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oob
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden630 Posts
January 14 2013 02:40 GMT
#561
Anyone watching Apex?

What did you think about Leffen following the rules during doubles again SFAT and Scar?
Happiest man on earth
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 03:29:57
January 14 2013 03:29 GMT
#562
GRAND FINALS: + Show Spoiler +
Dr. PP (MARTH!) vs Armada (Peach)


www.twitch.tv/8wayrun
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 14 2013 03:59 GMT
#563
well results are
+ Show Spoiler +

1. Armada (Peach, Young Link vs. HBox)
2. Dr. Peepee (Falco, Marth vs. Armada)
3. Mew2King (Sheik)
4. Mango (Falco/Fox)
5/6. Hungrybox (Jigglypuff), Shroomed (Dr. Mario)
7/8. Hax (C. Falcon), KirbyKaze (Sheik)
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darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
January 14 2013 04:09 GMT
#564
Wow, crazy GFs. Can't wait for VODs of the whole event.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
January 14 2013 04:17 GMT
#565
On January 14 2013 13:09 darkmetal505 wrote:
Wow, crazy GFs. Can't wait for VODs of the whole event.


Very impressed with pp's marth. Even with the three Suicides in the first match of the first set.
Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
January 14 2013 04:33 GMT
#566
Wow this black guy is really good. Very impressed.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 14 2013 05:53 GMT
#567
On January 14 2013 11:40 oob wrote:
Anyone watching Apex?

What did you think about Leffen following the rules during doubles again SFAT and Scar?


can't complain too much about rules, but very few other players would've done that

On January 14 2013 13:17 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 13:09 darkmetal505 wrote:
Wow, crazy GFs. Can't wait for VODs of the whole event.


Very impressed with pp's marth. Even with the three Suicides in the first match of the first set.


I think he's been preparing his Marth for a while now It showed! Too bad Armada is basically unbeatable

Also, M2K > Mango twice was certainly unexpected
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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
January 14 2013 06:05 GMT
#568
On January 14 2013 14:53 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 11:40 oob wrote:
Anyone watching Apex?

What did you think about Leffen following the rules during doubles again SFAT and Scar?


can't complain too much about rules, but very few other players would've done that

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 13:17 Infernal_dream wrote:
On January 14 2013 13:09 darkmetal505 wrote:
Wow, crazy GFs. Can't wait for VODs of the whole event.


Very impressed with pp's marth. Even with the three Suicides in the first match of the first set.


I think he's been preparing his Marth for a while now It showed! Too bad Armada is basically unbeatable

Also, M2K > Mango twice was certainly unexpected


Armada definitely switched his playstyle with peach between those two sets. Crazy to see from extreme defense to offense in no time at all. That last stock fight was great. Good grabs and then one good aerial dodge by armada and he just put the pain on.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
January 14 2013 06:15 GMT
#569
Didn't catch much of Mango, so I was pretty disappointed. Otherwise, most of the fights were good and the character diversity was fine too.
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
January 14 2013 06:21 GMT
#570
What exactly happened with Leffen? I didn't catch much of early part of the tourney.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 14 2013 06:33 GMT
#571
Sigh, I really wish characters like Peach and Jigglypuff weren't good enough for being playable. Also I feel like Fox is quite overrated and Sheik is underrated. Very few players play these characters close to optimally.

I'd have wished PP to win, I don't get why his Marth worked so well. Armada's supposed to never lose to Marths. I also don't think Falco vs Peach is a bad matchup so I guess he just didn't know it too well(Didn't see his games vs Armada so tough to say).

It also is pretty sad that most people still don't space properly against crouch cancel possibilities. It's as if that aspect hasn't evolved at all in 4 years.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
KonekoTyriin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States60 Posts
January 14 2013 06:46 GMT
#572
On January 14 2013 15:21 darkmetal505 wrote:
What exactly happened with Leffen? I didn't catch much of early part of the tourney.

In a team match (Scar and... lozr? vs Leffen and Ice), Scar lost a life and mashed start, thinking it was his last and wanting to steal a life as soon as possible. He still had a life, though, so he accidentally paused. When he unpaused as though to continue playing the set, Leffen paused and called for the rules. The ruleset for the tournament had an explicit stipulation for this occurrence: the opposing team may deem one stock of the offending player forfeit. Leffen claimed that right, and Scar had to throw away his last stock.

The crowd made loud angry boos when Leffen and Ice won the match. The commentators basically agreed that the correct decision was made on the grounds that the rules are there to be followed.

