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snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
December 11 2009 07:47 GMT
#161
getting all the achievments is stupid, the best part of wow is the pvp whcih can be quite fun, and you only need to achieve 2200 in each bracket which is quite easy in wow. Raids can also be enjoyable on occasion but not at the length this is going to.
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
December 11 2009 07:49 GMT
#162
On December 11 2009 14:52 Jayme wrote:


Perhaps you didn't read the part where I said "ENJOYED HARD CORE RAIDING." Last time I checked you had to be max level to raid and trust me..leveling to 60...70...80 didn't exactly take effort. A retarded monkey could do it.

Raiding used to be a challenge, so much so that you actually had to think about how to kill a boss. You know that when Naxx at level 60 came out it actually took guilds around 3 months to beat everything in there?

Yeah , they must have had complaints from people that play once a month that their couldn't compete in pvp because the hardcore guys had better gear or something

Last i heard WoW subscription numbers were delcining but i don't think there has been a numbers release for quite a while.Certainly alot of the newer content is pissing some of the long time players off.
Once again back is the incredible!
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
December 11 2009 08:00 GMT
#163
4 horsemen tank transition was the shiz
world 21st kelthuzad ftw.
AQ gates event was the best event that ever happened
my account got suspended maybe 4 times for griefing while the alliance was doing Kazzak, lol.
#1 arb fan -- Raelcun is Nuclear backwards. Rekrul is Lurker backwards. Grobyc is Cyborg backwards. Eniram is Marine backwards.
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
December 11 2009 08:37 GMT
#164
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about
eNoq
Profile Joined June 2009
Netherlands502 Posts
December 11 2009 08:39 GMT
#165
On December 11 2009 15:26 lilsusie wrote:
I agree with you Jayme. Those PvP ones are no joke, and one would need a really good 5 man group for some of the heroic achievements... which means one needs good gear, which means raiding successfully...


Woah, i'm amazed how much you know about WoW :$.

..Eventhough the PvP ones are the easiest ones for me.
Proburu
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 11 2009 08:42 GMT
#166
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote:
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


shadowbane > daoc

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
December 11 2009 09:18 GMT
#167
On December 11 2009 17:42 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote:
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


shadowbane > daoc

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about
ggaemo fan
eNoq
Profile Joined June 2009
Netherlands502 Posts
December 11 2009 09:19 GMT
#168
On December 11 2009 18:18 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 17:42 GGQ wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote:
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


shadowbane > daoc

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about


I'm pretty sure you havn't tried wow at all, Valaki.
Proburu
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
December 11 2009 09:28 GMT
#169
On December 11 2009 18:19 eNoq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 18:18 valaki wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:42 GGQ wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote:
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


shadowbane > daoc

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about


I'm pretty sure you havn't tried wow at all, Valaki.


It was a joke :D Have you ver seen tibia or runescape pvp? Look for it on youtube, you'll laugh for sure, and yeah wow has the best pvp system out there, excluding the class balance.
ggaemo fan
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 11 2009 09:54 GMT
#170
On December 11 2009 18:28 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 18:19 eNoq wrote:
On December 11 2009 18:18 valaki wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:42 GGQ wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote:
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


shadowbane > daoc

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about


I'm pretty sure you havn't tried wow at all, Valaki.


It was a joke :D Have you ver seen tibia or runescape pvp? Look for it on youtube, you'll laugh for sure, and yeah wow has the best pvp system out there, excluding the class balance.


not... at all true
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
December 11 2009 10:01 GMT
#171
On December 11 2009 17:00 SwEEt[TearS] wrote:
4 horsemen tank transition was the shiz
world 21st kelthuzad ftw.
AQ gates event was the best event that ever happened
my account got suspended maybe 4 times for griefing while the alliance was doing Kazzak, lol.


Haha back when I was playing in original wow, was a new server and was about the 3rd time kazzak had been attempted and we (an alliance guild) fought with another alliance guild and a horde guild to kill kazzak for 40~ hours all up. Fun times.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
underscore
Profile Joined August 2009
252 Posts
December 11 2009 13:26 GMT
#172
On December 11 2009 11:22 lilsusie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 10:21 PobTheCad wrote:
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote:
Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.

yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?


The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.

Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...


Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!!
Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind.
If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...
teekuppi
Profile Joined April 2008
78 Posts
December 11 2009 13:39 GMT
#173
On December 11 2009 22:26 underscore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 11:22 lilsusie wrote:
On December 11 2009 10:21 PobTheCad wrote:
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote:
Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.

yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?


The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.

Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...


Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!!
Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind.
If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...


Please enlighten me and tell me what weaknesses and strengths have you transferred from Starcraft to your real life. I'm dying to know
underscore
Profile Joined August 2009
252 Posts
December 11 2009 13:47 GMT
#174
On December 11 2009 22:39 teekuppi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 22:26 underscore wrote:
On December 11 2009 11:22 lilsusie wrote:
On December 11 2009 10:21 PobTheCad wrote:
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote:
Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.

yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?


The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.

Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...


Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!!
Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind.
If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...


Please enlighten me and tell me what weaknesses and strengths have you transferred from Starcraft to your real life. I'm dying to know


Without Starcraft I wouldn't have made so much money at Poker.
It taught me discipline and the need to analyse and reflect, not to let emotions take over and many more things.
Chess and Starcraft are the only two games that gave me trouble sleeping because I couldn't stop thinking about different constellations and strategies.
I don't play either anymore but Starcraft showed me that with dedication and focus you can achieve A LOT.
And that's the main reason I love this game so much.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
December 11 2009 14:02 GMT
#175
You're knocking down on "female" logic and yet you're just full of completely subjective bullshit.
Sorry, but you're insanly ignorant.

