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inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:35:00
November 30 2009 17:34 GMT
#241
tryn is better in every way then yi atm, but hes getting completely reworked, as is ryze. So yi may or may not be better after this remake not sure. as for ganking yi? impossible. if they stun. cleanse. if they do anything else, ultimate. how do you get ganked again?

i usually do a sapphire crystal to start with him so i can spam alpha, while using meditate to keep my hp up. then you get catalyst so you can lane and harass all day without fear of death. then you get to level 6 and its easy mode.

catalyst
berserkers
pickaxe
bf sword ---> infinity
last whisper
life steal item

can later replaec catalyst with warmogs and pickaxe with something stronger if you need more lategame
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
November 30 2009 17:37 GMT
#242
On December 01 2009 02:22 mrgerry wrote:
A common build I see from high level players:
Doran's Shield + 1 hp pot
Ninja Tabi
Phage
Stark's
Blood Razer
Finish Mallet

This should put your attack speed up to like 1.5-1.8 a second plus your ult will take you up to the 2.5 cap quite fast. You should be able to solo baron at 18 with your blood razer and starks.


I'll give it a shot. I think Melee carries still have it too rough though, so many CC options that can shut me down and magic melts me down fast. When I switch to Soraka, its like a walk in the park.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 30 2009 17:49 GMT
#243
Melee carries have the strongest DPS skills (except for Corki's gatling), melee carries tend to have decent hp gain (Ashe level 18 has like 1700 hp), and ranged carries also get owned by CC options. Soraka's just not a carry, so it feels like a walk in the park 'cause you've got free heals/mana heal and you're too annoying/pointless to really gun after. IMO, anyways :p If anything Jax needs a nerf right now (his stun is INSANE) and Trynd's ult needs to not be owned by silence/stun. That's about the only complaints I'd have about those two... can't really think of any other melee carries.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:53:55
November 30 2009 17:53 GMT
#244
On December 01 2009 02:34 inertinept wrote:
tryn is better in every way then yi atm, but hes getting completely reworked, as is ryze. So yi may or may not be better after this remake not sure. as for ganking yi? impossible. if they stun. cleanse. if they do anything else, ultimate. how do you get ganked again?


The thing is, you only have to use one of your stuns/debuffs on Yi, to make him have to cleanse or use his ulti. Then, you just gank him while it's on cooldown.

Same goes for trynd, just scare him into using his ulti, then gank him either immediately after it's finished, or a bit later, while it's on cooldown.
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:59:31
November 30 2009 17:58 GMT
#245
but then now were talking about a completely different argument. This is assuming the yi doesnt have map awareness and/or vision wards. he'd have to be hacking at your turret to kill him before he cleanses/ultis back to his turret. any less of a distance and hes in safety.

by the time you get your ult your mostly jungling anyway and simply avoiding their gank squad
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 18:03:26
November 30 2009 18:02 GMT
#246
Haha I play an aggressive soraka with Starfall spam, so people always gun after me :D

Melee carries have the strongest DPS, but i say they have it hard just because of the prevalence of CC in game. I can be slowed, stunned, blinded, exhausted, knocked up, etc, which makes it hard for Jax to proc his ult fast enough. Ranged carries have the option to make the opponent come to them, while I have to get in and dirty.

Example of a team fight. Ashe can init with her giant noob ult arrow, volley, then stand at a distance spamming frost arrows to make it hard for people to get to her. Corki can do his giant aoe ult too, then phosphorus bomb to blind, then valkyrie away if people get too close. Teemo can blind, run away to his mushroom, plus he's damn fast. I on the other hand, have to leap into the frenzy, hope I don't get bursted down by a caster, get disabled by a tank, slowed/blinded by a ranged carry. A few whacks later and the squishy I'm targetting flashes away and I'm stuck there holding my lantern sadly.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 18:08:44
November 30 2009 18:08 GMT
#247
I don't like Starfall Soraka because every single time I play with someone doing that I'm horrified to find that lane get squashed within 10 minutes. Bleh. Also that spell isn't actually that painful - people are fools if they go after you over an actual DPS hero. //Edit: AFAIK, anyways. I have not played against a single Starfall Soraka whose Starfall damage was actually significant.

To be honest? As a mostly ranged damage player I find most melee DPS characters absolutely brutal to play against. Obviously the dynamics of melee vs ranged differ greatly in 1v1 but Trynd/Jax/Yi definitely tend to have the upper hand end-game 1v1 against any ranged DPS.

