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On April 12 2012 10:22 ABagOfFritos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:20 KebertXela wrote:On April 12 2012 10:07 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 08:59 chocopan wrote:Heyhey they are about to discuss Scarlett on Live on Three right now. Will update with summary if it seems worthwhile. I'm seeing red! harharhar Update: Summary below. + Show Spoiler +They say the tg thing is the least notable thing about her and that her play is genuinely impressive. Note the buzz about team offers.
Acknowledge it is only one result, but can't not be impressed. Apparently everyone is asking teams if they are picking her up, and SirScoots says you can't make a career on one result. Watching her play he says she looks like she plays solid, it wasn't cheesy play or anything, which suggest she has real promise, but there have to be a series of solid results for serious teams to take her seriously.
He also notes sometimes it can be sort of easier if you come in as an unknown, eg. when she was given the regame, which probably wouldn't have happened if she had been perceived as a Real Threat. They think dm was unwise to give her a regame. (Obviously :D .)
But still regame aside she beat him no ifs no buts.
They comment that mostly the community has been mature about the tg aspects of the story.
Like pretty much all of the Scarlett coverage I've seen in the community, it was positive. SirScoots made fair points, contra the "so much hype" crit above. Can definitely agree with Scoots in a big way, but at the same time djWHEAT pointed out that the results aren't just some lucky wins from a few easy opponents in an easy bracket. They were significant players giving us good reason to expect more excellent results in the future. Can't wait to see what happens! Also she was a top 10 GM. You can't have a couple of lucky wins to get there. We all know that well  Yes and no on this one. Both CombatEX and Deezer have also been up in the top GM spots.
Well for them, all they do is cheese which even pros can fall to whereas Scarlett does regular macro play.
Also, they haven't translated those spots into tournament wins which Scarlett has. If I was a team manager, there is enough proof to show that she will explode. Scoots has (atleast in Starcraft 2) has shown that he likes more established players like grabbing HuK for a what has been called a life-changing sum, and nabbing Puma right when he won NASL. EG in SC2 doesn't seem to like upstarts.
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On April 12 2012 10:42 KebertXela wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:22 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 10:20 KebertXela wrote:On April 12 2012 10:07 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 08:59 chocopan wrote:Heyhey they are about to discuss Scarlett on Live on Three right now. Will update with summary if it seems worthwhile. I'm seeing red! harharhar Update: Summary below. + Show Spoiler +They say the tg thing is the least notable thing about her and that her play is genuinely impressive. Note the buzz about team offers.
Acknowledge it is only one result, but can't not be impressed. Apparently everyone is asking teams if they are picking her up, and SirScoots says you can't make a career on one result. Watching her play he says she looks like she plays solid, it wasn't cheesy play or anything, which suggest she has real promise, but there have to be a series of solid results for serious teams to take her seriously.
He also notes sometimes it can be sort of easier if you come in as an unknown, eg. when she was given the regame, which probably wouldn't have happened if she had been perceived as a Real Threat. They think dm was unwise to give her a regame. (Obviously :D .)
But still regame aside she beat him no ifs no buts.
They comment that mostly the community has been mature about the tg aspects of the story.
Like pretty much all of the Scarlett coverage I've seen in the community, it was positive. SirScoots made fair points, contra the "so much hype" crit above. Can definitely agree with Scoots in a big way, but at the same time djWHEAT pointed out that the results aren't just some lucky wins from a few easy opponents in an easy bracket. They were significant players giving us good reason to expect more excellent results in the future. Can't wait to see what happens! Also she was a top 10 GM. You can't have a couple of lucky wins to get there. We all know that well Yes and no on this one. Both CombatEX and Deezer have also been up in the top GM spots. Well for them, all they do is cheese which even pros can fall to whereas Scarlett does regular macro play. Also, they haven't translated those spots into tournament wins which Scarlett has. If I was a team manager, there is enough proof to show that she will explode. Scoots has (atleast in Starcraft 2) has shown that he likes more established players like grabbing HuK for a what has been called a life-changing sum, and nabbing Puma right when he won NASL. EG in SC2 doesn't seem to like upstarts.
