On January 25 2014 10:14 xtorn wrote: Great victory by our beloved Scarlett in the 2nd match; honestly I can't figure out how INcontroL took the 1st game, as Scarlett's play is generally superior on multiple levels (which is clearly seen in game 3). I guess he managed to slightly pull ahead with that phoenixes focused micro. I'd say that was a bit lucky for INcontroL.
The main deal was that she had barely any lings in his base when the trade started. Usually, when a zerg player accepts the base trade, they go in with mutas and a large contingent of lings. The mutas are there for both space control and utility, but the real dps engine is always the lings. When the trade was underway, she was forced to micro her mutas against phoenixes far too much (due to a low corruptor count and a lack of survivability on said corruptors, since their critical air armor upgrade was denied) for the mutas to be the primary dealers of damage on their own.
Ah, interesting, didn't know that. So she was at a disadvantage when base trade started. You think she should've not done the base trade there, given IncontroL's army size and composition at that particular moment? I'm thinking that, in the alleged case when both bases vanish entirely and you're left with just your army, the opponent should have something you can easily take down with what you're left with - does this make sense?
Also, i always wondered - when looking for weak points she uses mass mutas a lot, which her opponents always seem to counter by chasing them with, in 90% of cases, basically their whole army, marines, blink stalkers, etc, anything that can reach the mutas fast. So given that a group of mutas always has the entire opponent's army chasing it, would it not be in most cases beneficial to just split the mutas in two equally sized groups and take on bases at points far away from eachother? i saw this on koreeans a lot to put a sortt of psychological pressure ( it's not fun to see your minimap blink in 2 or 3 places at the same time; it gives a sort of rogue wave of sudden mental stress). in real life warfare this is called military swarming, and is something Bomber uses a lot ( well Koreeans in general, i sometimes think top koreeans are that good since they may study actual military strategies, or at least their coaches).
On January 25 2014 10:14 xtorn wrote: Great victory by our beloved Scarlett in the 2nd match; honestly I can't figure out how INcontroL took the 1st game, as Scarlett's play is generally superior on multiple levels (which is clearly seen in game 3). I guess he managed to slightly pull ahead with that phoenixes focused micro. I'd say that was a bit lucky for INcontroL.
The main deal was that she had barely any lings in his base when the trade started. Usually, when a zerg player accepts the base trade, they go in with mutas and a large contingent of lings. The mutas are there for both space control and utility, but the real dps engine is always the lings. When the trade was underway, she was forced to micro her mutas against phoenixes far too much (due to a low corruptor count and a lack of survivability on said corruptors, since their critical air armor upgrade was denied) for the mutas to be the primary dealers of damage on their own.
Ah, interesting, didn't know that. So she was at a disadvantage when base trade started. You think she should've not done the base trade there, given IncontroL's army size and composition at that particular moment? I'm thinking that, in the alleged case when both bases vanish entirely and you're left with just your army, the opponent should have something you can easily take down with what you're left with - does this make sense?
Also, i always wondered - when looking for weak points she uses mass mutas a lot, which her opponents always seem to counter by chasing them with, in 90% of cases, basically their whole army, marines, blink stalkers, etc, anything that can reach the mutas fast. So given that a group of mutas always has the entire opponent's army chasing it, would it not be in most cases beneficial to just split the mutas in two equally sized groups and take on bases at points far away from eachother? i saw this on koreeans a lot to put a sortt of psychological pressure ( it's not fun to see your minimap blink in 2 or 3 places at the same time; it gives a lot of sudden mental stress. in real life warfare this is called military swarming, and is something Bomber uses a lot ( well Koreeans in general, i sometimes think they may study actual military strategies, or at least their coaches
You cannot fight the army head on, you will get crushed. The problem in game 1 was that she lost too many mutas and was forced to spend too much gas rebuilding them, which greatly lowered her corruptor count and delayed upgrades.
Normally a zerg would have 15+ corruptors against what Geoff had there. He basically kept tabs on the number of mutas he had killed, realized she had lost too much and could not defend against an attack, and went for it. It was just a bit of sloppy play on her part, and solid, patient play by Geoff.
Ok, yeah - but also, I'm trying to understand what could've advantaged Scarlett - I think she DID have the solution with the hydra nydus, which I find a very good idea, and hydras get a lot of dps generally if they are positioned in such a way that all hydras can dps simultaneously, BUT in this particular game, INcontroL did a sort of spartan defense - the hydras had to enter the narrow paths left by INcontroL, he used forcefields to narrow the path even more, forcing hydras to enter 2-3 at a time and wait in queue, thus leaving them vulnerable to the ranged colossi - so in this situation Scarlett lost the initial momentum because she could not use hydras at their maximum potential.