In a team fight... I guess the biggest problem for melee DPS is that you're automatically required to do a fair amount of tanking. Also all the newbies go after you 'cause they go for closest target. I played Ashe for like 30 games in a row and by the end of it, when my Elo was decent and I was playing people who knew what they were doing... I was getting CC'd/dying in every single team fight, no matter where I stood/how late I was to a fight. Felt worse than playing a melee DPSer really, because the low HP made it even harder to do anything. Plus at least the melee DPSers have means of avoiding a decent amount of incoming damage (on top of their comparatively higher HP).
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pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 18:35:15
November 30 2009 18:29 GMT
#248
I dunno, I hardly ever, ever get outlaned when I'm Soraka. Early game, people have to towerhug against Soraka as her attack range+starfall whittles down their health. Starfall also destroys creeps so I farm up really fast early game. I can't be pushed back due to Astral, so I'm constantly pressuring. I go Locket, Merc Treads, Aegis, Frozen Heart, so I'm pretty hard to kill unless heavily ganked.

Regardless if they focus fire on me or an ally, I find that my Locket regen, summoner Heal, Wish, Astral, Blessing, Aegis/Frozen Heart aura usually keeps them alive for a long time. I also have an exhaust ready too if need be. At the same time, I'm starfalling the living shit outta them and stacking magic resist debuffs on the enemy. Almost all my steamroll games comes from Soraka as we emerge from team fights with only 1 man down to their 4 or 5, with plenty of health to spare. I'm sad they're nerfing Aegis in the next patch.

Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 18:33:38
November 30 2009 18:33 GMT
#249
I can't imagine how anyone can get outlaned with Soraka, which makes it all the more puzzling how people are losing their tower in 7 minutes with Soraka, but yeah.
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pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
November 30 2009 18:35 GMT
#250
Who's your main?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 30 2009 18:45 GMT
#251
I've been picking based on team needs for the past week, so I don't know if I have a main anymore, but I've played Ashe the most in the last two weeks.
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 30 2009 19:08 GMT
#252
I just started playing this weekend, and the matchmaking keeps putting me against people who are lvl 15+ when I'm lvl 5...

is the noob-mode sniper guy any good?
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 30 2009 19:12 GMT
#253
The solution to all your fragile-melee-DPS heroes: DOCTOR MUNDO. I had the most hilarious game last night. At half health, I charged into range of both nexus turrets to finish off a half health Jax, got a lucky crit and dropped him. Got stunned. Got slowed. Got stunned again. Activated ult, while the three living enemies (Blitz, Ashe, Ryze) attacked me with everything they had. I was so fed that the regen from my ult outweighed their combined DPS. With the help of our Ryze, TRIPLE KILL!

They immediately surrendered.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
November 30 2009 20:44 GMT
#254
I've been rocking up a storm with Morgana lately. Favorite champion by far! I don't always get too many kills, but I rarely die, (unless I do something really stupid), and I get loads of assists. And then late game once I've got my staff of ages, my orb/soil/ult combo can pretty much wipe out anyone with less than 3k hp.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
November 30 2009 21:00 GMT
#255
Europe servers are down, once again I'm thinking of playing on US, although I'm not sure how bad the lag would be. You guys have a shop and everything right?
This signature is ruining eSports.
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
November 30 2009 21:06 GMT
#256
On December 01 2009 05:44 Haemonculus wrote:
I've been rocking up a storm with Morgana lately. Favorite champion by far! I don't always get too many kills, but I rarely die, (unless I do something really stupid), and I get loads of assists. And then late game once I've got my staff of ages, my orb/soil/ult combo can pretty much wipe out anyone with less than 3k hp.


yea morgana is the competitive version of ryze. but ryze is getting a remake so he might be more viable then just noob bashing soon
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
November 30 2009 21:48 GMT
#257
On December 01 2009 04:08 azndsh wrote:
I just started playing this weekend, and the matchmaking keeps putting me against people who are lvl 15+ when I'm lvl 5...

is the noob-mode sniper guy any good?


Noob-mode sniper guy? You talking about corki? and yes he's pretty good (:
I don't think playing starfall soraka is the way to go. Support soraka is definitely better i remember this one game where i survived a warwick and malphite chasing after me with my astral blessing...was pretty funny.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 30 2009 22:46 GMT
#258
On December 01 2009 06:48 b3h47pte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 04:08 azndsh wrote:
I just started playing this weekend, and the matchmaking keeps putting me against people who are lvl 15+ when I'm lvl 5...

is the noob-mode sniper guy any good?


Noob-mode sniper guy? You talking about corki? and yes he's pretty good (:
I don't think playing starfall soraka is the way to go. Support soraka is definitely better i remember this one game where i survived a warwick and malphite chasing after me with my astral blessing...was pretty funny.

No, pretty sure he means tristana, who is nothing special.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
November 30 2009 23:02 GMT
#259
On December 01 2009 04:08 azndsh wrote:
I just started playing this weekend, and the matchmaking keeps putting me against people who are lvl 15+ when I'm lvl 5...

is the noob-mode sniper guy any good?

too me this sounds like ashe >_> most Newb friendly char IMO
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
December 01 2009 00:02 GMT
#260
You must remember that ashe is something we call an archer
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