EPTLeenock Fan Club! - Page 19
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BoBoForce
Canada27 Posts
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kittensrcute
United States617 Posts
On November 21 2011 11:20 Asturas wrote: Congratulations for winning. But to be honest, I didn't like this finals. I just hate when in finals of big tournament winner always goes for one thing, one build It was painful to watch. Leenock deserved winning, he was the best but never again I want to see this style of playing. I will definitely avoid watching Leenock's games - at least those against P. Haha, what? Naniwa literally used the same opening (nexus first or forge fe) in all of his PvZ's this weekend. It's a greedy opener that reaps high rewards if it goes unpunished and Leenock was the only Zerg to consistently punish Naniwa's greedy play. As shown in his sets versus Nestea and DRG, Naniwa clearly knows how to control PvZ if he is able to get his natural up and running without a problem. Leenock's play was reactionary, and he needed to do damage to Naniwa when he was vulnerable during the opening stages of his nexus first play. If he didn't put early pressure on, then he might've fallen victim to Naniwa like the other top Korean Zergs. Overall, I was very impressed with Leenock's stamina and decision making in all matchups throughout the weekend. Congratulations on a well deserved victory, I was shouting for you the whole time haha! | ||
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heroofcanton
United States167 Posts
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mjava
Finland74 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:01 Noobity wrote: I've never seen so many people so remarkably united in admiration for someone else as I saw today. I'm hoarse from screaming his name and sore from each and every muscle tensing up. I got a great many pictures of the guy, and was lucky enough to stand behind him and watch him play one of his open bracket matches, but no signature. I don't regret it, because he inspired me to go out there and be one hell of a better zerg player. Congratulations, Leenock. We all look forward to even more great things from you in the future  Props to you and people like you there who recognized this and cheered for him hardcore. It made me feel great seeing that. Anyway...sign me up! | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:08 kittensrcute wrote: Haha, what? Naniwa literally used the same opening (nexus first or forge fe) in all of his PvZ's this weekend. It's a greedy opener that reaps high rewards if it goes unpunished and Leenock was the only Zerg to consistently punish Naniwa's greedy play. On the contrary, FFE is a very safe and standard opening PvZ. Many maps very specifically cater to the style by allowing your first cannon to defend nearly everything, and a very easy line of high-hp buildings to block for it. Yet, there are some maps that punish fast expansions by leaving the defender a wide area to defend. Xel'Naga Caverns is like this. To make a blanket statement that BOTH FFE & Nexus-first are greedy is false. Leenock's analysis of its strength on the maps he all-in'd successfully (Not all FFE are created equal, just like not all maps have same defender's advantage) was spot-on in its own right. Not the build order, not a sweeping generalization of greed, just Leenock. Leenock was excellent his execution of expo-kills/FE kills, which differentiated himself from other top Zergs. He concealed his play from Naniwa very well, and that is to his credit. He made me more of a fan today. The opener is designed to hold on just barely with excellent scouting, every time! He made very few mistakes in the execution of his opener to his midgame and endgame. That was what made the games fun to watch and a testament to Leenock's skill. | ||
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StimMarine
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37098 Posts
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ZergX
France436 Posts
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
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emjaytron
Australia544 Posts
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:37 emjaytron wrote: Does anyone else feel like Leenock won that tournament when he decided to rush early broodlords against MVP game one? I thought he was so dead in that game, and was feeling like MVP was just going to roll through everyone. Yea, MVP coulda just rolled him while he was getting broodlords. Lucky break for Leenock but luck's part of the game. | ||
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ParkwayDrive
United States328 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:37 emjaytron wrote: Does anyone else feel like Leenock won that tournament when he decided to rush early broodlords against MVP game one? I thought he was so dead in that game, and was feeling like MVP was just going to roll through everyone. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^ that whole series made me cream my pants | ||
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blazingblue16
Canada41 Posts
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Facedriller
Sweden275 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:26 Seeker wrote: OMFG SIGN ME UP PLEASE!!! THIS GUYS IS THE NEXT NESTEA Lol, calm down, he won 1 tournament. He's good, but, he's no Nestea yet. | ||
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BrassMonkey
Canada84 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:53 Facedriller wrote: Lol, calm down, he won 1 tournament. He's good, but, he's no Nestea yet. Pretty sure he 2-0'd MVP. Whens the last time Nestea did that? | ||
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phame21
Australia43 Posts
however leenock is legit he ripped through mma and mvp to get to finals and wont 2 BO3s that is really impressive. Also I felt leenock was off the chart when he still won against boxer after losing his expansion hatch and failed his baneling bust. | ||
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XuLLHuK
Russian Federation88 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:25 Danglars wrote: On the contrary, FFE is a very safe and standard opening PvZ. Many maps very specifically cater to the style by allowing your first cannon to defend nearly everything, and a very easy line of high-hp buildings to block for it. Yet, there are some maps that punish fast expansions by leaving the defender a wide area to defend. Xel'Naga Caverns is like this. To make a blanket statement that BOTH FFE & Nexus-first are greedy is false. Leenock's analysis of its strength on the maps he all-in'd successfully (Not all FFE are created equal, just like not all maps have same defender's advantage) was spot-on in its own right. Not the build order, not a sweeping generalization of greed, just Leenock. Leenock was excellent his execution of expo-kills/FE kills, which differentiated himself from other top Zergs. He concealed his play from Naniwa very well, and that is to his credit. He made me more of a fan today. The opener is designed to hold on just barely with excellent scouting, every time! He made very few mistakes in the execution of his opener to his midgame and endgame. That was what made the games fun to watch and a testament to Leenock's skill. That's all nice and good but it doesn't take anything away from the critiques of many regarding Naniwa's rigidity against Leenock. Naniwa wanted to cut corners and get to that juicy optimal 4 collosus push (I won't even blanket his play as 2base all in-oriented) rather than respond between games with adjustments to Leenocks reactive play. That sounds weird, because Leenock was reacting well to Naniwa, but what it means is that Naniwa should've completely adapted his play in response to Leenock pinning his opening strategy down Just because FFE/nexus in PvZ are generally nice builds does not justify using them exclusively in PvZ. What happens if your opponent knows your plan, and knows exactly how to crush it when he scouts it? You say each FFE isn't created equally according to maps -- I totally agree. I also think each player can execute variations on FFE where slight alterations might only be noticeable and readily exploitable by someone like Leenock (such as late cannon, cannon position, sentry count, etc). Well, ideally you adapt and open completely differently if it becomes apparent that your opening is being abused by a player who obviously has devised a prepared counter (after scout). Naniwa just seemed extremely rigid compared to someone like, say, Huk. You're right that he made few mistakes, but he was so repetitive that Leenock could predict how to exploit Naniwa's opening and pick it apart down to the point where mistakes are glaring (e.g.cannon placements during last game). Leenock would open intending to sling expand, then would scout Naniwa's identical FFE attempt to his other games with Leenock and other Z's, then would make the prepared decision to drop the roach warren and proceed with the counter play. Naniwa could've prevented that by not allowing Leenock to know his plan by not allowing himself to be so flatout predictable and rigid. | ||
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