But even so, as I remember she still managed to take down like 2 colossi in the initial phase of her attack, right? so hydras + lings are effective against this colossi/stalker setup, if they have a clear path to work with.
I had a really bad feeling after game 1, but what a fantastic hold in game 2!
Game 2 I had give up hope on her when those lings got in. But I've learned these last 2 days to never doubt scarlett when she's behind, she's never out of it. Tense game to say the least.
So, Scarlett will play against Kane again (if she wins vs Minigun); just checked Kane's previous replays (as gameon didn't upload Kane vs Scarlett replays yet), his signature playstyle seems to be 13pool, constant zergling pressure, and then switch into roach pressure.
Interesting; quite aggressive. --------- Minigun seems to prefer 4 warpgate push or blink stalker pushes a lot. Scarlett certainly has tons of experience, but nevertheless she should almost surely expect early pushes, proxy pylon etc.
Um, didn't see last night - that was my conclusion from his matches with QXC on Yeonsu + Frost. edit - If you have a better overview including last matches that involved him, I'll edit my post. Just trying to add food for thought for Scarlett that can help her out.
I greatly value your intention, this is a good way, but I really think Scarlett is over us...
On January 26 2014 22:24 xtorn wrote: Um, didn't see last night - that was my conclusion from his matches with QXC on Yeonsu + Frost. edit - If you have a better overview including last matches that involved him, I'll edit my post. Just trying to add food for thought for Scarlett that can help her out.
On January 26 2014 22:24 xtorn wrote: Um, didn't see last night - that was my conclusion from his matches with QXC on Yeonsu + Frost. edit - If you have a better overview including last matches that involved him, I'll edit my post. Just trying to add food for thought for Scarlett that can help her out.
Absolutely, I agree. Scarlett is a world class player and knows everything already - but you can still express your estimations, right?
Also, here is an interview that I just found with Minigun, where he himself reveals his favourite playstyle, so let's analyze that a bit:
- What is your strength when you play SC2? - I like to play really aggressive instead of just defensive, so I kind of lean on that.
So I think you can estimate a pretty good chance, that she will receive early aggression from most of her opponents,since obviously they don't want to allow her to transition to her favourite quick 3 hatch build, where she is pretty deadly.
----- edit - so let's make this interesting, since the purpose of the thread is to support Scarlett not just cheer for her - whoever brings the most constructive ideas and arguments, that she can get inspiration from in her next match against Minigun, gets TL+ from me. I didn't even knew about Minigun until yesterday so what I wrote might be subpar - but you guys know him better.
On January 26 2014 22:45 Eolo wrote: I greatly value your intention, this is a good way, but I really think Scarlett is over us...
On January 26 2014 22:24 xtorn wrote: Um, didn't see last night - that was my conclusion from his matches with QXC on Yeonsu + Frost. edit - If you have a better overview including last matches that involved him, I'll edit my post. Just trying to add food for thought for Scarlett that can help her out.
Absolutely, I agree. Scarlett is a world class player and knows everything already - but you can still express your estimations, right?
Also, here is an interview that I just found with Minigun, where he himself reveals his favourite playstyle, so let's analyze that a bit:
So I think you can estimate a pretty good chance, that she will receive early aggression from most of her opponents,since obviously they don't want to allow her to transition to her favourite quick 3 hatch build, where she is pretty deadly.
----- edit - so let's make this interesting, since the purpose of the thread is to support Scarlett not just cheer for her - whoever brings the most constructive ideas and arguments, that she can get inspiration from in her next match against Minigun, gets TL+ from me. I didn't even knew about Minigun until yesterday so what I wrote might be subpar - but you guys know him better.
Actually minigun's playstyle is a lot different now, he sorta plays like protoss avilo (but better control and everything) where he is passive with airtoss, he's definitely not a player who favors 2base/3base timings usually
Sorry about that, but is not my native language and I get difficulties because I'm older and I didnt study this lenguaje in my country, you must have consideration to people who are not lucky enough to know English.
People get ready for Scarlett vs Minugun!! come on, chear Scarlett!!! [/QUOTE]
Absolutely, I agree. Scarlett is a world class player and knows everything already - but you can still express your estimations, right?
On January 26 2014 22:24 xtorn wrote: Um, didn't see last night - that was my conclusion from his matches with QXC on Yeonsu + Frost. edit - If you have a better overview including last matches that involved him, I'll edit my post. Just trying to add food for thought for Scarlett that can help her out.
Can't compare pvt with pvz. Against Vibe he took 7 minute 3rds with a stargate. Minigun is known for macro games pvz.
Yeah I think you're right, sort of did the wrong comparison there. Anyway Scarlett's up soon and I'm sort of worried, having watched Minigun's replays from yesterday
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your english is good
