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No transgender / gender identity / gender equality talk in this fanclub please.
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
April 12 2012 08:14 GMT
#2121
Sign me up, need to support new players in all shapes and forms. Plus she's a zerg player :p
'better still, a satisfied man'
Maldion
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1 Post
April 12 2012 14:44 GMT
#2122
Sign me up! You're gonna go far!
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
April 12 2012 15:00 GMT
#2123
On April 12 2012 13:09 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 12:09 iloveAthene wrote:
On April 12 2012 12:00 Chytilova wrote:
On April 12 2012 11:45 Megabuster123 wrote:
On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.

Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was.

As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change..


Illusion isn't a random though. He got 24th at MLG Providence last year and was getting hype before that nice run, his IEM and team league performances. Look at his TLPD: over 120 games played. Scarlett had zero games before last weekend. Illusion is definitely better than Scarlett, but the dude isn't a random. No one is even close to Scarlett in terms of coming out of nowhere and performing.


Not saying who I think is better overall, but if she and Illusion played I'd bet on Scarlett.


I'm not saying aliens exist, but aliens exist!

hahaha priceless

Seriously though I think it would be a damn good match


I cannot see that without thinking of the history guy with the hair.

This guy:
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[image loading]


Also, Scarlett would be a good bet. Hoping to hear more about potential team/sponsor deals. Razer, where are you? You sponsor EVERYONE else...
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 15:27:04
April 12 2012 15:26 GMT
#2124
On April 12 2012 08:59 chocopan wrote:
Heyhey they are about to discuss Scarlett on Live on Three right now. Will update with summary if it seems worthwhile.

I'm seeing red! harharhar

Update: Summary below.

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They say the tg thing is the least notable thing about her and that her play is genuinely impressive. Note the buzz about team offers.

Acknowledge it is only one result, but can't not be impressed. Apparently everyone is asking teams if they are picking her up, and SirScoots says you can't make a career on one result. Watching her play he says she looks like she plays solid, it wasn't cheesy play or anything, which suggest she has real promise, but there have to be a series of solid results for serious teams to take her seriously.

He also notes sometimes it can be sort of easier if you come in as an unknown, eg. when she was given the regame, which probably wouldn't have happened if she had been perceived as a Real Threat. They think dm was unwise to give her a regame. (Obviously :D .)

But still regame aside she beat him no ifs no buts.

They comment that mostly the community has been mature about the tg aspects of the story.


Like pretty much all of the Scarlett coverage I've seen in the community, it was positive. SirScoots made fair points, contra the "so much hype" crit above.


For anyone interested, here's the VOD for Live On Three:
http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/314692505 , starting at 1:00:36 for discussion about Scarlett.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 15:35:52
April 12 2012 15:34 GMT
#2125
On April 12 2012 13:17 corpuscle wrote:
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On April 12 2012 12:31 Kenpark wrote:
Well comparing it with the data in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327898 she seems pretty fast to me. Its around Liquid Seth level.

And well Demuslim is from the UK and Select I wasnt counting as from NA as well, as he is a korean living in the US. You wouldnt count Violet being from the US either.


The graph you're citing is sorted by EAPM, which is a shitty and misleading statistic. You have players like IMMvp rating below Sheth (he's "anonymous"), as well as players like LosirA and Zenio topping the chart. EAPM is essentially a measure of whether you spam clicks or keyboard presses more; a lot of the time, players with high EAPM have it because every time they tell a unit to move they're clicking five times, whereas the player with lower EAPM but higher standard APM is spending that time tapping their production facilities instead of clicking.

It's just an awful statistic, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Having 200 APM is somewhat "slow" for a pro, there's no real way around it. I've averaged out to 200 APM over 20-minute games, and I'm barely in diamond league.

That's not to say that being slow means that you're bad; Flash averages around 300 APM which is "slow" relative to the people he's playing against, but he still beats 70% of them.


I think you might be wrong, but not sure. I believe EAPM doesn't count the five clicks you use to command a unit to move, which would be counted by simply APM. Which is why your EAPM is ALWAYS lower than your APM, and lets you calculate the redundancy of clicks.

Granted, I'm not discounting the deductions you can make from someone who spams alot, it obviously helps keep you moving and thinking at a quick pace, but I'm not suprised that Losira, who is simply a high APM player would also have high EAPM.

