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On July 24 2017 09:13 Vutalisk wrote:
Zest won 2 oversea tournaments. I hope that will cheer him up and give him a boost of mentality. Hopefully he will do well next year. This year is basically over for him.
He still has SSL challenge, GSL ST, and online events like ShoutCraft. Hopefully he can pick it up for WeSG seeing how Blizzcons out of the picture
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On July 24 2017 09:18 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 09:13 Vutalisk wrote:
Zest won 2 oversea tournaments. I hope that will cheer him up and give him a boost of mentality. Hopefully he will do well next year. This year is basically over for him. He still has SSL challenge, GSL ST, and online events like ShoutCraft. Hopefully he can pick it up for WeSG seeing how Blizzcons out of the picture
I meant offline WCS-point events. I guess there is still GSL ST2. Will see if he qualifies for it.
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Zest did something today that only a few players could have done. He is back to being a world class player.
The gap between the best Korean players and the best European players have obviously not narrowed. A tournament of 29 European players and only 3 Koreans ends with 2 Koreans in the finals.
Zest even at his lowest point was at a level comparable to Showtime and Drogo. Today he was the best Protoss in the world.
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I wouldn't go that far, but Zest definitely stepped up his game this weekend.
Ha had good builds, classic Zest macro and decent control, reminiscent of the old Zest but still not there yet...
Maybe in the next few months his practice will finally pay off and next year he can dominate like he used to
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On July 24 2017 17:28 Sakat wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, but Zest definitely stepped up his game this weekend.
Ha had good builds, classic Zest macro and decent control, reminiscent of the old Zest but still not there yet...
Maybe in the next few months his practice will finally pay off and next year he can dominate like he used to
I think he is still making too much bad decision like engaging the oponent while there is no need to do it. But at least the macro seem to be back. Maybe also some lack of micro during big engagment.
We will see. It's sad that there is not much tournament for him in the coming time.
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On July 24 2017 17:43 Plopus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 17:28 Sakat wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, but Zest definitely stepped up his game this weekend.
Ha had good builds, classic Zest macro and decent control, reminiscent of the old Zest but still not there yet...
Maybe in the next few months his practice will finally pay off and next year he can dominate like he used to I think he is still making too much bad decision like engaging the oponent while there is no need to do it. But at least the macro seem to be back. Maybe also some lack of micro during big engagment. We will see. It's sad that there is not much tournament for him in the coming time.
Yes, I find it so weird that his decision-making is lacking now, when it used to be his biggest strengt
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I wouldn't say his decision-making is lacking all the way though. Like in that Ascension to Aiur game against Gumiho when things got scrappy, every decision he made was the right one.
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Yeah he improved the longer the tournament went. What I hear from the foreign players he practiced a lot with them there, maybe that helped. His decisionmaking at the end was really solid, his control was good. He just tends to forget 1-2 warpins and adds gates a bit late. Some of the games he forgot a second forge too, but against ByuN he didn't. Overall huge improvement and quite comfortable at the end. Never really looked like he was gonna lose to ByuN.
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How many players could have done what Zest did yesterday? Innovation might not have done what Zest did because he sometimes has problems in TvT matchups and has lost to lessor Terrans than the 2 Zest beat.
Innovation lost to TY and Alive in the round of 16 in GSL season 2. He lost to Alive 3-0 in Super tournament.
Zest has had trouble with Terrans all year long and here was a tournament where he went 5-0 against Terrans. Byun had only lost one map before playing Zest and Zest beat him handily.
Not bad for a guy with bad decision making. Come on!
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I won't comment on this too much because it would be rather negative.
Still nice that Zest won the whole thing, especially because he had to beat byun and gumiho. There is hope, too bad he cannot show us anything in gsl :/
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On July 24 2017 20:45 Rolltide wrote:
How many players could have done what Zest did yesterday? Innovation might not have done what Zest did because he sometimes has problems in TvT matchups and has lost to lessor Terrans than the 2 Zest beat.
Innovation lost to TY and Alive in the round of 16 in GSL season 2. He lost to Alive 3-0 in Super tournament.
Zest has had trouble with Terrans all year long and here was a tournament where he went 5-0 against Terrans. Byun had only lost one map before playing Zest and Zest beat him handily.
Not bad for a guy with bad decision making. Come on!
I didn't say it was bad, just that it wasn't as good as it used to be.
