0nis
Profile Joined April 2016
Egypt3 Posts
April 02 2016 12:54 GMT
#903
Hello! I've stumbled upon this thread while looking for Japanese mahjong discussions, and was glad to find an active non-Japanese community for the game. I've been on playing on Tenhou for a good year after teaching myself to play, and only recently have registered an ID and begun playing ranked games. I am also chronicling some of my games on YouTube for my own scrutiny. (I hope the bgm in the vids isn't much of an issue. It's from a web radio I enjoy that plays video game music called NoLife-radio.)

Would appreciate any kind of feedback. I am currently 1st dan and have started playing in joukyu rooms. The spike in challenge was significant and I'm gradually learning more about strategic discarding and basic defense methods.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
April 02 2016 23:50 GMT
#904
Nice to see someone join our community! (well, "community", in pretty loose definition)

I'll try to look at the latest vod when I have the time and give feedback, but mahjong learning book/pdf spinesheath brought up is excellent material to found your basic strategy upon if you haven't read it yet.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Drac0nis
Profile Joined April 2016
Egypt3 Posts
April 03 2016 19:52 GMT
#905
Thanks! I have already gotten that book, and I'm reading through it at the moment. I am going through as many resources as I can find.

There's a 3-part video series I found that shares some of the same principles as the book. It's actually pretty good information. Here's the first part:
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
April 03 2016 20:32 GMT
#906
FYI, Tenhou has replay functionality. It's easier to use than recording and uploading matches onto Youtube, and lets you see how accurate your reads are on other players.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
April 04 2016 19:07 GMT
#907
Though it's apparently not shared by account, meaning you'd have to remember to save the link somewhere else if you play on multiple computers or want to view old games. Recording games by video also have benefit of allowing you to save any commentaries about your current thought processes which could be scrutinized, but in this case it seems to be moot since you're solely using it as form of storage method.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 04 2016 19:50 GMT
#908
On April 05 2016 04:07 Hesmyrr wrote:
Though it's apparently not shared by account, meaning you'd have to remember to save the link somewhere else if you play on multiple computers or want to view old games. Recording games by video also have benefit of allowing you to save any commentaries about your current thought processes which could be scrutinized, but in this case it seems to be moot since you're solely using it as form of storage method.

You can dig up the file that stores the last 40 replays URLs on your computer somewhere under AppData. The actual replay files are stored on tenhou's servers, and probably stay available there for a very long time. At least until the replay is so old that you don't care about it anymore. The file on your computer doesn't contain the actual URL though as far as I remember, just some parts of it. The client pieces those parts together with some other parts to create the actual URL.

So just copy the URLs out of the client if you want to keep them. Replays also have the added benefit that you can look at other people's hands if you want to understand why they played how they did.

Also if you look back to page 15 or so of this thread I posted a tool that downloads the actual replay files from tenhou's servers along with a program that can display them independently of tenhou.net. I haven't touched either of them in quite a while though, so I have no idea if the replay format is still the same and the download still works.

I occasionally sit at work, thinking how much I'd rather code mahjong stuff... I have plenty of ideas for that too. But when I come home I just want to do something else. I can only handle so much coding each a day.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Benawii
Profile Joined December 2013
United States51 Posts
April 04 2016 21:08 GMT
#909
A while back I made a tool that saves the replay URLs from Tenhou clients in a separate file. It does not download the actual log, but I believe it does not get deleted anyway. The tool is at https://github.com/Benawii/tenhou-log-collector. More information is in the README.
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
April 11 2016 23:14 GMT
#910
On April 05 2016 06:08 Benawii wrote:
A while back I made a tool that saves the replay URLs from Tenhou clients in a separate file. It does not download the actual log, but I believe it does not get deleted anyway. The tool is at https://github.com/Benawii/tenhou-log-collector. More information is in the README.


Man, and here I am using forums and/or reddit to archive selected games.

Now, with this tool, so it's possible to download Tenhou logs, upload them into the client, and run the replays offline?

For Anime Central, I'm looking to do some kind of strategy panel and dissect games. Then again, I could also do this for the Intro panel. Up in Anime Milwaukee, I was also doing an intro panel, only to find my slide preparation to be inadequate. So, I took advantage of the convention center's free internet and just loaded up some tenhou links. Unfortunately, Anime Central will not have this free Internet.
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
April 12 2016 06:16 GMT
#911
[image loading]

Took me a while to get here; and it required some bits of hell along the way. I'm sure to expect more hell pressing forward.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-12 17:19:52
April 12 2016 16:23 GMT
#912
On April 12 2016 15:16 KyuuSC wrote:
Took me a while to get here; and it required some bits of hell along the way. I'm sure to expect more hell pressing forward.

Nice! What's your Rating?
I'm on my way there too (at least if things keep going the way they have been lately), but it still might take a while.

On April 12 2016 08:14 KyuuSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2016 06:08 Benawii wrote:
A while back I made a tool that saves the replay URLs from Tenhou clients in a separate file. It does not download the actual log, but I believe it does not get deleted anyway. The tool is at https://github.com/Benawii/tenhou-log-collector. More information is in the README.


Man, and here I am using forums and/or reddit to archive selected games.

Now, with this tool, so it's possible to download Tenhou logs, upload them into the client, and run the replays offline?

For Anime Central, I'm looking to do some kind of strategy panel and dissect games. Then again, I could also do this for the Intro panel. Up in Anime Milwaukee, I was also doing an intro panel, only to find my slide preparation to be inadequate. So, I took advantage of the convention center's free internet and just loaded up some tenhou links. Unfortunately, Anime Central will not have this free Internet.