Not implying anything about skill level or comparisons, I just think we might have different understandings of EAPM.
Bananasword01
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia220 Posts
April 12 2012 15:48 GMT
#2126
On April 13 2012 00:34 Sphen5117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 13:17 corpuscle wrote:
On April 12 2012 12:31 Kenpark wrote:
Well comparing it with the data in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327898 she seems pretty fast to me. Its around Liquid Seth level.

And well Demuslim is from the UK and Select I wasnt counting as from NA as well, as he is a korean living in the US. You wouldnt count Violet being from the US either.


The graph you're citing is sorted by EAPM, which is a shitty and misleading statistic. You have players like IMMvp rating below Sheth (he's "anonymous"), as well as players like LosirA and Zenio topping the chart. EAPM is essentially a measure of whether you spam clicks or keyboard presses more; a lot of the time, players with high EAPM have it because every time they tell a unit to move they're clicking five times, whereas the player with lower EAPM but higher standard APM is spending that time tapping their production facilities instead of clicking.

It's just an awful statistic, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Having 200 APM is somewhat "slow" for a pro, there's no real way around it. I've averaged out to 200 APM over 20-minute games, and I'm barely in diamond league.

That's not to say that being slow means that you're bad; Flash averages around 300 APM which is "slow" relative to the people he's playing against, but he still beats 70% of them.


I think you might be wrong, but not sure. I believe EAPM doesn't count the five clicks you use to command a unit to move, which would be counted by simply APM. Which is why your EAPM is ALWAYS lower than your APM, and lets you calculate the redundancy of clicks.

Granted, I'm not discounting the deductions you can make from someone who spams alot, it obviously helps keep you moving and thinking at a quick pace, but I'm not suprised that Losira, who is simply a high APM player would also have high EAPM.

Not implying anything about skill level or comparisons, I just think we might have different understandings of EAPM.


The issue isn't really which one is better, it's that both are arbitrary and provide little information abut a game that while it does require speed also requires strategy and tactics. In the end you may as well use the raw data because if they are both corrupted and arbitrary the data that has been modified by a single persons opinion on what is considered redundant is doubly arbitrary.

example : many move commands in the same spot are useless. But having a pattern of repeating control groups or camera hotkeys allows a player to see information more frequently.

The better player is the one that wins. I don't even care if they all inned.

corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 15:50:56
April 12 2012 15:48 GMT
#2127
On April 13 2012 00:34 Sphen5117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 13:17 corpuscle wrote:
On April 12 2012 12:31 Kenpark wrote:
Well comparing it with the data in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327898 she seems pretty fast to me. Its around Liquid Seth level.

And well Demuslim is from the UK and Select I wasnt counting as from NA as well, as he is a korean living in the US. You wouldnt count Violet being from the US either.


The graph you're citing is sorted by EAPM, which is a shitty and misleading statistic. You have players like IMMvp rating below Sheth (he's "anonymous"), as well as players like LosirA and Zenio topping the chart. EAPM is essentially a measure of whether you spam clicks or keyboard presses more; a lot of the time, players with high EAPM have it because every time they tell a unit to move they're clicking five times, whereas the player with lower EAPM but higher standard APM is spending that time tapping their production facilities instead of clicking.

It's just an awful statistic, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Having 200 APM is somewhat "slow" for a pro, there's no real way around it. I've averaged out to 200 APM over 20-minute games, and I'm barely in diamond league.

That's not to say that being slow means that you're bad; Flash averages around 300 APM which is "slow" relative to the people he's playing against, but he still beats 70% of them.


I think you might be wrong, but not sure. I believe EAPM doesn't count the five clicks you use to command a unit to move, which would be counted by simply APM. Which is why your EAPM is ALWAYS lower than your APM, and lets you calculate the redundancy of clicks.

Granted, I'm not discounting the deductions you can make from someone who spams alot, it obviously helps keep you moving and thinking at a quick pace, but I'm not suprised that Losira, who is simply a high APM player would also have high EAPM.

Not implying anything about skill level or comparisons, I just think we might have different understandings of EAPM.


