Just going to make a brief introduction, gameplay review, strategies thoughts about the mount and blade.
Introduction:
Mount&Blade is a medieval single-player open-ended action role-playing video game (as per said by wikipedia). of course, you start as a single person wearing medieval yet fashionable clothes and kinda weak in the beginning. You first start to look for companions (Like and RPG) the games doesn't end as well (that is why it's open-ended) and when you battle enemies, it's real time action at the same time the characters and your companions level up as well.
The best thing about mount&blade is that it's mod friendly, and it does have a vast majority of people that modify their own game for it's longevity. Meaning, if you're sick and tired that you've already conquered the whole damn kingdom of w/e. Then you can just download modules at http://www.taleworlds.com/mb_settings.html. As for myself, I haven't finish the game itself and have yet to see those modules.
Gameplay and some thoughs about it:
1. Map navigation: This is a real pain in the ass yo! Just think about how incredibly foreign the names of each town, castle and civilian village. It's really a choir when you visit from town to town and the fact that you want to level up is absurd at times. Sometimes, you would see enemies that will run away from you because you have a huge army, then at times if they know that they can kick you arse, then they'll hunt you down like an animal. Anyway, if you probably play the game for about 14 hours and you've got a feel for it. Then map navigation will not be that much of an issue and I'll try to provide some simple steps on how to deal with this occurrence.
2. Inventory: Yeah the inventory is very simple, kinda Diablo-ish and you know the drill You also need to buy food and stuff. Food so that the morale of your comrades doesn't get low (meaning if they are poor in morale, they'll leave the party and make travelling slower) Stuff, so you can trade it from town to town.
3. Troops: the interesting part, you get to level up your troops everytime you defeat some enemies of the king (or mountain bandits at times). You can order your troops to defend a position or charge the enemies. Also, you can choose if you want to order only the archers, cavalries and infantries. Man, the battles is intense in this one and sometimes retarded at best
Btw, you can actually kidnap defeated lords and kings, then ransom them for money! You'd actually know who you up against if you asked your own lords "who are we at war against or w/e?" I also suggest not to fight every single lord because they can out match you with mass soldiers or they can pounce on you like hyenas. (I'm trying to say 1v5 lords is like 50 soldiers vs 200 to 500 soldiers anyone?)
4. Fighting: This one has a kung fu side to it, I'm not going to provide all the details but I can say is that gets a little repetitive when you're not mounted on a horse, but mount-on-horse action is so fucking awesome! You get do to horse-bys on does puny humans wearing ordinary clothes while you gallop your way and slash their heads! Man, the game is really about the horses if I was to be ask. Also, there is a system called siege the castle/defend the castle. These one is pretty 50/50 for me. It's sometimes fun due to being too challenging and at times retard again because of it's simplicity. Well, you'll get my drift once you play the besiege the castle.
Strategy (I'm going to put it in spoiler for option of finding out the game by yourself):
I'm just going to try listing the necessary stuff in the game so you will not be confused:
1. Importance of Money -> Money here is totally relevant, not unlike in other RPG's that when you go level 9999 you're money is nothing more than display or something you just flaunt. NO, it's like real life, if you don't have the money, you don't have the troops and bye bye to them. So as much as possible join tournaments and kidnap conflicting lords as much as possible.
2. Get Comrades from Town Taverns -> You get unique characters that will help you in your quest from kingdom conquering! They have different specialities, there is an engineer, a medic (so that you can quickly heal the wounded in no time), a very awesome fighter, a leader, a very intelligent young woman (for buying books), etc. The problem with the unique characters is that sometimes they conflict with each other, then of course you have to be bias whom to support with their arguments. Of course, you always have to be bias with the higher level comrade since they are more useful.
Note: Also get a lot of recruits from different villages, Swadia and Vaegirs has awesome knights, Khans have awesome crossbow men, Rhodoks spearmen and Nords for Infantry or w/e.
3. Be an Errand Boy -> The love and hate relationship with the game. You are going to be provided with a lot of task by the kings and lords. Man, it's going to be 50 percent fighting and 50 percent delivery boy which looks like a choir. But you got to do this to get their support, get a lot of pat in the back, of course in the long run, the king and his men will provide you a castle or even best a TOWN!
4. Don't forget to buy food -> for the party's morale of course, and you also need to buy different because they kinda like it. food is quite expensive here and beef always rots. (stay away from buying beef)
5. Take advantage of the trading -> try buying a lot of stuff like oil, furs etc cheaply then selling it to the other town really helps! You'd gain lots of money if you know that the other town want's to buy the junk you have for a higher price.
6. Always talk to prisoners -> very simple just always remember to talk to some of them because there's a big risk that they sometimes run away.
7. Last but not the least, Garrison -> Just put some soldiers in your castle in case you already own one, so that you don't need to pay them all on a weekly basis, Also helps if you are being sieged by the warring tribes.
