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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
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VioleTAK
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Can really tell he's so young. | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
Show young players that in the game which is 10years old, where are lots of experienced players, impossible is nothing ! | ||
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lostman
194 Posts
On June 30 2007 09:25 LosingID8 wrote: i thought about that too, but i thought that flash would still live at home considering the age gap between him and the other players and the fact that he still attends school. but thinking about it again, you're probably right. I think waiting room is right because when flash won he walked into the waiting room and Reach was there to congratulate him (though it looked more like he was giving him advice or something). | ||
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DennizR
Sweden653 Posts
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
On June 29 2007 22:47 WhatisProtoss wrote: He has a 14-2 record as of 2007. How much more consistent do you want him to get? What's the difference between battlenet and Starleague? Because you mention it, the commentators also talked about bnet vs televised games. Some progamers get nervous and make simple mistakes that they would not make on private games in bnet. So, progamers often show better quality games on battlenet than they would on TV. He has won some marathon games, yet all you can think about are the few cheeses that he has made. I haven't seen many games of him yet (4 or 5), but what I have seen was either "bad" or unspectacular. And by consistent I mean he has to be good for ~1 year or so. 16 games with 14 wins isn't exactly enough for me to call him one of the elite.  The win ratio is of course excellent but only 16 games...In 2006 I haven't heard of him at all. And yes, pro gamers can execute cheeses usually better/faster, but it's still lame/boring for viewers like me. Maybe my opinion of Flash changes as I see more games, but for now, it is like that. I think he just had too much luck. Can't respect him yet. The current "hype" around him only adds to that. | ||
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pfvoid
Korea (South)48 Posts
On June 30 2007 13:32 lostman wrote: I think waiting room is right because when flash won he walked into the waiting room and Reach was there to congratulate him (though it looked more like he was giving him advice or something). It's not an important thing, but I'll tell you what i know. All progamers lives together. There is no exception. If one lives out of dorm, that means he has some troubles in team. Or... If 2 teammates should match in semi or final like FBH and stork they practice in other places and leave dorm temporarily. Though Flash is just a middle school student, he also live in dorm and he goes to school there. As you know, the progamers sleep, eat, and play games together, they are something like a family. So age difference is not a big problem. Well, Flash's comment is that because he(Reach) is my roommate, he will congratulate me more. (even though he is eliminated) See this ^^; Title is "roommates advanced to final 8 together" http://sports.chosun.com/news/news.htm?name=/news/entertainment/200706/20070618/76r24005.htm | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
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oshibori_probe
United States2937 Posts
Bisu beat savior with 1 build that he practiced alot, hmmmm sounds like savior. He still plays the same! Flash comes in, reads Bisu's style like a book game1, takes it 2-0. Btw note that bisu was also "cheesing" on monty hall, that was luck of the draw for flash, and luck plays a BIG part in bw on a map like monty hall (look at bisu's little controversial move, taking a map and winning 3-2). Nobody ripped on Pusan for doing "cheesey" play all 3 games vs midas in their OSL quarterfinal, why? because he lost a map out of luck. So why should flash take such heat because the luck was on his side. Also the fact that bisu didnt do a double nexus build shows how flash rattled him, and bisu needed to cheese cause flash is probably the most dangerous terran bisu has faced this year. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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fragbait
Germany19 Posts
#2: Short games aren't boring. Boxer's first SCV-rush against Yellow ('cheese' again?) was anything but boring, it was thrilling. Bisu's perfect DC/Corsair build order vs. Savior? Oh, come on. #3: There will always be fanboys or -girls. Talking down a player because he won against your favorite is childish. So far, By.Flash has presented some great results. I'm looking forward to see more matches of him, I think he's fun to watch. Greetings, Fragbait | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Klaz
Ireland334 Posts
In game 1 he SAW two scv's blocking the ramp but expanded anyway. In game 2 he was "cheesing" (proxy pylon --> robo bay etc) so didn't feel he needed to scout early as much since he wasn't expanding anyway, unfortunately for him, flash's cheese strategy was superior. As has been pointed out a single pylon at each min line woulda detected anyone trying to break through and he coulda stopped it easily. Also he had a probe there after flash broke through initially that didn't die, why didn't he build a pyon to block re-enforcements? I enjoy "cheese" when it's done well. I guess it's an unfair label but in of itself it doesn't mean anything to me. It's all about how you execute it and who against. The fact that flash went for it in such big games vs such a good player and triumphed says a lot about him. Bisu messed up both times, and paid the price for it, he can blame no one but himself. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
My point, however, still stands. Not everything is scoutable within reasonable conditions, especially on Monty Hall. Hopping a worker on all three lanes to scout the multitude of possible positions each of the lanes has to hide buildings cannot be considered reasonable. And the claim that he should have built pylons at all three mineral entrances to see if anything is happening there is complete nonsense, because by the time Flash finished mining the mineral block away Bisu's build required only two pylons and of those two one was proxied near Flash's base. Please think... | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Klaz
Ireland334 Posts
On July 05 2007 13:36 Carnac wrote: I wasn't talking specifically about the Bisu vs Flash game and was in no way saying that Bisu has anyone else than himself to blame or anything like it. My point, however, still stands. Not everything is scoutable within reasonable conditions, especially on Monty Hall. Hopping a worker on all three lanes to scout the multitude of possible positions each of the lanes has to hide buildings cannot be considered reasonable. And the claim that he should have built pylons at all three mineral entrances to see if anything is happening there is complete nonsense, because by the time Flash finished mining the mineral block away Bisu's build required only two pylons and of those two one was proxied near Flash's base. Please think... good point, monty hall is lame though  And ya gorush losing to bisu on monty hall because of cannon rush against which he could do nothing is definately something that can be counted as a clear example of "bad cheese" but I think again that's the map's fault more than anything else. I guess we can say that cheese is fine on balanced maps but sucks on monty hall, but it goes and comes around as it happened to bisu, he cheesed gorush and got cheesed by flash. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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rest_less
Germany142 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
On July 07 2007 10:55 il0seonpurpose wrote: What's wrong with cheese, if it works and will get you a win, why not do it? Cause it's sometimes retarded to watch | ||
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