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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On April 12 2012 13:09 Seldentar wrote: I'm not saying aliens exist, but aliens exist! hahaha priceless  Seriously though I think it would be a damn good match lmao I meant averaged out every matchup Scarlett knew what I meant ^^ | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On April 12 2012 13:04 KebertXela wrote: I hope all is well! http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague2/b/314171966?t=52m35s Thx man. | ||
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On April 12 2012 13:11 Bibbit wrote: Funny thing is Scarlett just said the exact same thing.  Apparently she has really good ZvT (aka could maybe beat Illusion) but isnt as good as Illusion in the other matchups. It makes sense ! I agree, just screwing with him | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On April 12 2012 12:31 Kenpark wrote: Well comparing it with the data in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327898 she seems pretty fast to me. Its around Liquid Seth level. And well Demuslim is from the UK and Select I wasnt counting as from NA as well, as he is a korean living in the US. You wouldnt count Violet being from the US either. The graph you're citing is sorted by EAPM, which is a shitty and misleading statistic. You have players like IMMvp rating below Sheth (he's "anonymous"), as well as players like LosirA and Zenio topping the chart. EAPM is essentially a measure of whether you spam clicks or keyboard presses more; a lot of the time, players with high EAPM have it because every time they tell a unit to move they're clicking five times, whereas the player with lower EAPM but higher standard APM is spending that time tapping their production facilities instead of clicking. It's just an awful statistic, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Having 200 APM is somewhat "slow" for a pro, there's no real way around it. I've averaged out to 200 APM over 20-minute games, and I'm barely in diamond league. That's not to say that being slow means that you're bad; Flash averages around 300 APM which is "slow" relative to the people he's playing against, but he still beats 70% of them. | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On April 12 2012 13:07 Megabuster123 wrote: Well he's not random now, but he was at some point. Vile isn't necessarily a premier foreign team. Yeah he definitely wasn't well known, but I think random is just wrong in his situation. As soon as he was picked up by vile and started streaming/getting games casted, people were hyping him up even though he hadn't had any tournaments results. Sure a lot of people didn't know him, but he wasn't a random. I remember being skeptical until I saw the series against Sheth at MLG Providence where Illusion dismantled him on Shakuras. On April 12 2012 12:57 Scarlett` wrote: (im sooooo tired right now ; was up like 30 hours yesterday because of when i had to check out of hotel and my plane was more than 12 hours after that ... and then i get home to find out i had to travel 5 hours today to go to hospital) Wow! Get better and rest up! Much love <3 | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
The graph you're citing is sorted by EAPM, which is a shitty and misleading statistic. You have players like IMMvp rating below Sheth (he's "anonymous"), as well as players like LosirA and Zenio topping the chart. EAPM is essentially a measure of whether you spam clicks or keyboard presses more; a lot of the time, players with high EAPM have it because every time they tell a unit to move they're clicking five times, whereas the player with lower EAPM but higher standard APM is spending that time tapping their production facilities instead of clicking. It's just an awful statistic, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Having 200 APM is somewhat "slow" for a pro, there's no real way around it. I've averaged out to 200 APM over 20-minute games, and I'm barely in diamond league. That's not to say that being slow means that you're bad; Flash averages around 300 APM which is "slow" relative to the people he's playing against, but he still beats 70% of them. Ofc its not an all around measurement to skill level, but its def an indicator esp for zerg players. Idra switched to zerg cause he thought it was best fitting to his strength needing really good mechanics. And Stephano and DRG imo the two best zergs in the world sitting at very high APM and EAPM isnt a coincidence. Ofc it helps if your able to click very fast and be fast with the keyboard. Ofc decision making, mental power etc are also very important. | ||
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Pshrimp
Malaysia2 Posts
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MDMA_
Canada265 Posts
i saw under the quotes the Scarlett got a sponsor from a korean team. Given that Scareltt has shown such tremendous ability, i would assume an offer like that would be most beneficial if she stayed in the teamhouse. But arent the teamhouses like a male dorm, 4 guys to a room at least. I'd assume she would want a bit of her own privacy at the very least. How would this work for her? Just really sorta curious, i know some of the other female progamers signed by korean teams live on their own correct? | ||
