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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: He also requires a significant amount of farm. If you're really afraid of a Singed player on the other team you just force 5v5 ASAP, and have the siege weapons to whittle down their towers/kill their players. Edit2: Or you could have Super Janna Rescue Squad completely nullify both Singed AND Janna and lead to a very stupid map-control rivalry between the two. That was an irritating game, for both of us  | ||
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Baikinman
United States74 Posts
kinda sucks how LoL is making maps smaller instead of increasing the number of players in game. LoL is a game where its too easy to increase the amount of people in ur friends list, many times i turn down an offer to play b/c i have too many friends online. 5v5 isn't enough sometimes. dont you have people on ur list thinking "who was this guy....?" | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 08 2010 01:08 Baikinman wrote: Seems like TT is getting more popular than SR. If there are any tournaments out there for SR i would try but most of them are TT. ( T-T ) kinda sucks how LoL is making maps smaller instead of increasing the number of players in game. LoL is a game where its too easy to increase the amount of people in ur friends list, many times i turn down an offer to play b/c i have too many friends online. 5v5 isn't enough sometimes. dont you have people on ur list thinking "who was this guy....?" TT got really old, really fast for me, so I don't get the appeal. I definitely wish we could try our hands at a SR tournament. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
and singed is one of the strongest characters in the game in the hands of a good player, he isnt a good tank/initiator at all. Play AP singed as an off-tank and you will see how ridiculous he is, just everyone expects you to tank so its dumb. He is like a melee carry that comes in for the clean-up. combine that with his ridiculous pushing power and the ability to negate any chasing by the other team and hes a solid character. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Tier 1: Fiddlesticks, Jax, Shen, Ezreal, Sivir Tier 2: Alistar, Nasus, Corki, Morgana, Amumu, Annie, Ashe, Janna, Nidalee Tier 3: Card Master, Zilean, Soraka, Malphite, Anivia, Twitch, Katarina, Tristana, Kayle Tier 4: Gragas, Ryze, Warwick, Udyr, Blitzcrank, Poppy, Singed, Kassadin, Rammus Tier 5: Nunu, Garen, Cho'Gath, Dr. Mundo, Gangplank, Shaco, Mordekaiser Overshadowed: Taric, Sion, Kennen, Tryndamere, Karthus, Pantheon, Teemo, Master Yi, Heimerdinger, Evelynn, Veigar I dunno, I'm not really crazy about some placements (Nasus, Sivir too high, Nidalee too low), but it seems like a pretty decent list to me. EDIT: holy girl! the re-organizing of TL's left pane just ruined me. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
My level 17 smurf got matched up against him under L0cust, who was queueing with his friends using smurf accounts (slygoat) His Singed destroyed our 4 carry team. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:23 Mogwai wrote: i like TT a lot. i almost play it exclusively now. only bad thing about it is that you have to que dodge a LOT. you can usually tell who's gonna win at the loading screen. that's why i said kayle/taric/cho would die immediately.TT got really old, really fast for me, so I don't get the appeal. I definitely wish we could try our hands at a SR tournament. on a side note, i think i'm slowing breaking into top tier! i had a game vs elementz and dan dinh on TT. they're top tier right? edit: that and i'm consistently seeing the same people over and over again. mb i'm being hopeful and the TT player community is smaller? i don't know. i was just really happy getting stomped by those two haha. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On May 08 2010 10:17 redtooth wrote: i like TT a lot. i almost play it exclusively now. only bad thing about it is that you have to que dodge a LOT. you can usually tell who's gonna win at the loading screen. that's why i said kayle/taric/cho would die immediately. on a side note, i think i'm slowing breaking into top tier! i had a game vs elementz and dan dinh on TT. they're top tier right? edit: that and i'm consistently seeing the same people over and over again. mb i'm being hopeful and the TT player community is smaller? i don't know. i was just really happy getting stomped by those two haha. wats ur name? dont see you on the tl list | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:42 Mogwai wrote: So even though I could've sworn L0CUST quit LoL, he posted a new tier list this Monday. I dunno, I'm not really crazy about some placements (Nasus, Sivir too high, Nidalee too low), but it seems like a pretty decent list to me. EDIT: holy girl! the re-organizing of TL's left pane just ruined me. Sivir continues to be underestimated by TLers for reasons I don't understand. Nidalee has no CC and is a melee DPS not named Jax. If anything, I'd say she's too high. Tristana seems low to me -- especially listed a full tier below Ashe, and a couple slots below Twitch, but it's not a big deal. Kayle seems too high -- I've never seen her as more than a one trick pony. I think Malphite is a better tank than Nasus. I have a soft spot for WW's map control. As a player of squishies, his ult is annoying as hell. Kennen isn't great, but I think he's tier 4, at least. Taric is a passable off-tank; I'd say tier 4 for him as well. Every time I read one of L0CUST's lists, I feel like a lot of thought has gone into it. I often have quibbles, but rarely major issues. That's impressive enough that, when I do have quibbles, I often wonder what he knows that I don't. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Trist is just not a very good hero. She's a very niche hero. Ashe is far more useful because of her anti-initiation ability. Twitch and Trist are relatively similar, but Twitch gives better map control and stronger teamfight ability. I have no idea why he bumped up Kayle. Malphite is a better tank than Nasus, but Nasus is the second-best melee DPS in the game. I don't know if I'd have him as the #2 tier 2, so I agree he's too high. I'm a bit surprised Sion and Blitz are freefalling on his tier list. Kennen is terrible. Taric is also not very good anymore. