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Topin
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nerpderp
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On December 24 2014 12:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dont forget, everyone who's playing FPL, to join the "Scarlett fans" group. Cause right now The Templar is leading and my god are you gonna let that happen? Eh, bashing on him isn't as fun now that I know they're actually friends. | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On December 24 2014 09:22 Topin wrote: im watching her game vs TY ... she looked really good but TY was a beast... 3rd game in a sec She definitely could've won game 1 if she'd pulled her drones in time and walled off her front against the hellions. And then who knows what could've happened in Game 5? | ||
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Topin
Peru10093 Posts
On December 24 2014 12:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dont forget, everyone who's playing FPL, to join the "Scarlett fans" group. Cause right now The Templar is leading and my god are you gonna let that happen? where is the link to join the group ? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 24 2014 12:41 nerpderp wrote: She definitely could've won game 1 if she'd pulled her drones in time and walled off her front against the hellions. You could say that about like half of her ZvT's lately http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Standings.php?r=22&g=3742 | ||
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Topin
Peru10093 Posts
 still better than flash xD | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On December 24 2014 12:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: You could say that about like half of her ZvT's lately I actually think she's generally pretty good about hellion run-bys. I think it's more like she said in her interview ... straight up macro games are much harder than before the last patch, and she's not (yet) very good at all-inning, or following-up to all-inning. But unfortunately that's how zergs like Life are winning ZvT's these days, by being hyper aggressive and avoiding standard trading. It's a shame, since I think the last patch really stopped her momentum from the summer this year. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 24 2014 17:04 nerpderp wrote: I actually think she's generally pretty good about hellion run-bys. I think it's more like she said in her interview ... straight up macro games are much harder than before the last patch, and she's not (yet) very good at all-inning, or following-up to all-inning. But unfortunately that's how zergs like Life are winning ZvT's these days, by being hyper aggressive and avoiding standard trading. It's a shame, since I think the last patch really stopped her momentum from the summer this year. Idk, maybe I don't pay enough attention, but the few things I've noticed that seem to be killing her over and over in that matchup are 1. Hellion/Hellbat pushes she's unprepared for. 2. Drops that go unnoticed until too late. 3. Getting the 4th denied repeatedly Now, the same can be said for a lot of zergs, but that's just what I've noticed with her. | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On December 25 2014 01:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Idk, maybe I don't pay enough attention, but the few things I've noticed that seem to be killing her over and over in that matchup are 1. Hellion/Hellbat pushes she's unprepared for. 2. Drops that go unnoticed until too late. 3. Getting the 4th denied repeatedly Now, the same can be said for a lot of zergs, but that's just what I've noticed with her. That's true, but I think many of these things are the result of her having to generally re-figure the whole match out. Remember that once upon a time, ZvT was her best matchup by a mile. But when she can't play her standard late game like she's used to, it affects how she plays the rest of the game. That, and the map pool these past few seasons were very terran-favored (DAE those rocks on Foxtrot?). That being said, I don't think she should be losing to players like Kelazhur and Moosegills, so there definitely extenuating factors as well, like travel fatigue and general consistency. | ||
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icemanadu
New Zealand293 Posts
On December 25 2014 01:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Idk, maybe I don't pay enough attention, but the few things I've noticed that seem to be killing her over and over in that matchup are 1. Hellion/Hellbat pushes she's unprepared for. 2. Drops that go unnoticed until too late. 3. Getting the 4th denied repeatedly Now, the same can be said for a lot of zergs, but that's just what I've noticed with her. I certainly agree that her defense was better before but i think in the current ZvT only the aggresive zerg plays win the game. Terran is too mobile with drops and also too strong with frontal push, if you keep defending their economies are untouched and you will eventually loose. Look at life, he started playing very aggressive and wins it. I see it with others as well, greedy style seems to be over now, its all about aggression | ||