His program only saves the replay URL. The tenhou client uses that to download the actual replay from the tenhou.net servers. Under normal circumstances you shouldn't be able to use either of the official tenhou clients to watch replays offline. I guess you could in theory fetch the actual replay file and save a client on disk, then simulate the tenhou servers to watch the replay offline... not so trivial.

With my program somewhere in the depths of this thread, running replays offline should be possible, but as I stated above, I haven't touched that in quite a while so I don't know if everything still works. It also doesn't look very much like the official tenhou clients.

Well, I just dug up the tools here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/111078-mahjong-tenhou-thread?page=17

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ef9av0m4d17nyh2/LogGrabber.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/eequtr1kv22s4y6/ReplayAnalyzer.zip

However, the LogGrabber doesn't seem to do its job anymore. Could be that tenhou changed the dowload URLs or something like that. And I didn't really make it configurable back then. And without replays, the viewer is pointless. So, I just checked, and the LogGrabber does indeed get a 404 Error when trying to fetch the replay. And because Tenhou uses some really odd URL transformation, I won't be able to fix it very easily.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Benawii
Profile Joined December 2013
United States51 Posts
April 13 2016 07:40 GMT
#913
On April 12 2016 08:14 KyuuSC wrote:
Now, with this tool, so it's possible to download Tenhou logs, upload them into the client, and run the replays offline?

For Anime Central, I'm looking to do some kind of strategy panel and dissect games. Then again, I could also do this for the Intro panel. Up in Anime Milwaukee, I was also doing an intro panel, only to find my slide preparation to be inadequate. So, I took advantage of the convention center's free internet and just loaded up some tenhou links. Unfortunately, Anime Central will not have this free Internet.

My tool doesn't download the actual mjlog files, mainly because I do not really see a point of doing that. Tenhou's Windows client can actually open mjlog files from disk and run the replay, but to do that it looks like you have to log in first, which would not work without an internet connection. Your best bet is probably to save the replays as screenshots or videos.
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
April 14 2016 14:51 GMT
#914
On April 13 2016 01:23 spinesheath wrote:
Nice! What's your Rating?
I'm on my way there too (at least if things keep going the way they have been lately), but it still might take a while.


I sit at 1840 now. For a year up till February, I've been hovering between 1730-1780 going up and down while remaining at 4-dan par.

Your best bet is probably to save the replays as screenshots or videos.


Yea Sad that client doesn't have offline functionality. The tactics discussions; yea, those can be done with screenshots.

spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-16 07:48:12
April 14 2016 19:09 GMT
#915
My Tenhou Windows client doesn't load anymore all of a sudden. Any ideas why that could be? Reinstalling didn't help; it doesn't work under AppLocale or Japanese region settings. It just sits there showing two progress bars at 0%. I can't find a logfile either.

Edit: apprently it was a server thing. Works again.

Also I just found a tool called logana under
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\C-EGG\tenhou\130
Next to it is a config.ini which contains a path that you can set to a folder where you have some *.mjlog files (like the ones you can download on tenhou.net for all the tenhoui ranked players). If you do that and then start logana, it will list all those files. Double click one and it will start the local client (I assume this tool comes with the windows client). I can't tell if it allows you to view replays without logging in because my client won't start though. God what the hell is this...

Edit: Now that I am able to login again I tried that again and when I try to load a replay from within logana it tells me to start the client, login and start logana from there. So nope, doesn't allow offline replay viewing.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
April 15 2016 08:12 GMT
#916
+ Show Spoiler +
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Why just why
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 17 2016 13:10 GMT
#917
So, I had a plan to "enable" offline replays in the tenhou client by redirecting all traffic from the client to a local fake server (that only does the bare minimum to allow replays). That way the client would think it's online when it actually isn't. But it is quite the hassle (having to access the file C:/Windows/System32/drivers/etc/hosts, which not only requires admin rights but also is specifically protected by antivirus software) and I have little experience with web related stuff.

Maybe one of my colleages can give me a few hints.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Benawii
Profile Joined December 2013
United States51 Posts
April 18 2016 00:30 GMT
#918
On April 17 2016 22:10 spinesheath wrote:
So, I had a plan to "enable" offline replays in the tenhou client by redirecting all traffic from the client to a local fake server (that only does the bare minimum to allow replays). That way the client would think it's online when it actually isn't. But it is quite the hassle (having to access the file C:/Windows/System32/drivers/etc/hosts, which not only requires admin rights but also is specifically protected by antivirus software) and I have little experience with web related stuff.

Maybe one of my colleages can give me a few hints.

Personally, I use a tool called Proxifier to redirect network traffic. It is not free though. Another option is using WinDivert.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 18 2016 17:05 GMT
#919
On April 18 2016 09:30 Benawii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 22:10 spinesheath wrote:
So, I had a plan to "enable" offline replays in the tenhou client by redirecting all traffic from the client to a local fake server (that only does the bare minimum to allow replays). That way the client would think it's online when it actually isn't. But it is quite the hassle (having to access the file C:/Windows/System32/drivers/etc/hosts, which not only requires admin rights but also is specifically protected by antivirus software) and I have little experience with web related stuff.

Maybe one of my colleages can give me a few hints.

Personally, I use a tool called Proxifier to redirect network traffic. It is not free though. Another option is using WinDivert.

Interesting. I will consider WinDivert when I give this idea another try.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
April 22 2016 17:14 GMT
#920
All this activity in this thread has got me to pick Tenhou up again. Logged in what must have been at least 6 months. Found myself around 1850/2000 in 5dan. After a few games, I'm finally back into 6dan.

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