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On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Once I get to this stage of the game, I end up having so much money I'm literally throwing it away, all my companions have the best armor and horses I can find, and I have about 20 pack horses. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
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On May 04 2011 14:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
Should I buy Fire and Sword or buy the other ones as well? I never played any of them before and I only really care about the multiplayer
Each version of Mount & Blade past the first has had improved game mechanics and increased game possibilities, so by not getting the newer one, you are omitting some variational possibilities. That being said, M&B vanilla and Warband have a lot of very good mods, so if you're looking beyond the base functionality, the older titles of course have a more developed custom scene. The newest title will of course catch up as Warband mods and such gets converted for With Fire and Sword, and I imagine a lot of the modders will go over to the newest title.
That being said though, the deciding factor might be a setting thing. If you like low-tech gunpowder weapons and pseudo-historical settings, then With Fire and Sword would be the best choice. If you prefer the the more rustic feel of the 1200s and an imaginary medieval kingdom with no ties to history, Warband is your thing.
Edit: Here's some art examples from combat situations, might help you pick out a preferred setting.
+ Show Spoiler [Warband] +
+ Show Spoiler [With Fire and Sword] +
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On May 04 2011 23:17 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks! Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles. Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.
I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.
However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.
Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!
Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
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On May 04 2011 23:24 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 23:17 Sm3agol wrote:On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks! Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles. Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills. Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now. I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc. However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far. Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around! Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
Kings WILL grant you fiefs eventually, but a female character will need a lot more reputation than a male to get it, meaning you will have to work your reputation up a little more. Realise though, that the fiefs are only for you to adminstrate as long as you're a vassal of that kingdom - if you decide to cut it off from them at some point, all land controlled by you will be returned to them.
Nobles have three main uses. One, you can hold on to them and wait for a ransom offer (this takes a week + random, so you can end up sitting with him for ages). Two, you can turn him over to a friendly lord as a part of a quest (they will sometimes ask you to capture an enemy lord wether you have a captured lord or not - run around to a few and see if they're interested). Three, you can hold on to them or store them in your prison (if you have a keep) to reduce the fighting power of the enemy kingdom - without lords, they have no armies, and without armies, they aren't exactly mobile.
Once you've decided to capture him, you cannot release him, really. The only way to get rid of him is to do one of the things described above, or wait untill the war between your kingdom and his is over, at which point he is automatically released (for no reward). The best here is to just let him go, which will yield you some honor as well as a positive relation boost with the said lord. Well, most of the time, anyway.
You cannot kill him, unfortunately.
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It's definitely all about raiding, it's all you ever really want for cash  .
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On May 04 2011 23:24 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 23:17 Sm3agol wrote:On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks! Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles. Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills. Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now. I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc. However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far. Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around! Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left....they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz.
And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to.
And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal "noble" armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.
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On May 04 2011 23:34 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 23:24 Haemonculus wrote:On May 04 2011 23:17 Sm3agol wrote:On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks! Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles. Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills. Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now. I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc. However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far. Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around! Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow? Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left....they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz. And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to. And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal "noble" armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.
The skill is called, uh, Training. :p As a note; it stacks, meaning it's nice getting some late ranks of Training on all your companions. Remember that it is based on the level of the trainer versus the level of the recipient though, and even peasants start out at level 6, so don't go getting it before you / your companion's gotten a good dozen levels under your belt.
Rhodoks are a mixed bag though. Since both their crossbowmen and infantry have something like 6 ranks of upgrades, it takes a lot of time (and money) to get them to elite status. The fact that the infantry is also spearmen makes them die like flies against anything that's not cavalry, as they're incredibly vulnerable against faster melee fighters such as the infantry of any other faction, as well as Nord, Sarranid and Vaegir archers in melee combat. Rhodok infantry is usually just a massive money sink, as they die off far too fast compared to other infantries.
I personally prefer Nord Veteran archers, as they only have 3 or 4 or so ranks of upgrades (making them cheap and easy to train, without too much power loss compared to the "elite" archers of other factions), with Nord Huscarls or Swadian Sergeants for infantry. Both Swadian and Nord infantry are durable and able during the early stages of their carreers, so the losses in their ranks aren't as horrible as those of Vaegirs and Rhodoks, specifically.
Cavalry are way overpriced, and while Sarranid Mamelukes and Swadian Knights are demi-gods in their own right, the training cost as well as weekly maintenance cost are just ridiculous. Instead, I use all my companions (aside from Deshavi, my <3 archer awesome cutie pie) as immortal cavalry cannon fodder.