One complicating factor of note is that the vast majority of team tournaments have pause turned OFF in the options, so that this kind of thing can't happen at all. In this tournament, the pause is on as a safeguard against equipment malfunction or an actual emergency, so that the state of the set can be maintained while technical issues are resolved. It's still an open question for future tournaments whether to enable pause or not.
THIS COURAGE OF MINE BURNS WITH AN AWESOME COURAGE
Arolis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 06:53:04
January 14 2013 06:52 GMT
#573
On January 14 2013 15:33 Shikyo wrote:
Sigh, I really wish characters like Peach and Jigglypuff weren't good enough for being playable. Also I feel like Fox is quite overrated and Sheik is underrated. Very few players play these characters close to optimally.

I'd have wished PP to win, I don't get why his Marth worked so well. Armada's supposed to never lose to Marths. I also don't think Falco vs Peach is a bad matchup so I guess he just didn't know it too well(Didn't see his games vs Armada so tough to say).

It also is pretty sad that most people still don't space properly against crouch cancel possibilities. It's as if that aspect hasn't evolved at all in 4 years.

What do you have against Peach and Jigglypuff? I think it's nice that different styles of characters are viable at the top and not just speedy face smashers like Fox and Marth. Do you dislike their style of play? Their floatiness? Do you think the characters are cheap and rely on gimmicks instead of straight up face smashing like the other top tier? Do you hate the pace of the game when these characters are in control of the match?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 07:17:10
January 14 2013 07:16 GMT
#574
On January 14 2013 15:52 Arolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 15:33 Shikyo wrote:
Sigh, I really wish characters like Peach and Jigglypuff weren't good enough for being playable. Also I feel like Fox is quite overrated and Sheik is underrated. Very few players play these characters close to optimally.

I'd have wished PP to win, I don't get why his Marth worked so well. Armada's supposed to never lose to Marths. I also don't think Falco vs Peach is a bad matchup so I guess he just didn't know it too well(Didn't see his games vs Armada so tough to say).

It also is pretty sad that most people still don't space properly against crouch cancel possibilities. It's as if that aspect hasn't evolved at all in 4 years.

What do you have against Peach and Jigglypuff? I think it's nice that different styles of characters are viable at the top and not just speedy face smashers like Fox and Marth. Do you dislike their style of play? Their floatiness? Do you think the characters are cheap and rely on gimmicks instead of straight up face smashing like the other top tier? Do you hate the pace of the game when these characters are in control of the match?

They promote camping and only getting a single hit off, the gameplay with one of these characters in the match is going to be way slower, games also last longer. It's almost like brawl. Especially Peach with her crouch canceling makes most pressure stupid or impossible, and because the risk-reward ratio of comboing and shield pressuring her is so skewed especially if you play someone like a fastfaller, you only want to get surefire hits in and play incredibly safe. Jigglypuff's sort of the same deal, her crouch cancel punishes are the best in the game along with Peach(different functions) so you're basically relegated to hitting her off the air and grabbing her. Again promotes really safe and slow-paced play. Not to mention she's countered by stuff like Young Link and Young Link vs Jigglypuff is the fourth-most boring matchup in the game after Peach-Peach, Jiggly-Jiggly, and Peach-Jiggly.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 07:46:17
January 14 2013 07:46 GMT
#575
I don't watch fighting games at all but that last match was awesome. Also I love how unprofessional these games are compared to other esports. It's so dirty and raw compared to the crisp & clean scene of LoL/SC2.
Retvrn to Forvms
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
January 14 2013 08:07 GMT
#576
lol at mew2king. pls no hugs pls
Without a paddle up shit creek.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 14 2013 11:09 GMT
#577
On January 14 2013 15:46 KonekoTyriin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 15:21 darkmetal505 wrote:
What exactly happened with Leffen? I didn't catch much of early part of the tourney.

In a team match (Scar and... lozr? vs Leffen and Ice),


I think it was Scar + SFAT? (Lozr is from NC and teams with PP)
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
January 14 2013 21:30 GMT
#578
This game still has a competitive scene? That's pretty cool.

I used to play it all the time with my friends. I was great with Marth. Never really got into brawl the same way, it felt too clunky and messy.
=)=
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
January 14 2013 21:32 GMT
#579
On January 15 2013 06:30 itkovian wrote:
This game still has a competitive scene? That's pretty cool.

I used to play it all the time with my friends. I was great with Marth. Never really got into brawl the same way, it felt too clunky and messy.


They got rid of most of the things that made melee good. They also slowed the game down massively.
Yakal
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 00:47:35
January 15 2013 00:47 GMT
#580
Anyone in vancouver bc still play?

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