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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13430 Posts
Ha, yes. I think this was about every Swedish fan after today’s result: http://78.media.tumblr.com/7174327e4f44a89bba638b5a35d80636/tumblr_mxeo1bfj7y1ri64wbo1_250.gif | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6303 Posts
On June 28 2018 04:25 Seeker wrote: I don't really follow football much so I would appreciate any answers. A lot of people seem to be happy that Germany has been eliminated. Are they a globally hated team or something? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Netherlands_football_rivalry Read that to know about the Dutch-German rivalry. Hatred for Germany used to run pretty deep. It's much more friendly now though. Still it's always glorious when Germany loses. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
On June 28 2018 13:54 RvB wrote: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Netherlands_football_rivalry Read that to know about the Dutch-German rivalry. Hatred for Germany used to run pretty deep. It's much more friendly now though. Still it's always glorious when Germany loses. I always cheer for the Dutch after Germany gets eliminated, and I know plenty of Germans who do as well... Clearly cheering for you is a little bit difficult this WC. So I'll go with Belgium. I just like my neighboors. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
on the other hand, all 3 of our goals came in the 90+ minutes. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18713 Posts
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On June 28 2018 08:45 Stratos_speAr wrote: Germany has more semifinal appearances than any other team and the 2nd most WC appearances in the world. They have the tied-2nd most WC wins ever and the tied most EURO wins ever. Even if they've only won one tournament recently, they consistently perform extremely well and always make deep runs in tournaments. So yes, they're a very successful team. No it wouldn't. Low isn't a good manager. People have been saying this for years. Where's Sneirac? Pretty sure he tried to shoot me down when I mentioned this after the first game. Low has been perpetually criticized for getting less out of the roster that he had than he could. I dare say that Germany won 2014 in spite of him. He is entirely too rigid, plays favorites far too much, and is a poor judge of overall quality. He needed to be gone after EURO16. He really needs to be gone now. If they don't replace him before EURO20, then Germany deserves the trash performance that they're going to put in. 100% agree, he needs to go. It's sad to see that this is even discussed. Grindel, DFB president said that they trust in Löw to rebuild the team since he has proven that he can form a team out of newcomers in the confed cup. This is totally ridiculous. I don't want to take anything away from those young players of course but after all it was just the confed cup. But thats typical DFB, they're gonna crawl each others bellys again and not fire Löw. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18713 Posts
If he sticks to the under-performers he needs to go | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4015 Posts
On June 28 2018 15:46 Malinor wrote: I always cheer for the Dutch after Germany gets eliminated, and I know plenty of Germans who do as well... Clearly cheering for you is a little bit difficult this WC. So I'll go with Belgium. I just like my neighboors. I think that this generation, it’s the other way around as well. Plenty of Dutch people like the German team, particularly since their playstyle has become more attractive. Although more people will support Belgium, becuause they are like brothers to us, the rivalry is mostly dead. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18393 Posts
On June 28 2018 18:53 aseq wrote: I think that this generation, it’s the other way around as well. Plenty of Dutch people like the German team, particularly since their playstyle has become more attractive. Although more people will support Belgium, becuause they are like brothers to us, the rivalry is mostly dead. Most of our generation don't have parents who lived through the second world war (and some don't even have grandparents that live through it), and they themselves didn't live through the WC 1974 final. Hell, I can only vaguely remember the infamous 1990 match. That was the last time tensions really flared during a NL-DE match, although even to this day I feel NL-DE is a special match, and winning it is almost as good as winning the cup at the end (which we never do anyway, so we have to settle for the small victories  ). That said, when we aren't actually playing against Germany, I can appreciate their style and have enjoyed watching the Mannschaft over the last 10 years or so: they played attractive football. This world cup was a disaster, tho, with thoroughly unattractive and uninspired footie, so I was happy to root against the Germans. And even though I like watching Germany play, I also enjoy cheering against them. There's that little bit of rivalry there. And it goes both ways: my German friends make fun of me for not even making it to the tournament. They will happily admit they like to see Oranje play, but also enjoy making fun of us for failing miserably.As for cheering against Germany in general, because Germany always gets far, they have doled out their fair share of humiliating defeats. The English are still sore for 2010. Brazilians obviously for 2014, and I'm sure every footballing nation can think of that one match they were either completely wrecked or beaten "unfairly" by Germany. So seeing them humiliated gives some satisfaction in that sense. And it's also a bit of a sense of justice. Germany didn't "deserve" to beat Sweden, but they had Kroos deliver a miracle goal. Them pulling off a similar stunt to knock Mexico out of the cup would have been undeserved (despite Mexico looking bad, and based on the final match vs Sweden also not deserving to advance, but at least they looked good in 1 match, and okayish in another, whereas Germany just looked awful in all 3). | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On June 28 2018 18:36 sharkie wrote: Who is we, don? :D South Korea | ||
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sharkie
Austria18713 Posts
Thats why they celebrated so highly  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18393 Posts