Man, I think this is not a brief introduction of the game anymore:
My thoughts:
It's really addicting and personally I like the game, Man the thing that got to me is the horse-by's! It's also damn challenging as well, it's a little complex at times but if you are pretty good at decision-making and planning a head. it will work just fine, I also have problems with autosaving and saving on exit. Man, had to cheat the game many times (pressing alt+f4) because I was losing a castle or losing a fight. Forgot to add the graphics looks like so 2002, which is not too visually appealing
Man, to be honest I just wanted to put this in a link but I don't want to be a rule-breaker so I've tried my best to put all my insight in this post
Also, PM me if you need details or if you very interested about the game since I know for a fact I might have missed some things. I do have some mod stuff with me that I can send to you (like example is battlesizer and so that you can have 500 vs 500 battles which crashed Mount and Blade )
And please enjoy the hard work I've put in this thread
edit: also, if there are alot of grammar issues please just ignore, kinda rushed this one
Insight provided by Falcynn:
If you really want to have an awesome time with this I suggest getting the Native Expansion mod from the forums. Makes the game so much more awesome
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Mount&Blade and this is a good site to understand some strategies and tips a little better. Also it helps to understand right away the likes and dislikes of each comrade, so you don't end up like me and have a party full of people who don't like pillaging villages (which is my main source of income ) or who hate doing whatever else it is you prefer doing.
If you really want to have an awesome time with this I suggest getting the Native Expansion mod from the forums. Makes the game so much more awesome
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Mount&Blade and this is a good site to understand some strategies and tips a little better. Also it helps to understand right away the likes and dislikes of each comrade, so you don't end up like me and have a party full of people who don't like pillaging villages (which is my main source of income ) or who hate doing whatever else it is you prefer doing.
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Go talk to a king and get him to hire you. It's mostly 1-year contracts where the general will contact you if they go to war, asking you to find cattle, scout the area, help with sieges etc. If you become well known enough you can ask the king for lands and such, and just snowball from there.
Edit: you need some renown for a king to hire you, so if you don't have enough I find the easiest way is to win tournaments for like 50 renown per win.
what i did was pledge my allegiance to a king, did his dirty work, captured castles and then rebelled. its pretty fun especially sieging castles with 400+ garrisons. and try upping the difficulty, much more of a challenge
Mount and Blade is awesome, my friends play it online currently and I'm thinking about rebuying it since I lost it and only played a torrented version last time I played. Also can't wait for the new one coming out!
Oh man, this game is honestly unparalleled with mods. I played this one for awhile. Its mindblowing how awesome and in depth it is, and theres new version coming out soonish. http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,119.0.html
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
mount and blades whatever u make of it. You can play it anyway you like. There no real "win" objective. I like to play as a bandit and see how many people i can piss off till they come and kill me. raiding caravans is fun ^^. If you want to become king. Then the best way is to just be a slave hunter for a long time. Get like a a small party of 20ish guys and go north and hunt sea raiders with clubs and maces. Then be a knight for some king. He will give u a bunch of land and then turn on him. Bam u are a king!
Mount & Blade is pretty much a medieval mercenary captain simulator rather than a story-driven RPG. As for what to do, there's really three general options you have - vassal for a kingdom, ruler of your own kingdom, or an outlaw at war with factions for monetary profit. I generally build my character up a few 20 or so levels by being a mercenary for a chosen major faction, then pouncing on a fortress city when my army's around 70 man elite strong and expanding my own kingdom from there. The game is somewhat limited in that aside from building and training your army, fighting small-scale battles and defending/attacking sieges as well as occationally busting your pals out of jail, there's really not much going on. For me though, that's been enough to keep me entertained for 350 hours since december - 100 of those hours the first week after purchase.
Speaking of Mount and Blade - With Fire and Steel, a 1600ish "expansion" was just released today. If you like the Mount and Blade gameplay and enjoy primitive gunpowder tech and northeastern European conflicts, you should check it out!
On May 04 2011 11:12 plated.rawr wrote: Mount & Blade is pretty much a medieval mercenary captain simulator rather than a story-driven RPG. As for what to do, there's really three general options you have - vassal for a kingdom, ruler of your own kingdom, or an outlaw at war with factions for monetary profit. I generally build my character up a few 20 or so levels by being a mercenary for a chosen major faction, then pouncing on a fortress city when my army's around 70 man elite strong and expanding my own kingdom from there. The game is somewhat limited in that aside from building and training your army, fighting small-scale battles and defending/attacking sieges as well as occationally busting your pals out of jail, there's really not much going on. For me though, that's been enough to keep me entertained for 350 hours since december - 100 of those hours the first week after purchase.
Speaking of Mount and Blade - With Fire and Steel, a 1600ish "expansion" was just released today. If you like the Mount and Blade gameplay and enjoy primitive gunpowder tech and northeastern European conflicts, you should check it out!
You just cost me 15 bucks you asshole!
I've played this game since the very first one and have insanely long playing sessions as a result. It's a very addicting game that I play in surges between SC2. The ability to take over your character and fight in large-scale battles while building a kingdom makes for a fun game experience and beats MMOs imo.
<3
Inc 100 Hours between this and SC2 this week. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Played With Fire and Sword for about 8 hours today straight. It is basically just a Warband mod, which I guess is why it is an expansion for 13 bucks. However, the new single player mechanics are pretty interesting.
Mount and Blade is the promising alpha version of a game that will never be released >.<
edit; i feel sorry for all those people who can play 10+ hours of this game without being completly bored because of the lack of plot, the terrible quests and the very repetitive battles.