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On May 04 2011 23:43 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 23:34 Sm3agol wrote:On May 04 2011 23:24 Haemonculus wrote:On May 04 2011 23:17 Sm3agol wrote:On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks! Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles. Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills. Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now. I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc. However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far. Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around! Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow? Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left....they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz. And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to. And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal "noble" armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time. The skill is called, uh, Training. :p As a note; it stacks, meaning it's nice getting some late ranks of Training on all your companions. Remember that it is based on the level of the trainer versus the level of the recipient though, and even peasants start out at level 6, so don't go getting it before you / your companion's gotten a good dozen levels under your belt. Rhodoks are a mixed bag though. Since both their crossbowmen and infantry have something like 6 ranks of upgrades, it takes a lot of time (and money) to get them to elite status. The fact that the infantry is also spearmen makes them die like flies against anything that's not cavalry, as they're incredibly vulnerable against faster melee fighters such as the infantry of any other faction, as well as Nord, Sarranid and Vaegir archers in melee combat. Rhodok infantry is usually just a massive money sink, as they die off far too fast compared to other infantries. I personally prefer Nord Veteran archers, as they only have 3 or 4 or so ranks of upgrades (making them cheap and easy to train, without too much power loss compared to the "elite" archers of other factions), with Nord Huscarls or Swadian Sergeants for infantry. Both Swadian and Nord infantry are durable and able during the early stages of their carreers, so the losses in their ranks aren't as horrible as those of Vaegirs and Rhodoks, specifically. Cavalry are way overpriced, and while Sarranid Mamelukes and Swadian Knights are demi-gods in their own right, the training cost as well as weekly maintenance cost are just ridiculous. Instead, I use all my companions (aside from Deshavi, my <3 archer awesome cutie pie) as immortal cavalry cannon fodder.
LOL. I should have known that the training skill would be called.....training. And yeah, I know it stacks, I like to have 4 or 5 people in my group with >5(I think, it's been a little while) training. It makes ranking your men up SOOOO easy.
And like I said, money is never a problem for me, so having a money sink is something I never even noticed. I just notice that they farking rape anything cavalry, and me and my companion's cavalry usually keep anything heavy infantry off their backs, so maybe I just haven't noticed my men's heavy infantry deficiencies. I dunno, but I just just never have any problems with anything in the game with the composition of cavalry(me, companions, and random mercenaries) and Rhodok heavies in a 40/60 ratio(40 spear 60 crossbow). A key though is making sure your companions don't get bogged down in battles before your infantry can engage. Also of note, I always start the battle with my infantry on hold, so my archers have the maximum time to do damage. If I can run to a nearby hill and make them even better, then I do that, but I never run forwards with my infantry.
I think my ease of battle is more in line with how broken heavy archers can be though. Once you get to be a crack horse archer.......nothing can stand in your way. Heavy infantry still die to a crossbow bolt to the head, and they don't even try to block it. Just run around in circles and shoot people in the dome. If they have enough cavalry to keep me from doing that I just lead them into my spearmen, and they fall in seconds.
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Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
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On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:
Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Have been wondering about this aswell, not sure if you need to work for the king to recruit or something. Also the mercs that ive hired cant be upgraded! Yet there is a training skill..
Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles, now i can barely support my little band of 20 mercs with regular quests giving you 200-500 bucks. They could atleast have had like a duel or something to replace it.
Either this needs to get modded beyond recognition or some major patches need to come. For right now its not worth playing im sorry. 
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On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:
Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Mercs are really cheap in WFAS compared to Warband, so that's how I've gotten my army up to fighting size so far. In the center of each nation's territorry, there's also a mercenary camp where you can hire and equip more specialized troops.
I havent played WFAS more than a few hours so far though, so I don't really know much about it past the beginning.
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There are now 'peasants' in Fire, but there are two grades of mercs. The tavern mercenaries are considerably cheaper than in previous episodes of the game and now there are new 'mercenaries camps'. These camps allow you to recruit fresh mercs which are the equivalent of peasants in one of the three troop types. The new systems is leaps and bounds better because you can actually buy equipment for the peasants to your liking through the camp AI. Want them to carry a pistol? You can do it. How about chain boots? No problem. They can be upgraded extensively at your will.
As always with M&B, you have to really dig in to find the new features. Once you get over the learning curve it's an astoundingly deep game and it clearly outshines its predecessors.
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I'm not sure if this is really viable, but I've been finding that it's worth getting as many cheap units as you can afford and not worrying about upgrading them, so there will be more people to lead the charge and soak up shots, freeing you up to pick enemies off from the back.
Again, I'm not sure if this is most cost effective or not, as I haven't really explored how shields affect gunfire just yet, but it just seems that there's no point in having only a few expensive troops because they will just melt.
Another thing that I've been experimenting with, is just not recruiting anyone for as long as you can. That way you can earn enough to start making some good trades and buy some decent equipment, while not paying any overheads.
It's not that hard if you have a horse and a pistol and are only against small groups of unmounted melee infantry.
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this game is so fun, heeromaki (stream) inspired me to play this, but one thing i hate is the tourney.
you basically flip a coin weather you get a horse or a bow. GRR!
