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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 11:40:04
April 26 2010 11:39 GMT
#3281
You're playing a different style of Nasus. Brees' guide focuses on spirit fire/wither/ult and sunfire capes. You don't need to last hit every creep with SS because SS isn't going to be your main source of damage.

Also you don't have to bust spirit fire when creeps are at full health, but I assume you know that you can time it.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Malderon
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands136 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 11:53:41
April 26 2010 11:50 GMT
#3282
Good point about the laning partner, if one would lane with Soraka or Taric, one would of course be able to get away without regen much easier.

Since we are building a Heart of Gold, would it be an idea to start out with a cloth armor and five health potions? Five potions should be able to keep you in lane nicely, at least in my limited experience with Malphite. Of course, Malphite has his passive to protect him from harass, and as stated, you can't really rely on Nasus's life steal to keep his health up. But five potions should go a long way to keeping you alive against most enemies I reckon.

Edit: Also, is a melee dps Nasus viable at all, or will he simply snap like a twig when focused while ulting? Not to mention the fact that his damage output will probably be overshadowed by the likes of Jax and Master Yi.
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 12:08:15
April 26 2010 11:54 GMT
#3283
Well yeah. Nasus ult is not gonna do a lot of damage until you hit 11. :/

Melee Nasus doesn't work because he will be focused down so easily. I still don't like HoGs. I have tried them, but I didnt like it. You are farming well enough with SF. Sunfires are decent on Nasus but like every champion I don't think you should just build one way with complete disregard for who you're facing. A banshees is obviously a better choice before sunfires against casters / disable team.

Also if you are not planning to last hit with SS at all I would skip sheen and just go straight to Sunfire cape.
Chillsen
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany98 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 14:57:01
April 26 2010 12:38 GMT
#3284
Add me if you are level 30
same name as here, we can make arranged teams

Edit: US Server
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Malderon
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands136 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 12:39:33
April 26 2010 12:38 GMT
#3285
I'd say the boost in damage is always helpful if you can get it, so I still last hit with Siphon strike whenever I can, but of course it has a bit lower priority on one's APM than more SS focused build would have. Good point on skipping Sheen though. I myself only get Sheen when the team has a capable tank, so I can afford to go for a bit more damage. The increase in mana it provides is also nice.

And I have a question regarding his ultimate, Fury of the sands: how exactly is the drained health converted to attack damage? And is the drained health also used to heal Nasus or not? Going by the tooltip, I'd expect not, because then I would assume it would have been explicitly stated in the tooltip, but I'm not sure, since Fots is widely regarded as one of the most powerful ultimates in the game.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 26 2010 12:42 GMT
#3286
On April 26 2010 18:34 suffeli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 17:53 HeavOnEarth wrote:
starting to play jax

what should i build

at the moment im
going 21/9 and running cleanse/exhaust
boots -> ninja tabi -> rageblade -> vampic specter then whatever
dodge seals
armor pen red
hp gylph
and cdr blue


I would start with Dorans Ring (if you want to harass with leap) / Shield + pot. Tabi is sometimes good, but Mercs are the boots you want almost everytime. I'd go Atmas / BT after Rageblade. Also Ghost is probably better than exhaust. Other than that its good.


I've never seen a Jax not go tabi. The +dodge for his stun seems pretty important. Do you really run treads with him, even with cleanse?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 26 2010 13:27 GMT
#3287
Tabi is almost always run on jax unless they're all casters

But if they're all casters and you're jax you win anyway
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
g1rg10
Profile Joined October 2007
Italy186 Posts
April 26 2010 13:49 GMT
#3288
Get atma's impaler after the rageblade, add elixers at your leisure. I personally run cleanse/rally, but rally is being nerfed next patch so I dont really know if i should be running that anymore.
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
April 26 2010 14:52 GMT
#3289

I've never seen a Jax not go tabi. The +dodge for his stun seems pretty important. Do you really run treads with him, even with cleanse?


Hmmh... you'r not gonna get any stuns through if you are feared, stunned, slowed etc. It all depends on the opposing team, but generally Mercs are always better.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 26 2010 14:59 GMT
#3290
clearly the best option is to just get both :p

honestly though, I think Tabi is usually the right choice so long as you can time your cleanse correctly.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 26 2010 15:02 GMT
#3291
If the other team has fiddle and you run Tabi you're often going to be in for a long game, IMO.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 26 2010 17:58 GMT
#3292
i like phage after rageblade
helps me hunt them downz
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
April 26 2010 18:21 GMT
#3293
On April 26 2010 22:27 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Tabi is almost always run on jax unless they're all casters

But if they're all casters and you're jax you win anyway


What kind of statement is that? Magic nukers are the counter to Jax. Jax is the counter to physical damage team compositions. If they are all casters you're fucked.
This signature is ruining eSports.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 19:09:11
April 26 2010 19:02 GMT
#3294
except that you have like 3K HP and they all need to blow their load on your to kill you so then your team's sustained damage eats them up, nomnomnomnom.

I've said it on Jax feedback threads, but I'll say it again... just cause Jax doesn't have built in magic dodge or something doesn't mean casters counter him. They are going to be more effective at not having their damage to Jax reduced, but he's still going to have fucktons of HP and require a ton of focus to kill.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 26 2010 19:12 GMT
#3295
magic nukers typically have a form of stun or disable that counters jax quite well

however the magic burst itself does not matter much, as jax will win any 1v1 vs a caster and if you waste your nukes on jax his team will just roll you.
but the disables will shut him down permanently in team fights if he doesnt run cleanse / merc treads. banshees etc
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 26 2010 19:19 GMT
#3296
As HOE said, you still want at least one nuker, or else what happened to us last night happens : (((((
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
April 26 2010 19:31 GMT
#3297
On April 26 2010 17:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I lol'd at the TF going AP

Read outdated guides much?

Mine is a really old SS :p
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 26 2010 19:45 GMT
#3298
On April 27 2010 04:19 Southlight wrote:
As HOE said, you still want at least one nuker, or else what happened to us last night happens : (((((

we just need Turkey to fill whatever role we're missing . Having Ashe + TF + Baikin + me on a team is bad because I can't play TF and basically all I'm left with that I'm comfortable with at the 5-man premade level is Pantheon :p and he doesn't work in that setup.

Bleh, ok, next time that sort of team setup happens, I'm just gonna start learning up my Nidalee or AP Ezreal or Taric or Soraka or Sivir or something supporty like that. Might cost us a couple games early, but it should pay off eventually and it's not like we're gonna win with Panth in that setup.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 26 2010 19:54 GMT
#3299
We could swap you into Amumu and switch me off to Annie/Anivia if it happens again, too.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 26 2010 20:21 GMT
#3300
yea, I guess. I need Jungle for Amumu, otherwise I get so underfarmed :p. It sucks though, cause he's bad 1v1 so if they have a jungler too, you're kinda boned without teammate support at the right times. I dunno, I'd rather pick up a support/caster or go Shen myself.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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