While I think you are probably correct in assuming that Scarlett plays straight up games on ladder there really is no way for us to prove that, but we'll give her the benefit of the doubt since we've seen that she's more than capable of doing so.
It would definitely be cool to see one of the Korean teams pick her up, but I'd still prefer seeing her with a foreign team. HINT HINT TL.
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TL really doesn't need another Zerg though, they're way too Zerg heavy already.
Prime needs a Zerg though.
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On April 12 2012 10:42 KebertXela wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:22 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 10:20 KebertXela wrote:On April 12 2012 10:07 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 08:59 chocopan wrote:Heyhey they are about to discuss Scarlett on Live on Three right now. Will update with summary if it seems worthwhile. I'm seeing red! harharhar Update: Summary below. + Show Spoiler +They say the tg thing is the least notable thing about her and that her play is genuinely impressive. Note the buzz about team offers.
Acknowledge it is only one result, but can't not be impressed. Apparently everyone is asking teams if they are picking her up, and SirScoots says you can't make a career on one result. Watching her play he says she looks like she plays solid, it wasn't cheesy play or anything, which suggest she has real promise, but there have to be a series of solid results for serious teams to take her seriously.
He also notes sometimes it can be sort of easier if you come in as an unknown, eg. when she was given the regame, which probably wouldn't have happened if she had been perceived as a Real Threat. They think dm was unwise to give her a regame. (Obviously :D .)
But still regame aside she beat him no ifs no buts.
They comment that mostly the community has been mature about the tg aspects of the story.
Like pretty much all of the Scarlett coverage I've seen in the community, it was positive. SirScoots made fair points, contra the "so much hype" crit above. Can definitely agree with Scoots in a big way, but at the same time djWHEAT pointed out that the results aren't just some lucky wins from a few easy opponents in an easy bracket. They were significant players giving us good reason to expect more excellent results in the future. Can't wait to see what happens! Also she was a top 10 GM. You can't have a couple of lucky wins to get there. We all know that well Yes and no on this one. Both CombatEX and Deezer have also been up in the top GM spots. Well for them, all they do is cheese which even pros can fall to whereas Scarlett does regular macro play. Also, they haven't translated those spots into tournament wins which Scarlett has. If I was a team manager, there is enough proof to show that she will explode. Scoots has (atleast in Starcraft 2) has shown that he likes more established players like grabbing HuK for a what has been called a life-changing sum, and nabbing Puma right when he won NASL. EG in SC2 doesn't seem to like upstarts.
To be fair a lot of upstarts just end up sucking, so it seems to be a sound business model.
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I agree with most of the comments above.
Ultimately, if you are really serious about a career and not just some travel and experiences before going on to work or study or something, a real team is necessary. It's pretty clear that to maintain and progress with the game you have to have good regular opponents to work with over the long term, and that can only come, at top top level, from a good team, and not from casual partners and ladder play. On the other hand, there are real advantages to being in an excellent team and compared to a middle of the road team.
I guess if one needs the economic support to keep up practicing at a competitive level in the short term, you take the first offer that comes. But provided that's not necessary, I would think it would be wise to keep working hard, show a few more strong performances (they don't have to be tournament cups, just solid respectable wins against serious opponents), and then consider the offers at that point.
All good.
I hope there isn't too much pressure building for her next major event though. Stay frosty S...!
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On April 12 2012 11:13 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:42 KebertXela wrote:On April 12 2012 10:22 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 10:20 KebertXela wrote:On April 12 2012 10:07 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 08:59 chocopan wrote:Heyhey they are about to discuss Scarlett on Live on Three right now. Will update with summary if it seems worthwhile. I'm seeing red! harharhar Update: Summary below. + Show Spoiler +They say the tg thing is the least notable thing about her and that her play is genuinely impressive. Note the buzz about team offers.
Acknowledge it is only one result, but can't not be impressed. Apparently everyone is asking teams if they are picking her up, and SirScoots says you can't make a career on one result. Watching her play he says she looks like she plays solid, it wasn't cheesy play or anything, which suggest she has real promise, but there have to be a series of solid results for serious teams to take her seriously.
