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On December 28 2009 07:10 Ace wrote:@Cyric: I can't see that link. Is there another way to check that info? I believe you but I'd have to see it myself. From seeing him play I can't call him downright terrible yet  @Tenbagger: Fully agreed on Z-Bo. Memphis is doing a whole lot better this year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of Zach Randolph because he's always been a monster talent. As long as it's him and not OJ Mayo getting the ball I'm happy.
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/
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On December 28 2009 05:53 tenbagger wrote:
cyric delivers as usual. cyric and HT posts always fucking deliver.
and xeris, if you think gasol and gay are more important to memphis this year, you clearly have not been watching their games. I can see why you say that because you can draw those inferences from looking at the box score, but anyone who has watched a bunch of memphis games will agree with me.
I'm saying that from watching memphis games this year, zeebo has drastically improved every facet of his game. xeris, your counter to my point isn't any personal observation, or number crunching like cyric just did to counter my point, but rather LOL randolph.
as simmons points out, basketball is a bit different from baseball in that the numbers don't always tell the full story. I have NBA season pass and I sit down and watch basketball almost every single night and while I watch snippets of every game, I obviously flip back and forth and miss a lot. so when someone has something to add based on actual observation that is something I value and appreciate.
or you can break down the numbers like cyric did and you can add something there. my observations from watching many boston games were that rondo has a terrible outside J and cyric put in the time to prove it. xeris, by you going LOL randolph and going off your preconceived notions of him, not only are you adding absolutely nothing of substance to this conversation, you are basically belittling me and my observations based on watching his actual play.
my entire point is that I'm not about to be too quick to praise someone who has had years of a bad reputation because of a month or two of solid basketball... that's the ONLY thing I said. you got your panties all in a bunch because of that, just chill. I am not denying that he is playing very well, and Memphis has been surprisingly decent (and you seem to have missed where I said I have actually watched their games this year, since I have Gasol on my fantasy team I've started watching them from time to time)... but to start heaping praise on Randolph at this time is misguided, IMO... until we see more evidence that he really has turned a corner.
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On December 28 2009 09:27 tenbagger wrote:
did you miss the part where I praised rondo's ability to get to the basket and his overall play? or how about the part where I said that his ability to get to the basket even when getting a huge cushion is absolutely amazing?
god, you can't make a post without someone being a total asshole anymore.
On December 27 2009 08:44 tenbagger wrote:
rondo arguably gets a bigger cushion than anyone else in the entire league, and he still can't knock em down. don't get me wrong, I totally agree with your assessment and even with that cushion, he still drives right past people on a regular basis. but let's not sugar coat it, the truth is his J is down right awful.
On December 27 2009 16:54 tenbagger wrote:
by that logic, the top three shooters in the league are dampier, perkins and howard.
a high FG% actually correlates strongly with poor outside shooting. sure there are some exceptions like bird and nash. but when your outside J is so awful, you stop taking them which means that you end up taking a huge percentage of layups, dunks and short range shots.
Let's see, one backhanded complement, and everything else nitpicking his jumper, clearly I'm the one being an asshole. Yes I think I missed the part where you said his ability to get to the basket was completely amazing, and mostly I'm criticizing the one post I replied to, the hugely misleading statement that a high FG% correlates strongly with poor outside shooting. That's a cross-correlation with position, if you correct for position and look at point guards, will this strong correlation still hold?
Even if his jumper becomes decent and you find a way to correct for attempts, if his jumper still has a worse % than his drives, then he should still drive. Wilt once criticized Jordan for having no outside shot, but developing the outside shot is more important once you can't finish well, not the other way around.
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HonestTea
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On December 28 2009 07:10 Ace wrote:@Cyric: I can't see that link. Is there another way to check that info? I believe you but I'd have to see it myself. From seeing him play I can't call him downright terrible yet
if MOST of his shots were mid range jumpers (as opposed to layups/dunks) then i think you would reconsider 
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nitpicking his jumper? you can't nitpick something that doesn't exist.
I've said many times that the fact that rondo is able to do what he does in spite of the fact that he has no jumper is quite an accomplishment. I said I agreed with the original post regarding rondo that he is on the cusp of greatness and he is without question a top 5 point guard right now.
I mean, how much more praise do I need to give the guy to be able to speak the truth that he has no jump shot?
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United States3803 Posts
FAK RONDO FAK FAK FAK
MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS MY GOD
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Tracy McGrady, I used to have respect for you, but now you've shown your a me first primadonna like Allen Iverson's quitting ass. Your teammates' hard work has cindarellad Houston into a decent record, and your coach wants to ease you so a) you can play while minimizing chances of your injury and b) so your played isn't so forced that you hurt your team, hurt their chemistry...
But no, you're too good to worry about stupid things like your team's success. You'd rather not play at all than gradually make Houston better. Yeah you want to compete, but evidently doing what's best for the team has little to do with competing.
I think the media usually overblows stupid things like Iverson practicing or sportsmanship rituals, but refusing to play and not listening to the coach... I hope Yao pounds some sense into you.
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Rondo's shooting 52% from the free throw line, he can't shoot worth squat
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agreed about Tmac, what a fag.
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Tmac use to be one of my favorite players when he was in Orlando and his first few years with the Rockets, but now...
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damn... when the Lakers lose they just get blown out haha
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They were swept away by Nash's incredible charm.
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HonestTea
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On December 30 2009 03:41 tonight wrote:
They were swept away by Nash's incredible charm.
Hey, I would be too. I'm cheating on the Pistons with Chauncey, then I cheat on Chauncey with Nash these days. I'm a fuckign whore.
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HonestTea
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http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/29/mapping-the-nba-inside-out/
Really good article and chat about the two most effecient shots for scoring (at the rim and at the 3 line).
Ziller then makes a chart that places each team's percentage of close range FG attempts and Trampball attempts.
Of course, just because most of your shot ATTEMPTS come from close and the three line doesn't mean your team is good (look at the chart) but you can tell which teams need to improve in what areas. (conclusion: GET BETTER BEN GORDON)
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i believe adelman actually said tmac wont get any more than 7 minutes at all.
he didn't want to change the game plan to fit tmac's style in,
since houston ball centers around everyone playing their butts off
and actually listening to the coach.
the 7 minute plan was to assess tmac's current state.
but this was a joke anyway because 7 minute is too short of a time to showcase your talent
when you are just getting back on the court after a long, serious injury.
adelman knew about this, and just wanted tmac off his team.
and if your tmac, your contract is expiring this year, and you feel healthy enough.
you want to showcase your talent and earn your next paycheck.
he didn't "quit" on the team. it was just a bad situation for tmac to be in.
he understood that houston doesnt want him, so he did what he did.
nothing like ai not showing up in memphis cuz he's "better."
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he is better than Mike Conley though. His complaints were warranted.
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MURICA15980 Posts
On December 30 2009 09:45 HonestTea wrote:http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/29/mapping-the-nba-inside-out/Really good article and chat about the two most effecient shots for scoring (at the rim and at the 3 line). Ziller then makes a chart that places each team's percentage of close range FG attempts and Trampball attempts. Of course, just because most of your shot ATTEMPTS come from close and the three line doesn't mean your team is good (look at the chart) but you can tell which teams need to improve in what areas. (conclusion: GET BETTER BEN GORDON)
Whats interesting is the NBA's best teams are all clustered together in the middle for the most part.
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