I remeber 2014 Zest like it was yesterday and that guy didn't make a single wrong decision. It was up to others to make better calls and only very very few could.
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YOOO ZESTUUU gj wp ggs! :D
Zest back being the Best
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You can download the vods from the tournament and watch them as part of your Starcraft 2 replays. You need an app to unpack the RAR file but that is free and installs in a minute.
HSCXV Replay Pack. You get all the games from the round of 16 to the final.
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I just watched game 4 vs Gumiho on Sequencer which was the game that turned it around for Zest.
17 minute game. It was basically even when Zest moved out with his army that included 4 Colossus and 2 Immortals with Gateway units. Gumiho had the edge in army supply and Zest had about 10 more workers.
Zest who under estimated Gumiho's army got over aggressive in a push and lost everything. Zest still had an army back home but army supply at this point was 2-1 Gumiho.
This is where Zest's preparation and genius kicks in. He had a pylon in the top left corner and warped in about 7-8 Adepts and attacked Gumiho's 4th base killing about 15 workers. Remember Zest already had a nice worker lead. Now he is up about 25 workers and a base 4-3. Zest continues to attack Gumiho's economy running some more Adepts into his natural and killing a few more workers. At this point Gumiho's main is mined out.
Now while Zest is doing this he is making more probes and getting a 5th base. Gumiho takes his army and runs it up looking for a way to break Zest down or take out a base and realizes Zest has as much or more than he does.
The final straw comes when Zest warps in a DT shutting down Gumiho's attempt to get that 4th base productive again.
When Gumiho GGs Zest is up 2 bases(5-3) and 70-13 in workers.
The man turned a dire situation into an elite butt kicking against one of the best players in the world.
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This is why i love Zest. Such a unique style and alway capable of beating the biggest names. When on top he is unbeatable.
Perfect micro, weird fights with great outcome.
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On July 24 2017 20:36 Olli wrote:
Yeah he improved the longer the tournament went. What I hear from the foreign players he practiced a lot with them there, maybe that helped. His decisionmaking at the end was really solid, his control was good. He just tends to forget 1-2 warpins and adds gates a bit late. Some of the games he forgot a second forge too, but against ByuN he didn't. Overall huge improvement and quite comfortable at the end. Never really looked like he was gonna lose to ByuN.
Maybe he is just lacking some practise partners in Korea. That could explain his trouble figurine out the way matchups should be played. I really hope he will continue playing with this level. The games against ByuN and Gumiho were really good for him, especially since he was playing against high level terrans.
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On July 24 2017 22:46 Rolltide wrote:
I just watched game 4 vs Gumiho on Sequencer which was the game that turned it around for Zest.
Sequencer was literally the first game in the series.
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My mistake the 4th game was Ascension to Auir. That was the game where Gumiho tried to cheese with a proxy factory. He made a Cyclone, then put down a bunker and then sent a widow mine to Zest's natural. This would have been great for Gumiho except Zest had a pylon parked just outside Gumiho's natural and was doing some harassment of his own.
First Adepts, then DTs. Then Zest used a warp prisim to send about 8 Adepts into Gumiho's main. This was devastating since Gumiho never was mining from that natural. For about 5 minutes or almost half the game Zest had full saturation in his natural where Gumiho hardly got a thing from his.
The poise Zest showed when being attacked was amazing. He calmly got an observer and took out that widow mine after he wiped out the bunker. He very easily was able to clean up any attacks and drops by Gumiho.
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Too bad Zest was eliminated in the qualifier for Shanghai. He would have a chance to win that in his current form. The qualifier was June 29th.
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On July 24 2017 20:45 Rolltide wrote:
How many players could have done what Zest did yesterday? Innovation might not have done what Zest did because he sometimes has problems in TvT matchups and has lost to lessor Terrans than the 2 Zest beat.
Innovation lost to TY and Alive in the round of 16 in GSL season 2. He lost to Alive 3-0 in Super tournament.
Zest has had trouble with Terrans all year long and here was a tournament where he went 5-0 against Terrans. Byun had only lost one map before playing Zest and Zest beat him handily.
Not bad for a guy with bad decision making. Come on!
While seeing Zest making a comeback is definitely great news, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Winning HSC is very nice, but HSC is not GSL.
It's a real shame that Zest is too late to participate in most of the big tournaments now that he is back in form.
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