EPTNBA 09-10: The Roundball Rock - Page 53
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tenbagger
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Xeris
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Ace
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On December 27 2009 08:44 tenbagger wrote: rondo arguably gets a bigger cushion than anyone else in the entire league, and he still can't knock em down. don't get me wrong, I totally agree with your assessment and even with that cushion, he still drives right past people on a regular basis. but let's not sugar coat it, the truth is his J is down right awful. he's shooting over 50% for the season. All of that can't be off of lay ups ^_^ | ||
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Xeris
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tenbagger
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On December 27 2009 09:07 Xeris wrote: stop making randolph out to be some kinda hero loool why the hate? all I'm doing is pointing out that randolph, for someone that has been such a terrible team player for so long is actually playing amazing ball right now. and while you guys might see the box scores, I dunno how many of you actually get to watch any memphis games so I thought it deserves some mention. | ||
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igotmyown
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Oh the irony. | ||
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Xeris
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On December 27 2009 16:48 tenbagger wrote: why the hate? all I'm doing is pointing out that randolph, for someone that has been such a terrible team player for so long is actually playing amazing ball right now. and while you guys might see the box scores, I dunno how many of you actually get to watch any memphis games so I thought it deserves some mention. it does... and I do watch memphis games from time to time (atdhe ftw). i'm just saying... he's zach randolph, let's not get too excited yet | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
On December 27 2009 09:22 Ace wrote: he's shooting over 50% for the season. All of that can't be off of lay ups ^_^ by that logic, the top three shooters in the league are dampier, perkins and howard. a high FG% actually correlates strongly with poor outside shooting. sure there are some exceptions like bird and nash. but when your outside J is so awful, you stop taking them which means that you end up taking a huge percentage of layups, dunks and short range shots. | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
On December 27 2009 16:53 Xeris wrote: it does... and I do watch memphis games from time to time (atdhe ftw). i'm just saying... he's zach randolph, let's not get too excited yet ok by your logic, we should do nothing but point out the obvious like lebron is amazing. YES he is zach randolph and that is precisely why this is discussion worthy. lebron having a great game is nothing to get excited over because it is totally predictable. zeebo playing inspired basketball for a full quarter season and leading a memphis team to a near 500 record while playing in the west is something to get excited about. seriously, get that stick out of ur ass xeris. | ||
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Xeris
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I think Gasol and Gay are equally, if not more, important to the success of memphis this season. Your whole post doesn't make any sense. Why would you try to infer what my logic is when you have no idea? The only thing I'm saying is, your posts sound like "OMG ZEEBO SO GOOD THIS YEARR YAAA ZEEEBOOOO" ... and I'm saying, "chill, he's fucking Zach Randolph". Why are you getting so butthurt that you're the only one excited about "zeebo". I've never seen anyone get so defensive about such a marginal player before, lol. I'm glad Randolph is worth $3504308034 million to you | ||
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decafchicken
United States20169 Posts
On December 27 2009 16:37 Xeris wrote: let's take a poll to see how many injuries kobe will get before he actually decides he should rest for a week or so O_O; jesus, he's playing with like 3 fingers and 1 arm right now. Handicap from God to make basketball more fair. Unfortunatly, Kobe doesn't actually need limbs to play basketball. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 27 2009 16:54 tenbagger wrote: by that logic, the top three shooters in the league are dampier, perkins and howard. a high FG% actually correlates strongly with poor outside shooting. sure there are some exceptions like bird and nash. but when your outside J is so awful, you stop taking them which means that you end up taking a huge percentage of layups, dunks and short range shots. erm...not at all. His outside shot is far from greatness but it's not downright awful. If that was the case he'd be no where near 50% FG%. He has to have some kind of shooting ability since he isn't the kind of player that constantly drives to the basket to score because he doesn't even look to score most of the time. | ||
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Southlight
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XaI)CyRiC