On May 04 2011 14:17 Torte de Lini wrote: Should I buy Fire and Sword or buy the other ones as well? I never played any of them before and I only really care about the multiplayer
if u like guns go fire and sword. If you like to just beat people over the head with weapons. You can get one of the older versions.
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Once I get to this stage of the game, I end up having so much money I'm literally throwing it away, all my companions have the best armor and horses I can find, and I have about 20 pack horses. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
On May 04 2011 14:17 Torte de Lini wrote: Should I buy Fire and Sword or buy the other ones as well? I never played any of them before and I only really care about the multiplayer
Each version of Mount & Blade past the first has had improved game mechanics and increased game possibilities, so by not getting the newer one, you are omitting some variational possibilities. That being said, M&B vanilla and Warband have a lot of very good mods, so if you're looking beyond the base functionality, the older titles of course have a more developed custom scene. The newest title will of course catch up as Warband mods and such gets converted for With Fire and Sword, and I imagine a lot of the modders will go over to the newest title.
That being said though, the deciding factor might be a setting thing. If you like low-tech gunpowder weapons and pseudo-historical settings, then With Fire and Sword would be the best choice. If you prefer the the more rustic feel of the 1200s and an imaginary medieval kingdom with no ties to history, Warband is your thing.
Edit: Here's some art examples from combat situations, might help you pick out a preferred setting.
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.
I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.
However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.
Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!
Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.
I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.
However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.
Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!
Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
Kings WILL grant you fiefs eventually, but a female character will need a lot more reputation than a male to get it, meaning you will have to work your reputation up a little more. Realise though, that the fiefs are only for you to adminstrate as long as you're a vassal of that kingdom - if you decide to cut it off from them at some point, all land controlled by you will be returned to them.
Nobles have three main uses. One, you can hold on to them and wait for a ransom offer (this takes a week + random, so you can end up sitting with him for ages). Two, you can turn him over to a friendly lord as a part of a quest (they will sometimes ask you to capture an enemy lord wether you have a captured lord or not - run around to a few and see if they're interested). Three, you can hold on to them or store them in your prison (if you have a keep) to reduce the fighting power of the enemy kingdom - without lords, they have no armies, and without armies, they aren't exactly mobile.
Once you've decided to capture him, you cannot release him, really. The only way to get rid of him is to do one of the things described above, or wait untill the war between your kingdom and his is over, at which point he is automatically released (for no reward). The best here is to just let him go, which will yield you some honor as well as a positive relation boost with the said lord. Well, most of the time, anyway.
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.
I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.
However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.
Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!
Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left....they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz.
And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to.
And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal "noble" armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.
I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.
However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.
Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!
Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left....they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz.
And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to.
And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal "noble" armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.
The skill is called, uh, Training. :p As a note; it stacks, meaning it's nice getting some late ranks of Training on all your companions. Remember that it is based on the level of the trainer versus the level of the recipient though, and even peasants start out at level 6, so don't go getting it before you / your companion's gotten a good dozen levels under your belt.
Rhodoks are a mixed bag though. Since both their crossbowmen and infantry have something like 6 ranks of upgrades, it takes a lot of time (and money) to get them to elite status. The fact that the infantry is also spearmen makes them die like flies against anything that's not cavalry, as they're incredibly vulnerable against faster melee fighters such as the infantry of any other faction, as well as Nord, Sarranid and Vaegir archers in melee combat. Rhodok infantry is usually just a massive money sink, as they die off far too fast compared to other infantries.
I personally prefer Nord Veteran archers, as they only have 3 or 4 or so ranks of upgrades (making them cheap and easy to train, without too much power loss compared to the "elite" archers of other factions), with Nord Huscarls or Swadian Sergeants for infantry. Both Swadian and Nord infantry are durable and able during the early stages of their carreers, so the losses in their ranks aren't as horrible as those of Vaegirs and Rhodoks, specifically.
Cavalry are way overpriced, and while Sarranid Mamelukes and Swadian Knights are demi-gods in their own right, the training cost as well as weekly maintenance cost are just ridiculous. Instead, I use all my companions (aside from Deshavi, my <3 archer awesome cutie pie) as immortal cavalry cannon fodder.
On May 04 2011 10:12 Haemonculus wrote: Crazy ass bump incoming:
So I've been playing this game like an addict the last two days. Saw it on sale on steam, and figured I'd buy it as I've heard so much about it. I'm still getting used to loads of stuff, but my main problem is... what do I do?
At first I just did the little starting quest, recruited a few peasants, and did the opening quest. My next quest involved training peasants, and the ensuing bandit attack killed everyone in my party. I restarted, and this time spent a while at the training camp, upgrading my soldiers. I killed a bunch of bandits, ran a few errands, got some money, got a slightly bigger army, and repeated the cycle.
Now I've got a little army of 45 men or so, and I basically just travel around entering tournaments. My army is getting expensive, but my income is real sparse as I only really get money from tournament winnings.
What should I do...? I feel like it's starting to get really repetitive. Go here, acquire/rescue/kill X, go to Y for reward. Repeat. What should I be trying to accomplish? Just keep raising a larger army? Bandits just run from me now, (and somehow allllways outrun me), so it's not like I have easy kill targets anymore. I'm kinda scared to start fights with some of the named characters in the world, as I have no idea what will happen.