On June 28 2018 21:47 sharkie wrote: I just read Korean players believed that they were going to advance with the win over Germany. Thats why they celebrated so highly Poor guys. Kinda weird tho. They should have known there was only ever a very slim chance of them advancing. At half time it was still 0-0, which would still have had them out, even with a win. Did someone lie to them and tell them Mexico had scored and was ahead? | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On June 28 2018 08:45 Stratos_speAr wrote: Germany has more semifinal appearances than any other team and the 2nd most WC appearances in the world. They have the tied-2nd most WC wins ever and the tied most EURO wins ever. Even if they've only won one tournament recently, they consistently perform extremely well and always make deep runs in tournaments. So yes, they're a very successful team. No it wouldn't. Low isn't a good manager. People have been saying this for years. Where's Sneirac? Pretty sure he tried to shoot me down when I mentioned this after the first game. Low has been perpetually criticized for getting less out of the roster that he had than he could. I dare say that Germany won 2014 in spite of him. He is entirely too rigid, plays favorites far too much, and is a poor judge of overall quality. He needed to be gone after EURO16. He really needs to be gone now. If they don't replace him before EURO20, then Germany deserves the trash performance that they're going to put in. Seriously, can uneducated people stop coming in here, claiming Löw somehow managed to bring out the best in all of the talent he's got available? Even the system he's still working with was put in place by Klinsmann. Löw time and again has proven to make irrational squad choices, obviously weighing asslickers like Gomez above talent and hunger. Özil and Gündogan should've been left at home, for political reasons alone. You just can't play on the national team and a few weeks before the world cup you go to Turkeys president, shake his hand and hand him jerseys signed "to my president". You could pretend there has never been any question about German-Turkish descendants loyalty towards the country they were born in, but when with every referendum Erdogan holds it comes more and more apparent, they are not only not loyal to Germany but prefer endorsing a guy who turns Turkey into a totalitarian state. 66% of all votes in Germany went to Erdogan and these are people who've been either living here for decades or, and this is the vast majority, were born in Germany and apart from holidays haven't spent a single second in Turkey. Am I to believe Özil and Gündogan are that dumb, they just could not see the controversy? Sports are supposed to be apolitical for a reason, but they asked for it and they made it a political question if you could still include them in the squad. Whether they knew what they did right there or not, it was up to Löw to clear this up and he did not. Playing for the national team means way more responsibility than just your club, you represent the country and this WC Germany has been represented very poorly with Özil+Gündogan starting it off, the laughable performances to follow and the embarrassing behaviour of officials after the Sweden game. Löw not resigning immediately is just another mockery of the "in crowd" which called for him to either change up the system he goes by to pick the squad or resign. If there wouldn't have been an insane influx of new "fans" in 2006, Löw would've been out long ago. But considering this, you just have to look at this thread, he has an army of loyalists who attribute the success to him, while for everyone who plays football, follows it more often than once every 2 years and thus has more knowledge than you could ever get from listening to Bela Rethys shit commentary for 6 or 7 games, it is clear as day it's just the extremely good quality of a playerbase Germany has nowadays after so severely falling behind the other great fotballing nations for 10 years after 1996. Löw is not a good coach, he just got a golden generation to work with and managed to get one title only over the span of 10 years. Nobody gives a fuck about King Fahd Cup. To top it off, there's this dude who says Germany isn't a successful team, like what? What's the French team then, amateur level? Müller just came out, saying "outside factors contributed heavily to lack of team atmosphere". Let's guess, which could've been the single most important outside factor? Maybe two dudes stirring up shit 4 weeks before the tournament sets off? What kind of manager are you, if you do not punish this behaviour and rather encourage it by still supporting them. Official stance of the teams management was "oh, they acted foolishly, let's just not talk about it anymore". Good fucking signal to all the other players who keep their urges and patriotic feelings (towards another country) in check to not put even more stress on the team. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16085 Posts
On June 28 2018 22:34 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Seriously, can uneducated people stop coming in here, Özil and Gündogan should've been left at home, for political reasons alone. ...no words | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
On June 28 2018 21:50 Acrofales wrote: Poor guys. Kinda weird tho. They should have known there was only ever a very slim chance of them advancing. At half time it was still 0-0, which would still have had them out, even with a win. Did someone lie to them and tell them Mexico had scored and was ahead? i think most koreans were expecting mexico to win, myself included. the players probably thought the same, that at some point mexico would find a goal and lead. doesnt make sense for coaching staff to tell players in the middle of the game that their hopes have been destroyed and so theres no point beating germany anyway. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
The viewers and the casters already knew that the score was 3-0 Sweden, and that Korea is out no matter what. We were just happy and celebrating that we beat Germany, but if the players celebrated because they actually thought that they made it to the ro16, well then that's kind of unfortunate. Still, they should be incredibly proud for finishing strong after 2 disastrous games. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 29 2018 13:51 don_kyuhote wrote: It would have been a different game had Mexico been leading against Sweden; then Germany would not have had to go all-out for the win, since a draw with South Korea would be enough. Sweden winning against Mexico definitely had an effect in Kor-Ger game, since it forced Germany to go for the win, which then gave South Korea chances in the counter-attack. There is no way this Korean offense can score against Germany if Germany was content with 0-0 draw. Germany should've been able to score even if they were satisfied with a draw, but yes, Mexico losing 3-0 to Sweden was completely out there. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7326 Posts
On June 28 2018 23:14 TheNewEra wrote: to the Löw out guys: any favourites you have for the job? Media says favorites are: Matthias Sammer (DFB Manager) Stefan Kuntz (DFB U21 Coach) Miro Klose (at least he knows how to score goals ^^) . . . Kloppo Julian Nagelsmann | ||
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