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xtorn
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On December 25 2014 06:26 icemanadu wrote: I certainly agree that her defense was better before but i think in the current ZvT only the aggresive zerg plays win the game. Terran is too mobile with drops and also too strong with frontal push, if you keep defending their economies are untouched and you will eventually loose. Look at life, he started playing very aggressive and wins it. I see it with others as well, greedy style seems to be over now, its all about aggression Well, yes and no. I would not take Life as the ultimate example to follow, he has this very unique extremely aggressive style that not even some kr pros understand, so that guy is really an exception. However, I have some replays from Hydra and tried to understand what does he do different, since he wins a lot vs T. So I watched those and tried to imagine what would Scarlett do instead, versus what he does different. And i could see a few differences with my limited experience (put down red carpet please, im rank 1 in abysmal league). Some are more subtle (like timing everything really good, like roaches pop exactly when the hellbats are knocking on natural's door, always blocks enemy 3rd with creep so that the cc cant land, such little things that help) but some are more obvious, like different build choices. So on bigger maps - 15 hatch, 15 pool, sometimes 15 hatch, 15gas, 15 pool (early speed vs reapers) - always 3 defending queens at natural (2 for creep and one for injects) This also what Scarlett does. But here comes the difference. Whereas Scarlett at this point wouldve put a 3rd down and immediately begin very aggressive pushing of creep until midmap, Hydra takes 2 gas while still saturating natural, only puts minimal creep down, and immediately throws down a roach warren. Its like his default play. He doesnt defend with lings, as he usually expects helions and thats where he uses roaches a lot (and the usual 3 queens of course). It is only after that early defense, that he puts a baneling nest down and a 3rd, which he defends with banes, lings and queens. He also does variations of this. Like adding a fast hydralisk den immediately when he sees banshees, even earlier roach warren for a quick push timed at min 8 with about 7 with +1 attk about to finish roaches and lings, or an early spire for denying the opponents 3rd really early when its not defended). So thats kinda his play, other than that he plays really by the book but with very clean and flawless timings for every little action. An example of hydras play would be: 1. on merry go wrong - 15 hatch 15 gas 15 pool - 3 queens + speedlings, - when 3rd base is put down, immediately take 3more gases and saturate all4 - spire - send mutas and lings to terran 3rd to deny, while at home put down baneling nest, macro hatch etc. OR - min 7 start roaches and +1 missile attk - min 8 send roaches and lings to terran natural to pressure 2. on overgrowth - 15 pool 15 hatch - before natural is saturated with 16 drones he takes 2 gases - 3 queens ensured at natural - throws down roach warren - early roach push while expanding at home so he seems to have this sort of standard thinking vs terran like "im sure youll do early pressure, so ill have my roaches always" or "you did not put early pressure? thanks, ill do instead with either roaches + lings or mutas + lings" What i havent seen him do, he never waits with units to amass banes and speedlings in a huge pile while pushing creep. This is what Scarlett usually does, of course this is also a preference thing, Hydra just doesnt do that at all, instead he always pokes with increasingly amounts of roaches, mutas, lings, permanently does annoying stuff like denying 3rd with either creep or early pushes etc Another interesting and i think kinda important thing is, drops will come almost always where there is little to no creep. Like a 3rd about to be taken by zerg, or the main base. And Hydra knows this, and almost always has the lings in place to defend, or banes. Of course Scarlett is a professional and can see the differences so much better in recently released replay packs and many other details that a n00b will never see. She will be fine, she is very smart and will find solutions, no need to fret. But yeah she should play a bit more early-rush-oriented or something, or just vary from the standard mutalingbane since thats nowadays a really fast way of losing potential prize money. -- Ultimately i think if an actual pro zerg player would comment here on her matches, it would be much more helpful than anything we can post. | ||
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icemanadu
New Zealand293 Posts
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William paradise