Certain quests feel kinda impossible. I'm supposed to break some chump out of prison, but the guard is nigh invulnerable. I hit him for like 2-3 damage a swing, and cannot for the life of me kill him before the guards show. Other quests feel stupidly easy, but frustrating. Kill bandits in the surrounding area. Cool beans, but that's all I've been doing so far, and they keep on running.
How do I get some land or holdings for myself? I'm basically just a crazy bitch who runs around the land with a small army, killing bandits at random. I'm told this makes me quite unappealing to the male nobility, lol. Can I still marry into a noble family somehow? Can I like, purchase a castle/village/whatever? Should I start buying businesses? I supposed if this is all there is to the game plot wise, (random kingdoms declaring week-long wars ever month or so), then I'd like to just become as powerful as possible. Queen of the realm sounds nice if my only alternatives are to hunt bandits and deliver wine forever.
What am I missing? This game is really fun, but I have no idea where to go from here. I'm going to get bored of chasing (always faster than me) bandits around! All input is much appreciated, thanks!
Here is what I did. Start small obviously, raid robbers/slavers/etc. Just recruit a lot of peasants. Once you get to ~50, and money is getting really tight, choose a faction that isn't currently at war with more than one other faction, and just start raiding the crap out of them. Kill all their caravans, raze their villages to the ground, seige their cities for as long as you can. You get so much expensive goods from raiding villages, and you can easily fund >100 man armies of elite troops. If you get your merchant and inventory skills up, you can easily empty every traders bank account for every major city around in a single raiding/trading session. Of course all this makes enemies, but it also makes you an "ally" of whatever factions are at war with said faction, and if you manage to help some of them out in battle, and generally be nice to them, you can end a up an honored vassal in no time at all if you want to go that route. I prefer operating on my own though, and if you time things right, like only sieging when your "allies" are seiging, then you can easily end up with almost free villages and castles.
Pro seiging tip. Get really high crossbow skill(both the ingame skill and your actual aiming abilities). Get one of the massive siege crossbows. Attack castle, order your troops to stand still(unless they are of the shieldless/small shield type...but I like the Rhodocks, tower sheilds ftw), while you hide behind the big siege engine thingy, and peek out and headshot fools. Once you get the ranges down, its not even fair, and you can easily pick off 50-60 guys in one sitting, especially if you use keep extra bolts/arrows in your inventory for refills.
Hehe, this is basically what I'm doing now.
I joined up with one of the factions, (dark grey on the map), as they were only at war with the faction that told me to bugger off when I offered to be a vassal. Wanting revenge, I joined up with their enemies, started pillaging like a loon, and generally wreaking havoc.
However, every king I've spoken too says they will not great fiefs to a woman. I offered to serve for free, (hoping that by killing enough baddies, they'll like me), but no luck so far.
Anyway I just now captured an enemy noble, having just fought my first real battle against an actual enemy army. What can I do with him? The prison guard doesn't seem to have any interest, and the local lord and king don't seem to have any dialogue options relating to my noble prisoner. And whenever I actually *have* prisoners, the goddamn ransom broker is never around!
Any way I can profit off this guy? If not should I just let him go? Can I kill him somehow?
Captured nobles = money. Eventually someone will offer $X to ransom them. You can either refuse, and hope you get a better offer(not guaranteed), or accept. Once you get a castle you can just sit his butt in prison to rot, and collect about 20 or so until X faction has no nobles left....they tend ot start escaping though, so that's not really recommended except for the lulz.
And as far as I know, you have to be super gosu(renown) to get a fief granted as a female. Your best bet is to just go it alone and take your own crap with noone to answer to.
And once you get a large enough army to start challenging normal "noble" armies, the fun really starts. Especially since if you choose a faction already at war, you can grind their troops down to crap, and every time you face them its nothing but peasants and low ranked crap. Having a super high training bonus(can't remember exactly what the skill is called) is amazing because you can recruit peasants, and 2 battles and a week later have all of them at tier 3. Then you can have super fun battles of 70 of your elite men vs 200 of their crap peasants, and just roll their army with almost zero losses. Rhodoks are cool because they have ridiculously good crossbowmen + spearmen, so crap armies like peasants will never even reach them half the time.
The skill is called, uh, Training. :p As a note; it stacks, meaning it's nice getting some late ranks of Training on all your companions. Remember that it is based on the level of the trainer versus the level of the recipient though, and even peasants start out at level 6, so don't go getting it before you / your companion's gotten a good dozen levels under your belt.
Rhodoks are a mixed bag though. Since both their crossbowmen and infantry have something like 6 ranks of upgrades, it takes a lot of time (and money) to get them to elite status. The fact that the infantry is also spearmen makes them die like flies against anything that's not cavalry, as they're incredibly vulnerable against faster melee fighters such as the infantry of any other faction, as well as Nord, Sarranid and Vaegir archers in melee combat. Rhodok infantry is usually just a massive money sink, as they die off far too fast compared to other infantries.
I personally prefer Nord Veteran archers, as they only have 3 or 4 or so ranks of upgrades (making them cheap and easy to train, without too much power loss compared to the "elite" archers of other factions), with Nord Huscarls or Swadian Sergeants for infantry. Both Swadian and Nord infantry are durable and able during the early stages of their carreers, so the losses in their ranks aren't as horrible as those of Vaegirs and Rhodoks, specifically.