EAPM counts repeated clicks, what it doesn't count is when you switch your control groups while "tapping" (ie when you're going 14151617 to check if your production facilities are building stuff) without actually building anything.

edit: the guy above me put it best. Both aren't that useful information-wise as long as you have enough APM to do what you need to (I'd say around ~200), but EAPM is worse because the way it's measured is fairly subjective (and, in my opinion, flawed).
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Bananasword01
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia220 Posts
April 12 2012 15:51 GMT
#2128
On April 13 2012 00:48 corpuscle wrote:
EAPM counts repeated clicks, what it doesn't count is when you switch your control groups while "tapping" (ie when you're going 14151617 to check if your production facilities are building stuff) without actually building anything.


Eapm is truly terrible.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 12 2012 16:36 GMT
#2129
The reason APM is accepted is because it directly relates to some real aspect of skill that's understandable and it's impressive if someone's exceptionally quick. eapm is equally useless as apm, but it's more abstract, it's a lower number and therefore nobody cares about it.

Btw, sc2gears has a different definition for eapm than Blizzard, that's more adapt at filtering out spam while keeping meaningful actions.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Ramone
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada85 Posts
April 12 2012 17:28 GMT
#2130
Congratulations Scarlett! Looking forward to seeing your play again. Sign me up for the fan club please
Living the dream
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
April 12 2012 18:27 GMT
#2131
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !
Progamer
...what
Profile Joined April 2011
England94 Posts
April 12 2012 18:29 GMT
#2132
that's great news!

oh and sign me up
Iamportal
Profile Joined January 2011
United States184 Posts
April 12 2012 18:35 GMT
#2133
On April 13 2012 03:27 Scarlett` wrote:
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !


That's amazing!

Good luck ^_^
If you're not attacking, you're probably loosing
Cor_Malek
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland61 Posts
April 12 2012 18:36 GMT
#2134
Def sign me up.

On April 13 2012 03:27 Scarlett` wrote:
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !


Hah, can't stop wondering if it's going to be foreigners or Koreans. I hope you get some great practice before Canadian nationals/qualifiers for Blizz World Championship.

GL!
Two little goblins out in the sun. Down came a griffin, and there was one.
KebertXela
Profile Joined August 2010
United States322 Posts
April 12 2012 18:37 GMT
#2135
On April 13 2012 03:27 Scarlett` wrote:
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !



Yayy!! I hope you choose a great team that will support you!

Scarlett'Prime Fighting!!!
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Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 18:40:47
April 12 2012 18:40 GMT
#2136
On April 13 2012 03:36 Cor_Malek wrote:
Def sign me up.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 03:27 Scarlett` wrote:
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !


Hah, can't stop wondering if it's going to be foreigners or Koreans. I hope you get some great practice before Canadian nationals/qualifiers for Blizz World Championship.

GL!


I'm curious about the same thing, and don't even know how to quantify what would be best.... but the fluff answer in the back of my mind is a foreigner team with the option of Korea.

Congrats!@!
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
April 12 2012 18:45 GMT
#2137
On April 13 2012 03:40 Dac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 03:36 Cor_Malek wrote:
Def sign me up.

On April 13 2012 03:27 Scarlett` wrote:
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !


Hah, can't stop wondering if it's going to be foreigners or Koreans. I hope you get some great practice before Canadian nationals/qualifiers for Blizz World Championship.

GL!


I'm curious about the same thing, and don't even know how to quantify what would be best.... but the fluff answer in the back of my mind is a foreigner team with the option of Korea.

Congrats!@!


Would be my choice too. The Koreans are joining foreigner teams because there's more money and chances to go to events in a foreign team. But only if they allow you to go to Korea to practice.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
FroggerScarletFan
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada45 Posts
April 12 2012 19:47 GMT
#2138
That's so awesome hope to see you at every event either way :D !!!!
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
April 12 2012 19:57 GMT
#2139
On April 13 2012 03:37 KebertXela wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 03:27 Scarlett` wrote:
Making a decision between a few very good team offers ~ Will post team I am joining on twitter monday !



Yayy!! I hope you choose a great team that will support you!

Scarlett'Prime Fighting!!!


OMG! If it's actually Prime that would be like the coolest thing ever! Can't wait for Monday! :D
Yst
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada70 Posts
April 12 2012 20:07 GMT
#2140
Fabulous! Can't wait to hear which it is. Some team is going to pick up a whole lot of devout new fans on Monday.

Canadian Zergs will at last have a national hero on a pro team, it seems. Mostly, we've gotten Toss players, in the past.

Funny thing that another notable Canadian Zerg these days is DaSakura, another top female player (though one Scarlett has beaten).
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