He also notes sometimes it can be sort of easier if you come in as an unknown, eg. when she was given the regame, which probably wouldn't have happened if she had been perceived as a Real Threat. They think dm was unwise to give her a regame. (Obviously :D .)
But still regame aside she beat him no ifs no buts.
They comment that mostly the community has been mature about the tg aspects of the story.
Like pretty much all of the Scarlett coverage I've seen in the community, it was positive. SirScoots made fair points, contra the "so much hype" crit above. Can definitely agree with Scoots in a big way, but at the same time djWHEAT pointed out that the results aren't just some lucky wins from a few easy opponents in an easy bracket. They were significant players giving us good reason to expect more excellent results in the future. Can't wait to see what happens! Also she was a top 10 GM. You can't have a couple of lucky wins to get there. We all know that well Yes and no on this one. Both CombatEX and Deezer have also been up in the top GM spots. Well for them, all they do is cheese which even pros can fall to whereas Scarlett does regular macro play. Also, they haven't translated those spots into tournament wins which Scarlett has. If I was a team manager, there is enough proof to show that she will explode. Scoots has (atleast in Starcraft 2) has shown that he likes more established players like grabbing HuK for a what has been called a life-changing sum, and nabbing Puma right when he won NASL. EG in SC2 doesn't seem to like upstarts. To be fair a lot of upstarts just end up sucking, so it seems to be a sound business model.
Very very true. Cruncher is a good example of that. But, the best investments are the riskier ones.
HuK I think was an upstart too early on before being picked up by TL. A year later he signed a life-changing contract with EG.
Scarlett also isn't usual aswell. She has only been playing seriously for a year and from Nov-Feb she was taking a break. She has natural talent.
The only way we can be sure Scarlett will continue being awesome is if she continues practicing like hell and if she finds more practice partners.
These are just my personal theories.
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Nobody is expecting Scarlett to be better than Stephano any time soon, but she could still get to the upper levels of foreigner rankings and she's the only really new NA player to break out in what seems like ages.
NA desperately needs the fresh blood.
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On April 12 2012 10:42 KebertXela wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:22 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 10:20 KebertXela wrote:On April 12 2012 10:07 ABagOfFritos wrote:On April 12 2012 08:59 chocopan wrote:Heyhey they are about to discuss Scarlett on Live on Three right now. Will update with summary if it seems worthwhile. I'm seeing red! harharhar Update: Summary below. + Show Spoiler +They say the tg thing is the least notable thing about her and that her play is genuinely impressive. Note the buzz about team offers.
Acknowledge it is only one result, but can't not be impressed. Apparently everyone is asking teams if they are picking her up, and SirScoots says you can't make a career on one result. Watching her play he says she looks like she plays solid, it wasn't cheesy play or anything, which suggest she has real promise, but there have to be a series of solid results for serious teams to take her seriously.
He also notes sometimes it can be sort of easier if you come in as an unknown, eg. when she was given the regame, which probably wouldn't have happened if she had been perceived as a Real Threat. They think dm was unwise to give her a regame. (Obviously :D .)
But still regame aside she beat him no ifs no buts.
They comment that mostly the community has been mature about the tg aspects of the story.
Like pretty much all of the Scarlett coverage I've seen in the community, it was positive. SirScoots made fair points, contra the "so much hype" crit above. Can definitely agree with Scoots in a big way, but at the same time djWHEAT pointed out that the results aren't just some lucky wins from a few easy opponents in an easy bracket. They were significant players giving us good reason to expect more excellent results in the future. Can't wait to see what happens! Also she was a top 10 GM. You can't have a couple of lucky wins to get there. We all know that well Yes and no on this one. Both CombatEX and Deezer have also been up in the top GM spots. Well for them, all they do is cheese which even pros can fall to whereas Scarlett does regular macro play. Also, they haven't translated those spots into tournament wins which Scarlett has. If I was a team manager, there is enough proof to show that she will explode. Scoots has (atleast in Starcraft 2) has shown that he likes more established players like grabbing HuK for a what has been called a life-changing sum, and nabbing Puma right when he won NASL. EG in SC2 doesn't seem to like upstarts.