Cavalry are way overpriced, and while Sarranid Mamelukes and Swadian Knights are demi-gods in their own right, the training cost as well as weekly maintenance cost are just ridiculous. Instead, I use all my companions (aside from Deshavi, my <3 archer awesome cutie pie) as immortal cavalry cannon fodder.
LOL. I should have known that the training skill would be called.....training. And yeah, I know it stacks, I like to have 4 or 5 people in my group with >5(I think, it's been a little while) training. It makes ranking your men up SOOOO easy.
And like I said, money is never a problem for me, so having a money sink is something I never even noticed. I just notice that they farking rape anything cavalry, and me and my companion's cavalry usually keep anything heavy infantry off their backs, so maybe I just haven't noticed my men's heavy infantry deficiencies. I dunno, but I just just never have any problems with anything in the game with the composition of cavalry(me, companions, and random mercenaries) and Rhodok heavies in a 40/60 ratio(40 spear 60 crossbow). A key though is making sure your companions don't get bogged down in battles before your infantry can engage. Also of note, I always start the battle with my infantry on hold, so my archers have the maximum time to do damage. If I can run to a nearby hill and make them even better, then I do that, but I never run forwards with my infantry.
I think my ease of battle is more in line with how broken heavy archers can be though. Once you get to be a crack horse archer.......nothing can stand in your way. Heavy infantry still die to a crossbow bolt to the head, and they don't even try to block it. Just run around in circles and shoot people in the dome. If they have enough cavalry to keep me from doing that I just lead them into my spearmen, and they fall in seconds.
Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote: Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Have been wondering about this aswell, not sure if you need to work for the king to recruit or something. Also the mercs that ive hired cant be upgraded! Yet there is a training skill..
Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles, now i can barely support my little band of 20 mercs with regular quests giving you 200-500 bucks. They could atleast have had like a duel or something to replace it.
Either this needs to get modded beyond recognition or some major patches need to come. For right now its not worth playing im sorry.
On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote: Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Mercs are really cheap in WFAS compared to Warband, so that's how I've gotten my army up to fighting size so far. In the center of each nation's territorry, there's also a mercenary camp where you can hire and equip more specialized troops.
I havent played WFAS more than a few hours so far though, so I don't really know much about it past the beginning.
There are now 'peasants' in Fire, but there are two grades of mercs. The tavern mercenaries are considerably cheaper than in previous episodes of the game and now there are new 'mercenaries camps'. These camps allow you to recruit fresh mercs which are the equivalent of peasants in one of the three troop types. The new systems is leaps and bounds better because you can actually buy equipment for the peasants to your liking through the camp AI. Want them to carry a pistol? You can do it. How about chain boots? No problem. They can be upgraded extensively at your will.
As always with M&B, you have to really dig in to find the new features. Once you get over the learning curve it's an astoundingly deep game and it clearly outshines its predecessors.
I'm not sure if this is really viable, but I've been finding that it's worth getting as many cheap units as you can afford and not worrying about upgrading them, so there will be more people to lead the charge and soak up shots, freeing you up to pick enemies off from the back.
Again, I'm not sure if this is most cost effective or not, as I haven't really explored how shields affect gunfire just yet, but it just seems that there's no point in having only a few expensive troops because they will just melt.
Another thing that I've been experimenting with, is just not recruiting anyone for as long as you can. That way you can earn enough to start making some good trades and buy some decent equipment, while not paying any overheads.
It's not that hard if you have a horse and a pistol and are only against small groups of unmounted melee infantry.
this game is so fun, heeromaki (stream) inspired me to play this, but one thing i hate is the tourney. you basically flip a coin weather you get a horse or a bow. GRR!
On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote: Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles
seriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.
Any of you guys play online? The single player was fun but too time consuming for me... And I find that ai combat is just a bit lacking.
Held off getting the expansion this weekend... Will probably wait for some reviews and reactions before purchasing. Though I really love the feel of combat in wb.
On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote: Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles
seriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.
What do you mean by raiding? Is that only in the new one? I only get like 50 money from them, but then loads of goods which I can sell later.
I usually end up pillaging villages whenever I need money, but by now my land holdings are generating enough income to offset my army costs.
So I was *finally* awarded a village as a fief, but it's deeeeep in enemy territory, and just gets pillaged over and over. Impossible to defend, there's like 4 enemy castles/towns between us and the village. I have no idea why it's even under our control anymore lol.
Anyway my village proved impossible to get to, so I got bored and just now conquered a castle. My little band of 50 or so hardened veterans are more or less unstoppable in a straight fight. Battles usually go the same way every time:
I tell my infantry/archers to hold our starting position. I put my skirmishers a little bit ahead of them (usually lower on the same hill), and have them hold there. The enemy thus needs to advance into a wall of spears, with arrows and javalins peppering them as they approach. I take all my cavalry, and have them follow me. We rush off to the side of the field and wait for the enemy to approach the main army. I then tell the cavalry to just charge, then pull out my lance and go hunting. Run run run, *poke*, run run run *poke*, just picking off enemies one by one until everyone's dead. Crazy chaotic and such, but fun.