You can argue all day long on how "rewarding" something is vs something else, but it's all gonna come down to what you do, and how you use it. Bringing up a example of SC and how YOU have used it, vs how YOU would've used (or used it?) WoW (Two diffrent cases) could be done in the EXACT same fashion Pro WoW vs con SC.

Sitting and working as a team to beat difficult bosses, creating social networks vs playing UMS SC all day. I wonder which is more rewarding and challenging?

Mada Mada Dane
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
December 11 2009 14:04 GMT
#176
On December 11 2009 22:26 underscore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 11:22 lilsusie wrote:
On December 11 2009 10:21 PobTheCad wrote:
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote:
Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.

yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?


The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.

Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...


Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!!
Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind.
If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...



I'm glad that SC taught you something you could transfer over to poker. However, there are tons of SC players in Korea who probably played more than you who are shit at poker. (I have my sources) When you raid in WoW you learn teamwork, you learn how to take orders from a leader or even to be a leader. You learn to find different strategies for a group where in SC you might do it individually. In PvP, getting to know each class and their weakness/strengths is a feat on it's own - makes you more perseptive and it's definitely help me have faster reflexes for certain things.

Socially, you need to keep a certain reputation so it can even possibly help someone home social skills if they are in a guild or a raiding group.

You can go on and argue your point, saying that this is "female logic" (YAY COMPUTERS! TEEHEE!) but what you are arguing is purely subjective. You hone different skill sets as they are different games, different TYPES of games.

The whole point was that people as bashing on this guy for obtaining his goal of having all the acheivements because he's "wasting time in front of a computer". What I'm saying is yes, a lot of SC players do the same. A lot of WoW players do the same. But as you wouldn't call JD a loser for winning an OSL - stop judging a guy for winning something that could be of a similar calibur in his world.
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teekuppi
Profile Joined April 2008
78 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 14:13:18
December 11 2009 14:11 GMT
#177
On December 11 2009 22:47 underscore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 22:39 teekuppi wrote:
On December 11 2009 22:26 underscore wrote:
On December 11 2009 11:22 lilsusie wrote:
On December 11 2009 10:21 PobTheCad wrote:
On December 11 2009 09:47 lilsusie wrote:
Wow, you guys know that even B Team SC players play like 12 hours a day, don't get paid anything? That's unemployment too. Until they make it big, they are just like the WoW players you guys bash on who sit and play all day for a goal. Their goals are to become professionals (and LOL talk to anyone non-game about being awesome at SC or something, they'll be like.. uh.. why??) while this guy's goal was to get every achievement in game. Who are you to judge which goal is better? Where this WoW guy's goal is utterly obtainable (as he proved) the B team SC player may never get his goal and waste away into some useless PC bang assistant because he wasted all his time playing and not going to High School/College/etc.

yes but isn't there much more people addicted to WoW than starcraft?


The point is that playing WoW compulsively to obtain a goal is similar to playing SC to obtain a goal. There are more people (amateurs, courage participants, B teamers) than there are uber crazy WoW addicts like this guy.

Logging in to raid a few hours, or grind a few levels, play a little PVP... is the same as playing a few games of SC, finishing a campaign. People always think that all WoW players are all addicts...


Female logic at its best. Both are sitting in front of a computer!! It's the same thing!!!
Starcraft is a lot more challenging and demanding. You learn about your weaknesses and strengths and other things you can transfer to your life. WoW just makes you dumb. It's a mindless grind.
If someone plays chess 10 hours a day or grinds 10 hours a day in some mmo I won't judge you but if you can't see the difference...


Please enlighten me and tell me what weaknesses and strengths have you transferred from Starcraft to your real life. I'm dying to know


Without Starcraft I wouldn't have made so much money at Poker.
It taught me discipline and the need to analyse and reflect, not to let emotions take over and many more things.
Chess and Starcraft are the only two games that gave me trouble sleeping because I couldn't stop thinking about different constellations and strategies.
I don't play either anymore but Starcraft showed me that with dedication and focus you can achieve A LOT.
And that's the main reason I love this game so much.


So are you saying that without starcraft you wouldn't be so good at Poker and wouldn't have made so much money? I find it strange that you have learned discipline, analyzing and how to reflect via starcraft, because that's what people actually learn in life when they grow up. Also not letting emotions take over do you really think it's not a good thing? Keeping emotions to yourself only make's people apathetic.

I'm sorry if this is too personal or something I just find this very interesting because i am actually making study of how people grow to their "feelings" and never thought one could achieve it via game .
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
December 11 2009 14:16 GMT
#178
On December 11 2009 18:18 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 17:42 GGQ wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:37 Matoo- wrote:
daoc > wow

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


shadowbane > daoc

real pvpers will know what i'm talking about


tibia+runescape pvp>all and you know what i'm talking about

BW PvP > * PvP

.. gotta say that srry (
n_n
tissue
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia441 Posts
December 11 2009 15:00 GMT
#179
Whether or not the writer decided to make lame jokes, his tone takes it into stupid territory.
snarl
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada812 Posts
December 11 2009 15:20 GMT
#180
His /played must be crazy though. The "harder" achievements I think are actually the ones that involve blind luck which can take forever. BG ones can be rigged with help from the opposing faction, Arena is somewhat difficult but it's something that can be learned, raiding of course needs to be in a great guild. But something like fishing for that sea turtle for example.. I believe someone in the EU has over 10k casts and still no luck getting that.
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