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On December 25 2014 12:05 xtorn wrote: Well, yes and no. I would not take Life as the ultimate example to follow, he has this very unique extremely aggressive style that not even some kr pros understand, so that guy is really an exception. However, I have some replays from Hydra and tried to understand what does he do different, since he wins a lot vs T. So I watched those and tried to imagine what would Scarlett do instead, versus what he does different. And i could see a few differences with my limited experience (put down red carpet please, im rank 1 in abysmal league). Some are more subtle (like timing everything really good, like roaches pop exactly when the hellbats are knocking on natural's door, always blocks enemy 3rd with creep so that the cc cant land, such little things that help) but some are more obvious, like different build choices. So on bigger maps - 15 hatch, 15 pool, sometimes 15 hatch, 15gas, 15 pool (early speed vs reapers) - always 3 defending queens at natural (2 for creep and one for injects) This also what Scarlett does. But here comes the difference. Whereas Scarlett at this point wouldve put a 3rd down and immediately begin very aggressive pushing of creep until midmap, Hydra takes 2 gas while still saturating natural, only puts minimal creep down, and immediately throws down a roach warren. Its like his default play. He doesnt defend with lings, as he usually expects helions and thats where he uses roaches a lot (and the usual 3 queens of course). It is only after that early defense, that he puts a baneling nest down and a 3rd, which he defends with banes, lings and queens. He also does variations of this. Like adding a fast hydralisk den immediately when he sees banshees, even earlier roach warren for a quick push timed at min 8 with about 7 with +1 attk about to finish roaches and lings, or an early spire for denying the opponents 3rd really early when its not defended). So thats kinda his play, other than that he plays really by the book but with very clean and flawless timings for every little action. An example of hydras play would be: 1. on merry go wrong - 15 hatch 15 gas 15 pool - 3 queens + speedlings, - when 3rd base is put down, immediately take 3more gases and saturate all4 - spire - send mutas and lings to terran 3rd to deny, while at home put down baneling nest, macro hatch etc. OR - min 7 start roaches and +1 missile attk - min 8 send roaches and lings to terran natural to pressure 2. on overgrowth - 15 pool 15 hatch - before natural is saturated with 16 drones he takes 2 gases - 3 queens ensured at natural - throws down roach warren - early roach push while expanding at home so he seems to have this sort of standard thinking vs terran like "im sure youll do early pressure, so ill have my roaches always" or "you did not put early pressure? thanks, ill do instead with either roaches + lings or mutas + lings" What i havent seen him do, he never waits with units to amass banes and speedlings in a huge pile while pushing creep. This is what Scarlett usually does, of course this is also a preference thing, Hydra just doesnt do that at all, instead he always pokes with increasingly amounts of roaches, mutas, lings, permanently does annoying stuff like denying 3rd with either creep or early pushes etc Another interesting and i think kinda important thing is, drops will come almost always where there is little to no creep. Like a 3rd about to be taken by zerg, or the main base. And Hydra knows this, and almost always has the lings in place to defend, or banes. Of course Scarlett is a professional and can see the differences so much better in recently released replay packs and many other details that a n00b will never see. She will be fine, she is very smart and will find solutions, no need to fret. But yeah she should play a bit more early-rush-oriented or something, or just vary from the standard mutalingbane since thats nowadays a really fast way of losing potential prize money. -- Ultimately i think if an actual pro zerg player would comment here on her matches, it would be much more helpful than anything we can post. Very nice write up i can't speak toward all the build order difference of how they differ and what not but to me the biggest divide between herself and the likes of Life and zest and all the top Korean's is her mental state. It seems that she lets to much doubt her in her ability to win into her head and that is more devastating then any other thing. If you look at 2013 vods of her the booth to the ones in 2014 her demeanor looks i wont say completing different but there is something missing and for me I thinks its confidence there was only one time this year where she looked like she knew she would win all her games and that was mlg. | ||
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Hope you all have a wonderful Holidays, whatever you celebrate!!! | ||
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William paradise
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William paradise
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On December 28 2014 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Just WCS Qualifiers I think. Yea what thought but dang that is a ways off o well guess i'll just have to be patient. | ||
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