So what do I do with my pretty new castle? I obviously need to give it one hell of a garrison, else it'll be re-captured by tomorrow, but where do I find the sheer numbers needed for a proper garrison?
On May 05 2011 00:09 DarKcS wrote: Apparently you can't recruit peasants in the new Fire expansion, so how on earth do you get a starting army? Aren't mercs incredibly expensive? I also heard they die instantly to gunshots so, they are short term cannon fodder apparently.
Another thing im having trouble with is getting money since in warbands tournaments were the main source of income by miles
seriously? Have you tried raiding? You get 10-15k every raid. Actually more like 7-12k.
What do you mean by raiding? Is that only in the new one? I only get like 50 money from them, but then loads of goods which I can sell later.
I usually end up pillaging villages whenever I need money, but by now my land holdings are generating enough income to offset my army costs.
So I was *finally* awarded a village as a fief, but it's deeeeep in enemy territory, and just gets pillaged over and over. Impossible to defend, there's like 4 enemy castles/towns between us and the village. I have no idea why it's even under our control anymore lol.
Anyway my village proved impossible to get to, so I got bored and just now conquered a castle. My little band of 50 or so hardened veterans are more or less unstoppable in a straight fight. Battles usually go the same way every time:
I tell my infantry/archers to hold our starting position. I put my skirmishers a little bit ahead of them (usually lower on the same hill), and have them hold there. The enemy thus needs to advance into a wall of spears, with arrows and javalins peppering them as they approach. I take all my cavalry, and have them follow me. We rush off to the side of the field and wait for the enemy to approach the main army. I then tell the cavalry to just charge, then pull out my lance and go hunting. Run run run, *poke*, run run run *poke*, just picking off enemies one by one until everyone's dead. Crazy chaotic and such, but fun.
So what do I do with my pretty new castle? I obviously need to give it one hell of a garrison, else it'll be re-captured by tomorrow, but where do I find the sheer numbers needed for a proper garrison?
Downloading the Diplomacy mod for Warband/Mount&Blade vanilla gives fiefcontrol and castle micromanagement a lot of boosts, so you might want to look into that. You should be able to find it on the taleworlds forum, under its own forum category.
Anyhow, you said you conquered a castle. Was this done as vassal of another kingdom, or as a freelancer? If you're a vassal, you might want to talk to the king as he might want to award the castle to you, depending on how well he likes you / you're liked in the kingdom in general. If you're a freelancer, then you should assign two of your companions to lord-status straight away, give them one village each and hurridly conquer a second castle / a fortress so you have a powerbase strong enough to support at least 4 lords aside from you. Without this powerbase, you will be unable to conquer anything without losing something in return, and that's a death spiral for any fledgeling faction.
As for castle defenses. The stardard of AI castles is between 100 and 150 man strong, with about half that as elites, which again are split 60/40 archer / melee. That number is a good spot to start at least, although just loading up on all your max-upgraded troops while training others is a favorite way for me to protect my most valuable assets.
Edit: Oh, and about raiding - realise you'll get some pretty heavy faction hits with the villages you raid, meaning you'll most probably not be able to recruit anything from them down the road. While that might seem irrelevant currently, do remember that eventually, you'll sit on a kingdom made from patchwork out of various kingdoms if you try making your own, and if you've raided indiscriminately, reinforcing your army with recruits might be tough.
Anyone who doesn't own Warband yet (aka noobs) you can get it from direct2drive for 5.99, and if you google a tellapal referral link you can even get 15% of that if you are super cheap, making it just over 5 bux
www.c-rpg.net is a great mod for Warband. You sign up and then play multiplayer sieges / battles and your character levels up and you add stats as well as buy gear.
You need to be patient tho, as a peasant you will not get many kills and will die many many times.
On May 08 2011 22:05 Xife wrote: www.c-rpg.net is a great mod for Warband. You sign up and then play multiplayer sieges / battles and your character levels up and you add stats as well as buy gear.
You need to be patient tho, as a peasant you will not get many kills and will die many many times.
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For single player, I'm enjoying this Warband mod, called AD1257. It gives you a large map of Europe and North Africa, with tons of factions and an improved trading/diplomacy/economy system.
Adds quite a few nice features that help you progress smoothly, like having the opportunity to invest in local business in any town/city that you go to, for example.
Have any of you guys checked out With Fire and Sword? It's a great addition to the Mount and Blade franchise. I feel like it's added a level of strategy to the game, instead of just getting to level 25 and chopping up 60 guys all by yourself.
They added guns, but I don't feel like they are OP. Even though they do a lot of damage if you actually manage to hit someone, they take like 10 seconds to reload.
I pre-ordered it during the sale, and me and my friends love it. I recommend it to anyone who enjoys mount and blade.
On May 07 2011 10:08 floor exercise wrote: Anyone who doesn't own Warband yet (aka noobs) you can get it from direct2drive for 5.99, and if you google a tellapal referral link you can even get 15% of that if you are super cheap, making it just over 5 bux
Thanks for the tip! Do you think it's fine for someone who hasn't played the vanilla M&B to jump into Warband? And is there any point in playing the vanilla if I buy Warband?