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Tier 1: Nidalee, Ezreal(AD), Fiddlesticks, Jax, Shen + Show Spoiler + Nidalee and Ez are the best ranged DPS at the moment, I think, considering their versatility, their map control, and their damage output. Both of them double as splendid healers and pushers, while being nasty gankers, and are difficult to kill. Fiddle is Fiddle, Jax is Jax, and Shen is Shen. Jax IMO is hovering at the edge of tier 1 and tier 2; he's strong, but I've not found him invincible unless your team compo sucks. But he definitely punishes bad team composition. So is Fiddle - there's a metagame shift that I'll talk about in Tier 2. Tier 2: Alistar, Anivia, Annie, Ezreal(AP), Janna, Malphite, Nasus, Soraka, Warwick, Zilean + Show Spoiler + Alistar's on the verge of teetering from tier 2 to tier 3 atm for me, as is Malphite. Alistar is still a good pusher, but with the existence of Nidalee and Ezreal he's just not that "necessary" anymore. Malphite's mass AoE is great but the metagame is switching away from AoE, thus the devaluing of AoE nukers like Fiddle and Annie. Nidalee, Ezreal, Shen, etc. are creating more of a map control roaming game, and the ability to defend lanes with things like Sivir and Janna (both nightmares to push against) give teams the ability to hold a lane 4v5. All three of the top support heroes are in this tier because I think heal is still crazy, and Warwick's jungling map control is still one of the best, even though he gets shut down by teams that ward against him. Tier 3: Amumu, Ashe, Blitzcrank, Corki, Katarina, Morgana, Nunu, Sion, Sivir, Trist, Twisted Fate, Twitch, Udyr + Show Spoiler + I feel Amumu's on a slide, but I'll still give him T3. Ashe is annoying to play against, as is Blitz, Corki can carry but only if you're really good, Kat's buffs have made her have crazy burst damage, Morg is as always, Nunu's become a lot faster and more efficient as a jungler as his consume sped up and he's a great ganker, Sion is Sion, Sivir is Sivir, Trist is Trist, Twitch is Twitch, Udyr's the 2nd best jungler in the game, and TF is middling because his DPS is okay but slow, he has no lane control, but his map control is still nice and lame. Tier 4: Cho’gath, Gangplank, Gragas, Pantheon, Rammus, Ryze, Singed, Taric + Show Spoiler + Cho has a nice AoE silence and an annoying AoE rupture but it's hard to make people target you. Gangplank is good for starving and that's about it. Gragas is nice but I tend to see him fall off as the game goes on. Maybe I've just not played with many good Gragas players. Pantheon has his days. Rammus is a great ganker and chaser, but as an initiator (which is what a tank should be) I feel he's lacking. Ryze is a glass cannon that punishes idiots, Singed falls apart in teamfights unless he's super farm, and Taric's just a crappy Sion now. Tier 5: Dr. Mundo, Garen, Karthus, Kassadin, Kayle, Kennen, Shaco, Teemo, Veigar + Show Spoiler + All these heroes can counter certain heroes on the other team, but aren't consistently great picks. Every now and then you'll go damn I wish we had Mundo (vs Fiddle), or damn I wish we had Veigar (against some caster), but every other time you'll think god what a useless piece of #@$(@. Non-blind pick would make a lot of them much more viable. Shaco's use got really hammered by the fact that there're now better roaming heroes (Nidalee, Shen, Ezreal in particular) that he struggles to actually beat, which kinda kills the whole point of him. Else: Evelynn, Heimerdinger, Master Yi, Mordekaiser, Poppy, Tryndamere + Show Spoiler + I hate these guys. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
edit- U GUYZ DIDNT LIEK MY HEIMERDINGERZ? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I've seen some good/great Heimers, but I still think he sucks :p Just like how I'm comfortable with mog playing panth, but I still think he's not that great. Edit: To rephrase myself, I think he's one of the better heroes in the game. But L0cust has him listed as the #7 hero. I think that's too high. He's great, but not THAT great, I think. I'm not gonna diss on Nasus though, he's beaten me single-handedly enough times. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
EDIT: I should qualify that I have also never seen Brees play Heimer. And what's Kennen supposed to do? His ult needs a rework, I think - it's like Katarina's ult, except it doesn't scale as well, doesn't target the same person consistently, and continues to only hit one person at a time. Southlight, why do you like Mundo vs Fiddle? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I've seen some sick Heimers. I believe Gravence? almost never loses with Heimer, and he had an absolute field week when Heimer got buffed. But it's like Roku etc. The fact that someone can play a hero phenomenally doesn't mean I have to think the hero is any good. I just tip my hat to the player and say "you're incredible." Edit: Kennen is a nice counter to heroes like Nidalee and Ezreal, because he's fast and can come in and do heavy damage all told. He's a nice compliment to a mass-stun/initiator like Alistar because he'll apply the follow-up AoE stun, while being a decent ranged DPS himself. But I would never take him against heavy CC/tank teams because his damage output is too bad to hurt people with big HP. I think he's terrible, but I have seen a few cripple certain sorts of team compo. That's why I put him in tier 5 instead of "else." I'd still rather not play with a Kennen, but he does counter certain things. Edit2: He also has great map control via that ball lightning skill. With regards to solo push and backdooring I actually sort of prefer Kennen over Shaco right now. But as with Shaco, there're better heroes available for that sort of job atm. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
And, of course, he's not great on TT because you have to dominate level 1 teamfights to be great on TT. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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