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On December 27 2009 19:29 Ace wrote: Zach Randolph has always been able to post monstrous Points and Rebounds. erm...not at all. His outside shot is far from greatness but it's not downright awful. If that was the case he'd be no where near 50% FG%. He has to have some kind of shooting ability since he isn't the kind of player that constantly drives to the basket to score because he doesn't even look to score most of the time. I got curious and decided to see exactly how Rondo has maintained such a high FG% despite having no range. Using http://www.nba.com/hotspots/ , you can see that tenbagger is actually right and that Rondo's high FG% is pretty much due entirely to shots right next to the basket. 187 of his total 295 FGAs this season have been right at the basket, with another 30 coming from within 15 feet of the basket (if I'm reading the Hotspots chart right). That's 73.5% of his shots coming from inside the painted area, and 63.4% being taken right at the rim (i.e. dunks and layups). 60 of his shots (20.3%) have been from mid-range (behind FT line and below 3PT line), where he's shot less than 40% despite almost always being left wide open to take them by defenses who'd rather give up that shot than a perimeter shot by pretty much any other Celtic player except Tony Allen or a post-up by Perkins. It's a credit to the BOS offense that they're able to get their non-shooter players such great shots near the basket. You can look at the shot charts of Perkins, Tony Allen, Rondo, and Shelden Williams, and see that they're getting almost all of their shots right at the rim. In the meantime, they've got Ray, Pierce and KG shooting VERY well from the perimeter, and Sheed and House taking the rest of the perimeter shots (with mixed results). It's a great offense getting their non-shooters layups and having their shooters shoot. Rondo just happens to fall into the non-shooters, and has the skills and ability to take advantage of the opportunities he is given by the offense and the shooting ability of his teammates (particularly the big 3). Conclusion: Rondo is still a terrible perimeter shooter. Fortunately he has the tools, the teammates, and the offense, that allow him to be a non-perimeter-oriented guard, which he has excelled greatly at. | ||
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Xeris
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tenbagger
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and xeris, if you think gasol and gay are more important to memphis this year, you clearly have not been watching their games. I can see why you say that because you can draw those inferences from looking at the box score, but anyone who has watched a bunch of memphis games will agree with me. I'm saying that from watching memphis games this year, zeebo has drastically improved every facet of his game. xeris, your counter to my point isn't any personal observation, or number crunching like cyric just did to counter my point, but rather LOL randolph. as simmons points out, basketball is a bit different from baseball in that the numbers don't always tell the full story. I have NBA season pass and I sit down and watch basketball almost every single night and while I watch snippets of every game, I obviously flip back and forth and miss a lot. so when someone has something to add based on actual observation that is something I value and appreciate. or you can break down the numbers like cyric did and you can add something there. my observations from watching many boston games were that rondo has a terrible outside J and cyric put in the time to prove it. xeris, by you going LOL randolph and going off your preconceived notions of him, not only are you adding absolutely nothing of substance to this conversation, you are basically belittling me and my observations based on watching his actual play. | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
On December 27 2009 19:29 Ace wrote: Zach Randolph has always been able to post monstrous Points and Rebounds. that is precisely my point. there is no way you can tell the difference of randolph's 27/15 games and his 27/15 games from previous years where he was a cancer to the team from the box score alone. I guess the FG% and TO's will tell part of the story. My point is that his overall team play, his defense and his decision making have finally taken a step up to match his enormous raw ability and quite frankly that is something that I never expected to happen given his track record. | ||
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Ace
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 @Tenbagger: Fully agreed on Z-Bo. Memphis is doing a whole lot better this year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of Zach Randolph because he's always been a monster talent. As long as it's him and not OJ Mayo getting the ball I'm happy. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On December 27 2009 16:54 tenbagger wrote: by that logic, the top three shooters in the league are dampier, perkins and howard. a high FG% actually correlates strongly with poor outside shooting. sure there are some exceptions like bird and nash. but when your outside J is so awful, you stop taking them which means that you end up taking a huge percentage of layups, dunks and short range shots. Hmmm, Celtics better trade Rondo for Sasha Vujacic, who doesn't have the high fg% problem. | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
On December 28 2009 08:00 igotmyown wrote: Hmmm, Celtics better trade Rondo for Sasha Vujacic, who doesn't have the high fg% problem. did you miss the part where I praised rondo's ability to get to the basket and his overall play? or how about the part where I said that his ability to get to the basket even when getting a huge cushion is absolutely amazing? god, you can't make a post without someone being a total asshole anymore. | ||
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