On May 07 2011 10:08 floor exercise wrote: Anyone who doesn't own Warband yet (aka noobs) you can get it from direct2drive for 5.99, and if you google a tellapal referral link you can even get 15% of that if you are super cheap, making it just over 5 bux
Thanks for the tip! Do you think it's fine for someone who hasn't played the vanilla M&B to jump into Warband? And is there any point in playing the vanilla if I buy Warband?
On May 09 2011 00:53 RoosterSamurai wrote: Have any of you guys checked out With Fire and Sword? It's a great addition to the Mount and Blade franchise. I feel like it's added a level of strategy to the game, instead of just getting to level 25 and chopping up 60 guys all by yourself.
They added guns, but I don't feel like they are OP. Even though they do a lot of damage if you actually manage to hit someone, they take like 10 seconds to reload.
I pre-ordered it during the sale, and me and my friends love it. I recommend it to anyone who enjoys mount and blade.
Yea, I also preordered it and have really enjoyed it so far. It's a lot more challenging than the previous games; and I wouldn't say that those were easy either.
Guns aren't OP, they do just about the amount of damage you'd expect from them . However, I would say that it can make the game a bit frustrating if someone just gets a lucky headshot on you from miles away and your AI buddies aren't really up to the task of winning by themselves.
It's a shame there isn't an option to switch control to one of your party, after you die. Although maybe that would remove some of the challenge..
On May 07 2011 10:08 floor exercise wrote: Anyone who doesn't own Warband yet (aka noobs) you can get it from direct2drive for 5.99, and if you google a tellapal referral link you can even get 15% of that if you are super cheap, making it just over 5 bux
Thanks for the tip! Do you think it's fine for someone who hasn't played the vanilla M&B to jump into Warband? And is there any point in playing the vanilla if I buy Warband?
Actually i think warbands is a much better and improved version of vanilla. So i would actually recommend just skipping vanilla alltogether since this game dosen't really revolve around story and its simple to learn.
Also you should try out some mods since they make the game way better imo. Think the one i use is called diplomacy and conquest, it adds alot diffrent things to the game making it much better.
I love Mount and Blade: Warband, I bought it really cheap off Steam based on a recommendation from some friends, and for the amount of game time I've thus far received, it could actually be one of the most cost effective purchases I've made to date.
However, I have to say that I didn't really like playing the single player portion of the game as I didnt really know what I was supposed to be doing at any point. Although, im pretty sure i was just doing it wrong.
The real great thing about MB:WB is the multiplayer content in my opinion and is what I've spent most of my time doing. Just debating whether or not to get Fire and Sword now though, or wait until the price drops.
On May 09 2011 01:25 Oneoldfogie wrote: I love Mount and Blade: Warband, I bought it really cheap off Steam based on a recommendation from some friends, and for the amount of game time I've thus far received, it could actually be one of the most cost effective purchases I've made to date.
However, I have to say that I didn't really like playing the single player portion of the game as I didnt really know what I was supposed to be doing at any point. Although, im pretty sure i was just doing it wrong.
The real great thing about MB:WB is the multiplayer content in my opinion and is what I've spent most of my time doing. Just debating whether or not to get Fire and Sword now though, or wait until the price drops.
basically don't need the vanilla if you have warband, since warband has the single player component intact as well as the multiplayer.
On May 09 2011 00:53 RoosterSamurai wrote: Have any of you guys checked out With Fire and Sword? It's a great addition to the Mount and Blade franchise. I feel like it's added a level of strategy to the game, instead of just getting to level 25 and chopping up 60 guys all by yourself.
They added guns, but I don't feel like they are OP. Even though they do a lot of damage if you actually manage to hit someone, they take like 10 seconds to reload.
I pre-ordered it during the sale, and me and my friends love it. I recommend it to anyone who enjoys mount and blade.
Yea, I also preordered it and have really enjoyed it so far. It's a lot more challenging than the previous games; and I wouldn't say that those were easy either.
Guns aren't OP, they do just about the amount of damage you'd expect from them . However, I would say that it can make the game a bit frustrating if someone just gets a lucky headshot on you from miles away and your AI buddies aren't really up to the task of winning by themselves.
It's a shame there isn't an option to switch control to one of your party, after you die. Although maybe that would remove some of the challenge..
I think the missing real levelling of your troops (except for the veteran thing) really hurts gameplay. Also, in warband i loved forming my own faction after a while and making my heroes vassals, but now it doesn't seem possible. The city upgrading is tedious, too. It's also quite annoying that on many castles, your troops stop on the top of the ladder and don't move further in, even if there is no enemy on the other side, so you have to get a good engineer to be able to blow up the walls to capture those castles, even if you have far more troops.
I think fire and sword will be a nice game after the modders get their hands on it or the developers fix the problems, but currently it's fun in the first hours but when it gets to sieging castles, owning cities, etc. it is worse than warband.
would you recommend the game for online only? basically i downloaded the demos and i dont really understand what i have to do (quest : kill the looters! -> attack -> kill 5 looters -> money. next quest : kill the looters in the hidout -> i die ) but i like the combat :D
On May 12 2011 18:18 Caryc wrote: would you recommend the game for online only? basically i downloaded the demos and i dont really understand what i have to do (quest : kill the looters! -> attack -> kill 5 looters -> money. next quest : kill the looters in the hidout -> i die ) but i like the combat :D
Only played F&S in multiplayer, but it was quite fun, though there were a ton of annoying people. That included extremely racist chat, people standing on the ladders and blocking their own team from getting up to people buying grenades just to teamkill half their team at the start of the round.