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Yst
Canada70 Posts
Might doing an IAMA on Reddit be an idea, when you have the time and once you've had a rest, Scarlett? It seems like folks over there have been mostly friendly, and there's perhaps as fair a following there for you as there is here. It'd keep the name "Scarlett" on the tongues of the larger Starcraft community, until you're next competition | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On April 12 2012 14:00 MDMA_ wrote: uhhhhhhhhhhh this is not meant to be offensive WHATSOEVER, in fact im part of this fanclub. i saw under the quotes the Scarlett got a sponsor from a korean team. Given that Scareltt has shown such tremendous ability, i would assume an offer like that would be most beneficial if she stayed in the teamhouse. But arent the teamhouses like a male dorm, 4 guys to a room at least. I'd assume she would want a bit of her own privacy at the very least. How would this work for her? Just really sorta curious, i know some of the other female progamers signed by korean teams live on their own correct? There are some koreans who live close to teamhouse and just travel back and forth, if she gets a good enough sponsorship that might be an option | ||
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PlagueWasp
United States216 Posts
On April 12 2012 13:17 corpuscle wrote: The graph you're citing is sorted by EAPM, which is a shitty and misleading statistic. You have players like IMMvp rating below Sheth (he's "anonymous"), as well as players like LosirA and Zenio topping the chart. EAPM is essentially a measure of whether you spam clicks or keyboard presses more; a lot of the time, players with high EAPM have it because every time they tell a unit to move they're clicking five times, whereas the player with lower EAPM but higher standard APM is spending that time tapping their production facilities instead of clicking. It's just an awful statistic, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Having 200 APM is somewhat "slow" for a pro, there's no real way around it. I've averaged out to 200 APM over 20-minute games, and I'm barely in diamond league. That's not to say that being slow means that you're bad; Flash averages around 300 APM which is "slow" relative to the people he's playing against, but he still beats 70% of them. Elfi has been fairly successful despite ridiculously low APM. Most of the time the players he has beaten have twice the APM he does. | ||
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megumixbear
United States192 Posts
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
Edit: Her Blizzard profile shows 7th, which is still impressive! | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On April 12 2012 15:01 PlagueWasp wrote: Elfi has been fairly successful despite ridiculously low APM. Most of the time the players he has beaten have twice the APM he does. Elfi is notoriously cheesy/gimmicky and is pretty bad at every matchup that isn't PvP. His APM is "low" because he doesn't spam early-game (which gives him 1-2 minutes of 10-15 APM) but if you watch him in the later stages he averages 160-200. He places well in European tournaments because Europe is strangely protoss-heavy at the higher levels and that's his best matchup. He's gotten ridiculously lucky in the tournaments he did well in, if you look at the brackets he's been blessed with mostly having PvP when it actually counts. Sjow and Goody also have low APM relative to other pros, and look how far that's gotten them. Again, APM isn't the end-all be-all, you can be good with low APM, but it certainly helps. I don't think anyone with less than 200 APM has won a legitimate SC2 tournament, ever. edit: and when I say "legitimate tournament" I mean an offline tournament where 4-5 koreans have been flown in, not some online cup where the majority of the bracket is mid-low tier players and the only real competition is other top Europeans and Koreans playing with cross-server latency. | ||
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KebertXela
United States322 Posts
He was the 2nd best foreigner at MLG Raleigh. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh APM means shit in SC2. BW sure, it was important but now a lot of the actions that were necessary before are gone because of improvements. | ||
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suchacrisis
United States2 Posts
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Hyge
Finland138 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On April 12 2012 16:06 KebertXela wrote: Sjow is actually really good. He was the 2nd best foreigner at MLG Raleigh. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh APM means shit in SC2. BW sure, it was important but now a lot of the actions that were necessary before are gone because of improvements. Thats actually completetly not true, BW even more than SC2 rewarded player experience over mass clicking, actually the best players besides Nada and Jaedong were slower or even much slower than the average. Savior and Stork have around 200-250 BW(real) apm (which is even lower than SC2 apm). Sorry for nitpicking. | ||
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