I would LOVE it if Scarlett got picked up, but I can understand why she hasn't been yet. She hasn't performed well for long enough yet, aside from holding the top of the ladder, which as you said, doesn't matter, because players like Deezer and combatEX can claim the same thing. She has played well at one tournament, it was an incredible run, one of if not the best open bracket run by an unknown player i can remember, but it was still only one event. I understand why Scoots(and other teams) would be leery of picking up someone who was a complete unknown until 5 days ago. For all Scoots knows, she could just be a one hit wonder who does well at one event and then is never heard from again. I really hope that is not the case, because her play is awesome, and i want to see more of it, and definitely want to see her succeed.
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Even if she doesn't get on a team right away, I hope she at least gets sponsored to go to another big LAN to try another open bracket so we can see if she can repeat her performance.
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Nobody is expecting Scarlett to be better than Stephano any time soon, but she could still get to the upper levels of foreigner rankings and she's the only really new NA player to break out in what seems like ages.
Well Illusion had an even more impressing run in IPL 3. But its amazing how hyped she is now. There are probably around 20 players in EU, who arent on a major team also that are better than her, but she had the chance to shine in a major tourny and she took advantage of that.So all props to her.
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Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was, and she doesn't have a team to train with. Teamless unknowns breaking out is super rare.
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On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was.
As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change..
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Illusion isn't random right now, he's on a team and has been to many events.
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Well Illusion had an even more impressing run in IPL 3. But its amazing how hyped she is now. There are probably around 20 players in EU, who arent on a major team also that are better than her, but she had the chance to shine in a major tourny and she took advantage of that.So all props to her.
I take your core point.
I should say though I don't think she is being especially hyped. Here is her fan club so that's a special case. Re the coverage in the sc2 media, it's been positive but not hyperbolic; and the general tenor is "Strong indications of good things to come", not that she is insta-Code S or anything. And even here in her Lair (see what I did there), people are generally encouraging her to keep working hard and cheering her on to push herself harder, rather than saying "You done it you made it Stephano move over".
As a minor footnote, I think foreigners tend to go a bit weak in the knees for any player at all who shows any modicum of promise against korean pros. What hype there may be floating around is at least in part epiphenomenal of this, I should think.
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On April 12 2012 11:45 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was. As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change..
A lot of people, including me have been saying Illusion is the best NA Terran for months now.
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On April 12 2012 11:49 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:45 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was. As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change.. A lot of people, including me have been saying Illusion is the best NA Terran for months now.
To be fair, his competition for best NA Terran is who... KawaiiRice, DDE, and drewbie?
edit: and Major
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On April 12 2012 11:51 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:49 iloveAthene wrote:On April 12 2012 11:45 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was. As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change.. A lot of people, including me have been saying Illusion is the best NA Terran for months now. To be fair, his competition for best NA Terran is who... KawaiiRice, DDE, and drewbie? edit: and Major
lol true
But nevertheless, he's far from random or unknown.
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On April 12 2012 11:54 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:51 corpuscle wrote:On April 12 2012 11:49 iloveAthene wrote:On April 12 2012 11:45 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was. As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change.. A lot of people, including me have been saying Illusion is the best NA Terran for months now. To be fair, his competition for best NA Terran is who... KawaiiRice, DDE, and drewbie? edit: and Major lol true But nevertheless, he's far from random or unknown.
Yeah, I definitely agree. If you didn't know Illusion was good enough to put up a fight against Koreans, you just aren't following the scene closely enough. I agree that his run was really good, but it's not surprising. I kind of saw it and was like "oh, cool, Illusion got over his nerves and played as well as he's capable of in a LAN setting."
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On April 12 2012 11:45 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:43 Zzoram wrote:
Illusion did have a better run, but he was was known before IPL4.
Scarlett is news because nobody knew who she was. As great as Scarlett has been at IPL, Illusion is still the most impressive random person to show up so far. But we'll see if that can be change..
Illusion isn't a random though. He got 24th at MLG Providence last year and was getting hype before that nice run, his IEM and team league performances. Look at his TLPD: over 120 games played. Scarlett had zero games before last weekend. Illusion is definitely better than Scarlett, but the dude isn't a random. No one is even close to Scarlett in terms of coming out of nowhere and performing.
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