I think it could be a lot of fun with a good team though.
anyone remember that ownage mod for the original M&B called expanded gameplay? I recently got warband but vanilla is getting awfully boring... anyone know of a mod similar to expanded gameplay?
I actually enjoy the use of guns for combat, i hate the multiplayer aspect of m+b so i am only playing the singleplayer but now you have to actually have some "cannon fodder" whereas before you could just get knights and the archers did 0 damage (or so it felt). Although getting headshoted is fairly annoying you can avoid that by you know, standing behind your troops.
On May 12 2011 18:18 Caryc wrote: would you recommend the game for online only? basically i downloaded the demos and i dont really understand what i have to do (quest : kill the looters! -> attack -> kill 5 looters -> money. next quest : kill the looters in the hidout -> i die ) but i like the combat :D
i only play online. tried the single player and it was just too slow paced for how much time i have available to game. online play depends heavily on servers and the mode that you play. seems like there are far more EU servers than NA, though there are a few staple ones in NA that i frequent. i'd really only use the single player to brush up on basic combat before going into multiplayer, because the AI is really just too poor to pose a real challenge unless they mob you.
Floris is alright but there's so much going on that it becomes very unstable.
I think the best mod is Prophesy of Pendor. It's really difficult, but it's almost like a completely new game. It's basically what F&S should have been content wise.
I feel for people who bought F&S over Warband if they don't already have it. It's such a huge step back, kinda shameful for Taleworlds to even sell it the way it is. The first time you take a bullet to the face seconds into a siege is funny but then it just gets tiresome.
God quests are so pointlessly impossible tasks early on so I've never done anything interesting. 'Go conquer XyZ, but watch out, they have 5x 150 fully upgraded stacks'. So wtf do I do early on to amass a big army?
Prophesy of Pendor is sooo good. Don't play it on easymode or it'll spoil your experience for sure. But then again, new players might be devastated by the butt rape that is to come from PoP.
On May 16 2011 18:24 Dead9 wrote: Sending trade caravans gets you a ridiculous amount of money really easily
On May 16 2011 18:35 DarKcS wrote: Yeah but I don't understand the feature..
Get trade skill (or part member w/trade skill).
go to town/fort/city
go to market
hit the top option about finding prices
find the biggest profit
go to mayor
say you want to send caravan to that city of the profitable goods
escort the caravan there
100k
The funny/trick part is this, the mayor won't let you send a caravan of a good that the city doesn't have, but all you have to do is collect one item each of the most profitable goods (spice, velvet), sell it to the mechant, then send the 40 unit caravan, then buy your "seed item" back....seems kind of like an exploit but it works.
Single player in native vanilla/WB is pretty fun the first time. I'd suggest players to try a mod like PoP or Bryten-thingy which are both really great fun and are more challenging and rewarding.
I'll probably just play M&B and SC2 until 11-11-11 when the new Elder Scrolls comes out.
how many of you guys play online, and which servers do you usually play in (game type/name)?? thinking a few TLers can get together and play sometime.
i'm usually in the GK siege servers or some random TDM servers for practice - all located in NA for good ping. play with several names, so perhaps we may have run into each other at some point... Count_Grackalacken, Matome_Mondai, MisterFister69 (lol). -- i'm pretty certain there was an instance where i saw someone named LiquidTLO... of course not the man himself but i remember chatting about sc2 with the person in question.
Okay, gonna be my first TL bump, but I have a serious question:
I'm looking to buy this game, but should I just nix that altogether and get Warband instead? I have no interest in multiplayer, and I can't really tell if there's a difference in the single player from most of the reviews I'm reading.
On May 04 2012 09:22 Kimaker wrote: Okay, gonna be my first TL bump, but I have a serious question:
I'm looking to buy this game, but should I just nix that altogether and get Warband instead? I have no interest in multiplayer, and I can't really tell if there's a difference in the single player from most of the reviews I'm reading.
Buy Warband and definitely check out the mods for it on the TaleWorld forums. I've always been a fan of the simple, yet delightful Native Expansion mod.
I'm having problems with playing in offline mode now. I've checked for fixes, but everyone just says to enable cheats to circumvent the issue. Doing this however, I still get the same error message. The game won't even launch.
I bought warband about a month and I can confidently say that it is one of the best sandbox experiences I have ever had. Such a brilliant design, but the mods really make it interesting. I would reccomend Native expansion if you're starting out, it's basically the same as vanilla with some very nice new features. Prophecy of Pendor is a good mod but it is devilishly hard, suddenly your early game weapons do nothing to anyone and they just stab you in the face and you die again and again and again, good fun though.
On the very first quest in PoP (saving the brother) I had to shoot the bandit hideout chief like 4 times in the face with a crossbow before he went down, he cut down like 16 of my boys, it was brilliant.
Glad to see a M&B thread here. I've been playing on/off since 2007 and have now fallen in love with cRPG, the online mod where you build up a persistent character.
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