The Elephant in the Room - Page 210

On December 26 2011 03:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:


That's great. If you hate something, try not to become that something.

On December 26 2011 04:49 ChoboKal wrote:
Day 9 just did a daily that talked about game design and explained why broodwar is so different. I have never played broodwar really (maybe 5 tiems). But the way he explains it better unit control can increase the effectiveness of you units by multipliers of like 3-9x eg. good muta control can increase their effectiveness by 9x. Where as in SC2 good unit control can maybe increase the effectiveness by mabye 1.5x. He says that is why it is so much harder. He goes on to explain that blizzards only way to make the game harder is to make maps and things bigger or give more reasons to target fire and such ( I didn't really understand that part that well). Any ways if you enjoy playing/watching SC2 thats good but it should become issue if its "hard enough" because the skill ceiling has not been hit yet.

I doubt most people favor a real sport eg. soccer, baseball, basket ball because they believe it is the harder sport.

On December 26 2011 21:57 VTPerfect wrote:
cause all the sc1 "bonjwas" are just so incredibly super human and good and above the level of normal human and gifted and great and will be the best at every game they play because they are super human. I've watched Vods, they are good at RTS in general and really great at the specific skillsets of Sc1. Are they going to own Sc2? probably won't ever. Sc1 Kors were king because they hid their playstyle and replays between themselves while everyone else had to watch 2-3 year old games. can you even imagine Stephano trying to compete in GSL 2012 if his only information resource is GSL Open season 1 games and can only practice with others with the same resources?

To some extent this is happening but both sides are doing it and neither side has a skill advantage. That said going to GSL to compete would still be alot of fun and worthwhile especially fighting to keep your Code S salary. But its simply not the "best" in alot of respects and most people don't expect these players to dominate tournaments they enter anymore either.

On December 26 2011 21:57 VTPerfect wrote:
cause all the sc1 "bonjwas" are just so incredibly super human and good and above the level of normal human and gifted and great and will be the best at every game they play because they are super human. I've watched Vods, they are good at RTS in general and really great at the specific skillsets of Sc1. Are they going to own Sc2? probably won't ever. Sc1 Kors were king because they hid their playstyle and replays between themselves while everyone else had to watch 2-3 year old games. can you even imagine Stephano trying to compete in GSL 2012 if his only information resource is GSL Open season 1 games and can only practice with others with the same resources?

To some extent this is happening but both sides are doing it and neither side has a skill advantage. That said going to GSL to compete would still be alot of fun and worthwhile especially fighting to keep your Code S salary. But its simply not the "best" in alot of respects and most people don't expect these players to dominate tournaments they enter anymore either.

On December 27 2011 02:22 therockmanxx wrote:


In BW you actually MICRO ur units so they take down the biggest threat to give you a advantage during battle
Snipe shuttle, reaver, defiler, science vessels, arbiters, lukers, tanks, HT can change the entire battle.

In SC2 deathball kill smaller deathball. GG
The last part is a joke of course well.... maybe 30% true....

On December 26 2011 21:57 VTPerfect wrote:
cause all the sc1 "bonjwas" are just so incredibly super human and good and above the level of normal human and gifted and great and will be the best at every game they play because they are super human. I've watched Vods, they are good at RTS in general and really great at the specific skillsets of Sc1. Are they going to own Sc2? probably won't ever. Sc1 Kors were king because they hid their playstyle and replays between themselves while everyone else had to watch 2-3 year old games. can you even imagine Stephano trying to compete in GSL 2012 if his only information resource is GSL Open season 1 games and can only practice with others with the same resources?

To some extent this is happening but both sides are doing it and neither side has a skill advantage. That said going to GSL to compete would still be alot of fun and worthwhile especially fighting to keep your Code S salary. But its simply not the "best" in alot of respects and most people don't expect these players to dominate tournaments they enter anymore either.

On December 27 2011 04:29 Big J wrote:

So... this the kind of post that makes people get so mad about this topic and forces comments like:"because 500apm to control a single unit indicates good game design"(not my opinion... mine would be l2p and you will find out that there are no such things like deathballs in sc2)

On December 27 2011 04:29 Big J wrote:

So... this the kind of post that makes people get so mad about this topic and forces comments like:"because 500apm to control a single unit indicates good game design"(not my opinion... mine would be l2p and you will find out that there are no such things like deathballs in sc2)

On December 27 2011 04:29 Big J wrote:

So... this the kind of post that makes people get so mad about this topic and forces comments like:"because 500apm to control a single unit indicates good game design"(not my opinion... mine would be l2p and you will find out that there are no such things like deathballs in sc2)

On December 26 2011 21:57 VTPerfect wrote:
cause all the sc1 "bonjwas" are just so incredibly super human and good and above the level of normal human and gifted and great and will be the best at every game they play because they are super human. I've watched Vods, they are good at RTS in general and really great at the specific skillsets of Sc1. Are they going to own Sc2? probably won't ever. Sc1 Kors were king because they hid their playstyle and replays between themselves while everyone else had to watch 2-3 year old games. can you even imagine Stephano trying to compete in GSL 2012 if his only information resource is GSL Open season 1 games and can only practice with others with the same resources?

To some extent this is happening but both sides are doing it and neither side has a skill advantage. That said going to GSL to compete would still be alot of fun and worthwhile especially fighting to keep your Code S salary. But its simply not the "best" in alot of respects and most people don't expect these players to dominate tournaments they enter anymore either.

On December 27 2011 04:12 SagaZ wrote:
People should really read the article before postiing, and try to understand it. It is true that some thing are not said in a very gentle way but the underlining argument is present. Also the discution being side tracked by all the trolls is a bit anoying.

The argument here is, the competition of this new game is a farce because it has been proven in the other game that there are alot of players alot better than these guys.

On December 27 2011 05:08 darthfoley wrote:
why is this fucking thread still open. all it is, is BW nostaligic people telling sc2 fans how shitty and skill less their game is, and sc2 fans scoffing at the notion that BW took more APM/practice.

jesus christ you guys are piss me the fuck off.

On December 27 2011 05:08 darthfoley wrote:
why is this fucking thread still open. all it is, is BW nostaligic people telling sc2 fans how shitty and skill less their game is, and sc2 fans scoffing at the notion that BW took more APM/practice.

jesus christ you guys are piss me the fuck off.

On December 27 2011 04:29 Big J wrote:

So... this the kind of post that makes people get so mad about this topic and forces comments like:"because 500apm to control a single unit indicates good game design"(not my opinion... mine would be l2p and you will find out that there are no such things like deathballs in sc2)