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EonuS
Slovenia186 Posts
On September 28 2012 21:50 styLesdavis wrote: Did anyone watch those games against Sen? How did Stephano performed? Sen winning this was not expected.... sen is actually doing really well on korean ladder, last season he kept consistent top30 GM rank which is huge for korea he's not to be underestimated | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On September 28 2012 21:50 styLesdavis wrote: Did anyone watch those games against Sen? How did Stephano performed? Sen winning this was not expected.... People seem to have forgotten about Sen since he's not been to any tournaments for some time now but he's still beast and ZvZ can be a volatile matchup. | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On September 28 2012 07:40 KazmA wrote: He was the most skilled and arguably the most talented foreigner in BW (He still might be for Sc2) You're on some serious drug. Even on Idra's Fanclub, people don't say stuff like this haha | ||
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CptZouglou
France146 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On September 29 2012 02:33 Makro wrote: someone know here if stephano will participate to the ESWC ? Most likely. He is invited as the reigning champion. | ||
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LogicIsDead
Morocco13 Posts
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Maeh
France295 Posts
On September 29 2012 02:54 LogicIsDead wrote: Stephano said on Twitter that he won't attend to MLG Dallas because there is another tournament at the same time (november), any predictions ? ESWC in Paris, end of October. | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On September 28 2012 07:40 KazmA wrote: That is not true at all. Though good arguments can be made for stephano I would say that IdrA was more accomplished in his own way. He was the most skilled and arguably the most talented foreigner in BW (He still might be for Sc2) which is a harder game than sc2, and maintained a level that could compete with and challenge most koreans progamers. He was on his way to the CJ A team before sc2 came out so you could say that he wasnt even at his peak of potential then. Also for quite some time he was considered the best Sc2 player in the world (mostly during the beta and arguably even shortly after that). I suppose if you rule out BW than perhaps stephano takes the cake but even so valid points for IdrA being more "successful" can even be made for his Sc2 career. You could make arguments like this with a straight face about one year ago, but not now. Stephano is better than just about every Korean; he doesn't just challenge them. BW is not a "harder" game in the sense that it's easier to win in SC2 than it was in BW, which is of course nonsensical, since if it were easier to win in SC2 than in BW everyone would win, but winning is a zero sum game -- someone has to lose. BW is harder in the sense it's more difficult to move your units around and to make units. Who cares? Stephano by an objective measure (namely, Elo) has been #1 (of all players) for extended periods over the past year. His peak has been longer lived and higher than Idra's. I doubt that even Idra wouldn't dispute this. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On September 28 2012 07:40 KazmA wrote: That is not true at all. Though good arguments can be made for stephano I would say that IdrA was more accomplished in his own way. He was the most skilled and arguably the most talented foreigner in BW (He still might be for Sc2) which is a harder game than sc2, and maintained a level that could compete with and challenge most koreans progamers. He was on his way to the CJ A team before sc2 came out so you could say that he wasnt even at his peak of potential then. Also for quite some time he was considered the best Sc2 player in the world (mostly during the beta and arguably even shortly after that). I suppose if you rule out BW than perhaps stephano takes the cake but even so valid points for IdrA being more "successful" can even be made for his Sc2 career. Idra is and always was a joke. Of course he was the best foreigner in BW, he was the only one full pro, practicing in Korea for a few years. And even that 'best foreigner thing' wasn't convincing, he could lose a BO3 to at least a few people at any time. When SC2 came out, again, he was the guy with the good mechanics, and a desparate wish to finally be good, meaning he practiced a lot. However, his lack of talent showed pretty soon, when more of talented people showed up, and guys with good mechanics started switching over. | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:37 niteReloaded wrote: Idra is and always was a joke. Of course he was the best foreigner in BW, he was the only one full pro, practicing in Korea for a few years. And even that 'best foreigner thing' wasn't convincing, he could lose a BO3 to at least a few people at any time. When SC2 came out, again, he was the guy with the good mechanics, and a desparate wish to finally be good, meaning he practiced a lot. However, his lack of talent showed pretty soon, when more of talented people showed up, and guys with good mechanics started switching over. I'm pretty sure Grrr was the best foreigner in BW ^^ | ||
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Karalius
Lithuania271 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:37 niteReloaded wrote: Idra is and always was a joke. Of course he was the best foreigner in BW, he was the only one full pro, practicing in Korea for a few years. And even that 'best foreigner thing' wasn't convincing, he could lose a BO3 to at least a few people at any time. When SC2 came out, again, he was the guy with the good mechanics, and a desparate wish to finally be good, meaning he practiced a lot. However, his lack of talent showed pretty soon, when more of talented people showed up, and guys with good mechanics started switching over. You obviously forgot how many people tried to do what idra did. You also forgot how much he risked and sacrificed to take that shot. Direct your hate towards something else than writing these posts. Just makes you look bitter. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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CrypticPotato
Estonia26 Posts
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DanLee
Canada316 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:45 Lylat wrote: I'm pretty sure Grrr was the best foreigner in BW ^^ ? | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:38 Kenpark wrote: Where is he staying at the moment ? Still EG House ? I fear the us ladder will drag him down. He has to play guys like nerchio, vortix, sortof etc to improve his zvz. He's in Paris atm. All matches he played since WCS EU was played from Paris (except DH Valence ofc). According to his facebook, he can see Eiffel Tower in the place where he stands. | ||
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Nosforit
Canada260 Posts
On September 29 2012 03:45 Lylat wrote: I'm pretty sure Grrr was the best foreigner in BW ^^ That is actually quite a silly proposition. He may have had the most results, but saying that Grrr the best foreign BW player is like saying BoxeR was the best Korean BW player. Even BoxeR himself says that he was a better player in 2008 when he was mostly irrelevant in individual leagues, than he was when he was playing and winning OSLs and MSLs. Grrr is the most accomplished foreigner in BW. The best, all other things being equal, was IdrA, with maybe Nony as someone who could challenge him. Now, of course, its ludicrous to say IdrA is the best Foreigner. There are SEVERAL foreign born players who would almost undoubtedly be considered the favorite against him. Stephano, Naniwa, SaSe, Vortix, Lucifron, Nerchio, Mana, Sen, and many others would be considered upsets if Idra beat them at this point. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On September 29 2012 05:49 Agathon wrote: He's in Paris atm. All matches he played since WCS EU was played from Paris (except DH Valence ofc). According to his facebook, he can see Eiffel Tower in the place where he stands. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3RBWq0CAAEXPKD.jpg:large) | ||
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Afghanistan40 Posts
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