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On May 05 2011 00:20 MHT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:
Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently. Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles
seriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.
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Any of you guys play online? The single player was fun but too time consuming for me... And I find that ai combat is just a bit lacking.
Held off getting the expansion this weekend... Will probably wait for some reviews and reactions before purchasing. Though I really love the feel of combat in wb.
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On May 05 2011 01:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 00:20 MHT wrote:On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:
Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently. Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles seriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.
What do you mean by raiding? Is that only in the new one? I only get like 50 money from them, but then loads of goods which I can sell later.
I usually end up pillaging villages whenever I need money, but by now my land holdings are generating enough income to offset my army costs.
So I was *finally* awarded a village as a fief, but it's deeeeep in enemy territory, and just gets pillaged over and over. Impossible to defend, there's like 4 enemy castles/towns between us and the village. I have no idea why it's even under our control anymore lol.
Anyway my village proved impossible to get to, so I got bored and just now conquered a castle. My little band of 50 or so hardened veterans are more or less unstoppable in a straight fight. Battles usually go the same way every time:
I tell my infantry/archers to hold our starting position. I put my skirmishers a little bit ahead of them (usually lower on the same hill), and have them hold there. The enemy thus needs to advance into a wall of spears, with arrows and javalins peppering them as they approach. I take all my cavalry, and have them follow me. We rush off to the side of the field and wait for the enemy to approach the main army. I then tell the cavalry to just charge, then pull out my lance and go hunting. Run run run, *poke*, run run run *poke*, just picking off enemies one by one until everyone's dead. Crazy chaotic and such, but fun.
So what do I do with my pretty new castle? I obviously need to give it one hell of a garrison, else it'll be re-captured by tomorrow, but where do I find the sheer numbers needed for a proper garrison?
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On May 05 2011 03:07 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 01:38 sc4k wrote:On May 05 2011 00:20 MHT wrote:On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote:
Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently. Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles seriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k. What do you mean by raiding? Is that only in the new one? I only get like 50 money from them, but then loads of goods which I can sell later. I usually end up pillaging villages whenever I need money, but by now my land holdings are generating enough income to offset my army costs. So I was *finally* awarded a village as a fief, but it's deeeeep in enemy territory, and just gets pillaged over and over. Impossible to defend, there's like 4 enemy castles/towns between us and the village. I have no idea why it's even under our control anymore lol. Anyway my village proved impossible to get to, so I got bored and just now conquered a castle. My little band of 50 or so hardened veterans are more or less unstoppable in a straight fight. Battles usually go the same way every time: I tell my infantry/archers to hold our starting position. I put my skirmishers a little bit ahead of them (usually lower on the same hill), and have them hold there. The enemy thus needs to advance into a wall of spears, with arrows and javalins peppering them as they approach. I take all my cavalry, and have them follow me. We rush off to the side of the field and wait for the enemy to approach the main army. I then tell the cavalry to just charge, then pull out my lance and go hunting. Run run run, *poke*, run run run *poke*, just picking off enemies one by one until everyone's dead. Crazy chaotic and such, but fun. So what do I do with my pretty new castle? I obviously need to give it one hell of a garrison, else it'll be re-captured by tomorrow, but where do I find the sheer numbers needed for a proper garrison?
Downloading the Diplomacy mod for Warband/Mount&Blade vanilla gives fiefcontrol and castle micromanagement a lot of boosts, so you might want to look into that. You should be able to find it on the taleworlds forum, under its own forum category.
Anyhow, you said you conquered a castle. Was this done as vassal of another kingdom, or as a freelancer? If you're a vassal, you might want to talk to the king as he might want to award the castle to you, depending on how well he likes you / you're liked in the kingdom in general. If you're a freelancer, then you should assign two of your companions to lord-status straight away, give them one village each and hurridly conquer a second castle / a fortress so you have a powerbase strong enough to support at least 4 lords aside from you. Without this powerbase, you will be unable to conquer anything without losing something in return, and that's a death spiral for any fledgeling faction.
As for castle defenses. The stardard of AI castles is between 100 and 150 man strong, with about half that as elites, which again are split 60/40 archer / melee. That number is a good spot to start at least, although just loading up on all your max-upgraded troops while training others is a favorite way for me to protect my most valuable assets.
Edit: Oh, and about raiding - realise you'll get some pretty heavy faction hits with the villages you raid, meaning you'll most probably not be able to recruit anything from them down the road. While that might seem irrelevant currently, do remember that eventually, you'll sit on a kingdom made from patchwork out of various kingdoms if you try making your own, and if you've raided indiscriminately, reinforcing your army with recruits might be tough.
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Anyone who doesn't own Warband yet (aka noobs) you can get it from direct2drive for 5.99, and if you google a tellapal referral link you can even get 15% of that if you are super cheap, making it just over 5 bux
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The Multiplayer is really fun, there should be more players =(
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